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Post by BVM on Nov 9, 2024 10:12:08 GMT
These are beautiful words BVM - a really great summary. Ahhh thanks :-) Dunno if many people will agree but one of my passions in the modern world as that we do need to try and take the heat out of things in a world where things escalate so so fast! |
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Post by kyvai on Nov 9, 2024 10:32:01 GMT
Well her apology statement had gone down like a cup of cold sick on the Broadway Reddit sub at least, I expect BWW is similar? There is no forgiveness as she hasn’t explicitly denied voting for Trump.
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Post by interval99 on Nov 9, 2024 10:55:57 GMT
Wow in this century in the apparent free world a woman needs to seek forgiveness for having her own choices and decisions on what to wear.
We will be able to see if the box office revenue collapses but I hope most people will continue to see a highly praised show and performances.
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Post by ntherooh on Nov 9, 2024 11:08:53 GMT
This is scary to see.
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Post by danb on Nov 9, 2024 11:12:54 GMT
Didn’t want to fill up a page with quoting you @bvm, but just yes to everything you say. You can hold beliefs and still be inclusive of others. She seems a very mindful person, but maybe not particularly switched on to the outside world. I’m not excusing it and her team need to have a word but when others spew so much hatred into the world this is small potatoes (probably tinned!). Edit: and the last thing that the world needs is MJT’s skewed hot take on it all.
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Post by matthew90 on Nov 9, 2024 11:26:39 GMT
It actually really saddened me yesterday seeing the amount of abuse she was receiving on social media. People even celebrities horrifically targeting her race, sex, career prospects etc. All because she may not perfectly align with them. And all coming from people who say they represent me and others as part of the theatre, gay/queer and Liberal community. If this leads to the tanking of a great piece of theatre and art, that is actually quite a chilling terrifying prospect for the world we now live in.
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Post by chernjam on Nov 9, 2024 17:57:33 GMT
The viciousness of a select number of unstable people on reddit and BWW and Twitter who in a few days will find the next thing to be pissed off about - they need to be ignored. I just looked and the show looks sold out for the weekend.
People need to get a grip - or a handful of Xanax
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Post by danb on Nov 9, 2024 23:04:16 GMT
She’s devastated.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Nov 9, 2024 23:57:01 GMT
About losing that Tony already? |
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Post by amyja89 on Nov 9, 2024 23:59:54 GMT
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Post by showtoones on Nov 10, 2024 1:31:54 GMT
Give it a few days…and people will be onto the next thing.
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Post by David J on Nov 10, 2024 2:24:17 GMT
And my God if there is one thing the current fractious political environment shows us, it's that we need to engage, we need to try and understand. Nightmarish though that may seem. I can't STAND Trump. He is odious as a person and I think very dangerous globally politically. But more than 50% of the world's biggest country democratically voted for him. So it's almost our duty to try and understand why. And to try, bleak though it may feel, to bring groups together. Otherwise things gets worse. It pains me, but that's the way I see it. Hate only ever breeds more hate. There is also that deeply grim thought that at the very back of the circle the extreme far left do kind of meet the far right. Just screaming at each other. It's not a thought I like or really want to believe to be honest. But it's a hypothesis that has enough in it to make me ponder. The whole debacle also exposes the joy people take in a social media witch-hunt. I mean, it really was. Did some people genuinely feel threatened by her? Maybe, I dunno, am not American. Were most people having a lot of fun with a social media pile on. That's how it looked like to me. Don't blame the individuals. Social media has made us all like this to an extent. I probs fail as many do, but I do try hard to be aware of it. Also, back in the day - nobody knew what actors views were. Some of the stars I watched in the 80's and 90's I'd have no idea if that had awful views about anything. They were just actors on the stage. I kinda liked the degree of separation and the mythical feel to it all. Everything is just a bit grottier now. I hope that's the end of the issue - though no doubt will rumble on for a bit. Honestly couldn't care less if she gets a Tony though my own position is politics has no place in awards. I have no beef in the game though. I generally have minimal interest in award ceremonies. BVM, you perfectly sum up what it's been like for the last 8 years, and this is partly why Donald Trump won again. There's been countless incidents like this where people have been censored, harassed, fired from jobs and socially excluded because they expressed an opinion on something. I don't say the right never does things like this, but it tends to come from the liberal and left side, driven by social media, mainstream media, celebrities and politicians. And the silent majority have taken notice. 8 years of this has driven people to Donald Trump. Any attempts to debate is brushed aside by democrats who'd rather call names rather than listen. One time we'd say 'oh well, we'll try and understand why our opponents won and do better next time" but not nowadays. The vocal left and liberals scream and people move to the right and dig in their heels because they can't try and reason with them. There's a lot of people who could do with looking in the mirror quite frankly. And I'm hoping this doesn't tarnish Nicole either. I can't speak for Broadway but I'm hearing a lot of companies are not putting up with this drama anymore. It looses them money in the end. Look at the Gina Carano situation, who is looking to sue Disney for the sh*t she went through in the past few years. This video doesn't cover this particular issue, but says a lot about about this kind of nonsense. |
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Post by carmella1 on Nov 10, 2024 7:43:42 GMT
People coming to New York for the holiday season could give 2 peppermint sticks about who she likes or does not.
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Post by max on Nov 10, 2024 8:21:46 GMT
It's all a bit meta, isn't it. One of the problems with all this has been that though she may appear to waft ethereally above reality and us mere mortals, both the role she's playing and the political events are so close to her reality. As in 'Sunset Boulevard' there's only so long that Max can manufacture fan letters to protect Norma from reality.
Nicole Scherzinger's father is Filipino - there are 300,000 undocumented Filipinos in the USA who stand to be rounded up by the police in what Trump said in his September Wisconsin rally would be "a bloody story".
Nicole Scherzinger's mother is mixed heritage Ukrainian. Trump promised his voters he could end the war in 24hrs [how, without Ukraine surrender and Putin given a green light for Finland?]; and his Vice President said "I gotta be honest with you, I don't really care what happens to Ukraine one way or another."
A big chunk of her loudest career support is from LGBTQ people.
She's in a production which directly associates her with 'Norma'; 'Norma' is an avatar for her own life experiences - or at least her self-mythologised version of it, because...
When she talks about women of her age and talent being cruelly overlooked in the industry we nod in agreement, remembering some vague story about her being vetoed for a previous Broadway role. Except that the person who vetoed her Broadway debut 8 years ago was...Nicole Scherzinger, who preferred to be a judge on 'The X Factor' instead.
Jamie Lloyd's whole production is a dalliance between a show and its star ('Pussycat Dolls' logo on view in the dressing room at the top of Act 2). It's hard to dance with reality and not get 'involved'.
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Post by andypandy on Nov 10, 2024 10:32:37 GMT
This is beyond childish and ridiculous. She commented on a hat that said "Make Jesus First Again." and now are scouring the internet for any post she might have liked and going "SEE - SEE." Sorry - not sorry... if she "loses" a Tony over this, F- the Tony's. And F - Broadway too. "No wonder we can't have nice things." I COMPLETELY agree with this. There is so much hypocrisy and many double standards with fans and professionals in the theatre community. They cancel Russia then don't dare to cancel Israel who have killed over 15,000 kids, they put up flags of Palestine and Ukraine and don't even care to mention the 300.000 people killed in Yemen last year. The left wing woke mantra is obsessed with racial equality while rarely casting Asians or south east Asians in lead roles, every single LGBTQI+ role in musicals I've seen are stereotypically camp (and actually offensive) and DARE SOMEONE have an alternate political opinion. Ironically though Trump is a total clown - his foreign polices are about making deals not wars. To cancel Nicole for a few unrelated words and to say she will no longer be nominated for a Tony (or win it) really shows a dark side of Broadway. Back to Sunset - I hope she wins the Tony and says shes proud to support Trump in her acceptance speech! HA! |
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Post by nash16 on Nov 10, 2024 12:45:26 GMT
It actually really saddened me yesterday seeing the amount of abuse she was receiving on social media. People even celebrities horrifically targeting her race, sex, career prospects etc. All because she may not perfectly align with them. And all coming from people who say they represent me and others as part of the theatre, gay/queer and Liberal community. If this leads to the tanking of a great piece of theatre and art, that is actually quite a chilling terrifying prospect for the world we now live in. You might want to check the policies and past/pending criminal trials of those Nicole interacted with, both directly, and indirectly, with her post, and see how they, too, “may not perfectly align” with the community you feel wronged by. |
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Post by matthew90 on Nov 10, 2024 14:00:51 GMT
It actually really saddened me yesterday seeing the amount of abuse she was receiving on social media. People even celebrities horrifically targeting her race, sex, career prospects etc. All because she may not perfectly align with them. And all coming from people who say they represent me and others as part of the theatre, gay/queer and Liberal community. If this leads to the tanking of a great piece of theatre and art, that is actually quite a chilling terrifying prospect for the world we now live in. You might want to check the policies and past/pending criminal trials of those Nicole interacted with, both directly, and indirectly, with her post, and see how they, too, “may not perfectly align” with the community you feel wronged by. Thanks for taking the time to reply. If you are referring to the ongoing CPS review in the UK and the active and completed court proceedings in various US states. Of course I am aware and of course they do not personally align with my own value system. However my point is that even if she has knowingly (which is very unlikely) shown direct support for Republican party that does not give people a right to agressively attack her race, sex, religious views, career and de facto cancel her. To clarify as well I did not say the various communities had let me down, but that individuals claiming to represent them did by acting in such a way. Open discourse and discussion is what resolves differences and is fundamental to democracy, cancelling and personal attacks leads to polarisation. Even when they may not afford you the same. Theatre and the arts should be open to all. |
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Post by mrbarnaby on Nov 11, 2024 6:27:21 GMT
It actually really saddened me yesterday seeing the amount of abuse she was receiving on social media. People even celebrities horrifically targeting her race, sex, career prospects etc. All because she may not perfectly align with them. And all coming from people who say they represent me and others as part of the theatre, gay/queer and Liberal community. If this leads to the tanking of a great piece of theatre and art, that is actually quite a chilling terrifying prospect for the world we now live in. She should not be getting abuse for this… instead people should just take away the thing she craves the most. Attention. Unfollow her, swap tickets for a Mandy night. She will struggle to maintain a profile after this debacle. Quite an achievement. |
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Post by distantcousin on Nov 11, 2024 9:42:38 GMT
People are not their art. If they were I wouldn’t be able to sit through another LW show ever again. Exactly, the Broadway group-think seems unwilling and unable to separate art from the artist. Though there doesn't seem to be such issues when it comes to Michael Jackson/MJ the musical. |
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Post by chernjam on Nov 12, 2024 0:03:26 GMT
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Post by kyvai on Nov 19, 2024 20:11:21 GMT
Mickey Jo has put out his inevitable video on the topic today - it is refreshingly balanced
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