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Post by stagebyte on Jun 26, 2017 7:47:59 GMT
Passing by the Savoy after Dreamgirls and hearing a fair few people loudly complaining because the actors coming out weren't Amber in full earshot of the actors coming through. I'm sure half the time the actors are probably grateful to just get home but even just passing by I thought it was so disrespectful. The sighs and withdrawals of programmes and pens. I know Carrie Hope Fletcher periodically has a gripe about behaviour of 'fans' at stage door who expect full on meet and greets after each show The popularity of shows like Hamilton and DEH over the pond has also seen increasing crowds and stage door bunfights to get signatures with crowds spilling onto roads. Will the increase in 'bad behaviour' (for want of better words) eventually spell the end of stage door? Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 7:50:47 GMT
I doubt it'll spell the end of it because for some theatres it must be by far the easiest way out for the cast. Plus there is a certain publicity element to it as well, some people must like getting a reputation as being good at signing autographs at the stage door as it helps their reputation with fans. That said though, far too many people seem to think they're entitled to meet the stars and don't seem to appreciate that their job ends when they walk off stage.
At the Wyndham's they have signs up stating that Audra McDonald won't be signing after matinees. I expect we might start seeing more signs like that going up. More barriers too creating formal lines like they do in New York, though they've been around for years at the Apollo Victoria anyway.
You'll never be able to completely legislate for people being rude and acting entitled though, unfortunately.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 7:56:57 GMT
Related/unrelated via a NY friend, someone at the Anastasia stage door shouted at Ramin "I have Daddy issues will you be my Daddy" at the weekend...I mean to quote Joey from Friends "the line is a dot to you"
Although it's always been a nightmare/fans have always been a bit 'special' (I was there for the Hugh Jackman Boy From Oz experience oy) I DO think the crossover between fans used to a different type of experience at conventions and whatnot don't quite get the stage door etiquette. Which is why although Carrie bugs me sometimes I do appreciate her talking about it because some of her fans simply don't know- they're used to youtuber conventions and events where it's a 'meet and greet' situation, and this world is a bit alien to them. Same problem I think may happen with Hamilton's crossover appeal- a lot of youngsters who don't know the drill coming in.
When it's youngsters- or not so youngsters who just don't know how it works I'm inclined to have patience but actually most of the problems end up being those who are just well...cockwombles.
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Post by TallPaul on Jun 26, 2017 13:14:58 GMT
When Don Juan in Soho was recently at the Wyndham, there was a notice by the stage door advising that the cast would only be signing show related merchandise, or, in other words, David Tennant would NOT be signing anything related to Doctor Who.
When, unusually for me, I asked Lucie Jones for her autograph after Rent, she was an absolute sweetheart, even taking it upon herself to procure an alternative pen when my own proved rather inadequate.
Be nice to people on your way up, and all that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 13:32:25 GMT
I did hear lovely things about the Rent cast, which is always lovely.
Despite the furore mentioned above Hugh Jackman was the loveliest man imaginable as well, despite it being the height of Wolverine madness back then.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 13:32:45 GMT
I don't think the issue with Hamilton's stage door was so much overzealous teens as it was autograph sellers and people that hadn't seen the show. The first time I went (August 2015) the stage door was super relaxed and almost the entire cast came out, with Lin spending more time than anyone. The second time (June 2016) by the time I left the theatre the stage door was already 5 rows deep full of people that hadn't seen it and anyone that had couldn't get a look in. By that time the cast had pretty much stopped coming out altogether anyway.
I haven't experienced Dear Evan Hansen's stage door personally, as I'm not particularly interested in the cast but from what I hear it's turned into an absolute mess. That doesn't surprise me as that show is pretty much solely aimed at a young fanbase.
I did do the Anastasia stage door a few weeks ago and it was fine, very calm and friendly. However, I saw a video a few days ago of a teenage girl meeting Derek Klena and telling him that he was a 'beautiful wax man' because apparently there's some kind of inside joke in the Broadway fanbase of him looking like a wax figure. He just laughed uncomfortably. I know this girl was young, but I can't quite figure out how she thought it would be in any way appropriate to say that to his face.
I think one thing to focus on would be trying to find a way to ensure only people that had seen the show that night were waiting at the stage door. This would stop crowds from getting ridiculous at least. I don't know how they'd do it however as a lot of the Broadway theatres give Playbills out for free at the box office if you ask.
In terms of what is said/done to the actors, that would have to be dealt by on a case by case basis. At this point, I would rather someone like Ben Platt stop coming out altogether because it seems like he just gets hounded and I can't imagine he finds it enjoyable.
I don't think it will ever stop though. It's really only a few stage doors that get difficult to deal with, most of them are fine.
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Post by TallPaul on Jun 26, 2017 13:37:47 GMT
I haven't experienced Dear Evan Hansen's stage door personally, as I'm not particularly interested in the cast but from what I hear it's turned into an absolute mess. Go on @ryan, you know you want to!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 13:38:20 GMT
Talking of Dr Whos Matt Smith was polite but firm with the autograph hunters at the Royal Court just saying 'Not tonight lads' and turning away from them to sign things for the others. A lot of Who merchandise on show, but mostly seemed from genuine fans.
Broadway has always been one step ahead in the stage door 'culture' so it's not surprising the shows aimed at younger types are also getting insane. Did anyone see the pictures from Kinky Boots the day Brendan whatshisname took over? crazy.
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Post by Kim_Bahorel on Jun 26, 2017 15:34:44 GMT
James McAvoy was like that he would only sign one/two things for dealers but would sign anything fans (although it was mostly programmes and tickets). He also knows how to organise the crowd. Didn't have any security with him at stage door. Although it was slightly awkard him telling the crowd to move to the side stay away from the door to let people leave. I'm thinking to myself 'Yeah but I want to ask the other actors to sign my programme too' Then me having to stand really awkwardly out of the crowd in the middle of the road.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 15:44:46 GMT
I stage-doored the tour of Annie because my mother was particularly keen to do so, and they had some fairly decent crowd organisation. No barriers or anything, but Craig Revel Horwood fans were instructed to decide whether they wanted a photo or an autograph and go to the appropriate side of the space, which not only sorted most of the crowd, but left the middle reasonably clear for other cast members to leave/be approached as appropriate. Alas many stage doors wouldn't have the space for that, but organisation really is a good thing when it happens. I'll never forget trying to leave the Piccadilly theatre having just seen Guys And Dolls with Patrick Swayze, only to find the entire road blocked by people trying to swarm in the direction of the stage door. Not even the Hamilton crowds I've seen could hope to complete with *that* chaos.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 26, 2017 15:54:18 GMT
I find the whole idea of over-zealous "stagedooring" a bit creepy, mainly since I found out (from this forum) about the Billy Elliott thing. Carrie's stern "it's never ok to touch" creeped me out too
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Post by Kim_Bahorel on Jun 26, 2017 16:12:07 GMT
I'm interested to reading the comments on this topic. I end up at stage doors after shows all the time. Although I have only been going to theatre for only a few years. I used do the equivalent going to see bands (bands I mean metal bands).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 20:35:04 GMT
I go to a lot of shows ( around one a week on average) and I've always been a big autograph and memorabilia collector. So I'm fairly used to the big crowds especially in London. Often this was when there was a big name in the cast and more casual fans go to the stage door as well as autograph dealers. There have been dealers around for years but since the advent of E-Bay there are more and I know that dealers will have people working for them and rotate them around London theatres.
Often the more knowledgeable dealers will do TV Studios, hotels, airports etc when stars are on promotional tours etc. Again with Social Media if a star tweets they may be flying into London then they can be greeted by fans and dealers who have sussed out flight times.
The show fanatics/ fangirls are perhaps a newer fad but some stars especially in Musicals have always had a big fanbase and can expect a crowded stage door.
Shows like Rocky Horror which have a hardcare fanbase will always have loads of blokes in suspenders etc at SDs after weekend evening shows. The cast often get to know these fans and they will always chat to each other.
The signing of programmes/tickets only have been going on for several years. Often these stars may do Conventions so won't sign related memorabilia for free. Also the numbers would get crazy, I've seen footage of Don Juan stage door and it looks 100 strong, if DT was signing Broadchurch/Who stuff you'd be talking several hundred.
I can understand Carrie being upset about people invading her personal space without asking. I've met her a couple of times and if people ask for a photo, she has no problem with someone putting an arm around her and when asked for a hug she often obliges her fans, it's just people lunging at her when she is unprepared she doesn't like.
Also when waiting for a big name especially if they may emerge from behind a solid door with no clue as to who it may be, I think it is very disrespectful to be dismissive of other cast members.
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Post by skullion on Jun 26, 2017 20:46:02 GMT
I've not done a lot of this sort of thing but it struck me at Wyndham's after No Man's Lans how well organised the whole thing was, barriers, clear written and verbal instructions about what would and wouldn't be signed and about the taking of photos. Even though there were a lot of people there, it did seem everyone went along with the spirit of the thing which made for a pretty good experience.
Similarly, I also found after Nice Fish, the ones who seemed to be dealers or general collectors and seemed less likely to have been to see the play, did hang back tomlet those of us who had been get things signed first. Whether that was experience of jostling getting them nowhere I don't know but it did strike me as a decent way to behave.
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Post by Dawnstar on Jun 26, 2017 22:54:51 GMT
Often the more knowledgeable dealers will do TV Studios, hotels, airports etc when stars are on promotional tours etc. Again with Social Media if a star tweets they may be flying into London then they can be greeted by fans and dealers who have sussed out flight times. People go to an airport to see an actor getting off a plane & try to get their autograph? If so then that is more disturbing/stalkerish than most stage door behaviour, in my opinion.
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Post by rockinrobin on Jun 26, 2017 23:29:20 GMT
I agree, skullion - the stage door queue after "No Man's Land" show was just perfect. I don't usually take autographs/selfies (I prefer a brief chat about the play et cetera if, of course, the actor doesn't mind - but usually they're quite happy to do that, which is nice) but I simply HAD TO on that occasion. I'm not sure if a very nice guy who helped me get my autographs by giving me his place in the queue reads this forum but if you are here - thank you. It's still nice to know you got your poster signed as well! That said, the stage door mayhem after "Don Juan in Soho" was beyond my imagination. On a side note, though - after the show I saw some girls at the stage door who were crying hysterically... I confess, I found their behaviour rather appalling but minutes later I got to know they had flown all the way from Argentina hoping to meet their idol and he left very quickly. Of course, it happens. You can't expect that an actor will always have time and energy to meet the audience after the show. But - I really felt sorry for these young girls, choking with tears of disappointment.
(PS, apologies for the slight off-topic, but the gentleman who manages the stage door at the Wyndham's is very handsome and charming.)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 1:08:08 GMT
Often the more knowledgeable dealers will do TV Studios, hotels, airports etc when stars are on promotional tours etc. Again with Social Media if a star tweets they may be flying into London then they can be greeted by fans and dealers who have sussed out flight times. People go to an airport to see an actor getting off a plane & try to get their autograph? If so then that is more disturbing/stalkerish than most stage door behaviour, in my opinion. Fans and photographers have been at airports for years, remember when the Beatles and co used to fly in. Believe me some is tip offs from a star's publicist. It all depends on airport layout as some have first class lounges that big names can leave by without being seen. The airport stakeouts are more for big Hollywood names, rock bands, football teams etc.
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Post by mistressjojo on Jun 27, 2017 2:34:07 GMT
I agree, skullion - the stage door queue after "No Man's Land" show was just perfect. I don't usually take autographs/selfies (I prefer a brief chat about the play et cetera if, of course, the actor doesn't mind - but usually they're quite happy to do that, which is nice) but I simply HAD TO on that occasion. I'm not sure if a very nice guy who helped me get my autographs by giving me his place in the queue reads this forum but if you are here - thank you. It's still nice to know you got your poster signed as well! That said, the stage door mayhem after "Don Juan in Soho" was beyond my imagination. On a side note, though - after the show I saw some girls at the stage door who were crying hysterically... I confess, I found their behaviour rather appalling but minutes later I got to know they had flown all the way from Argentina hoping to meet their idol and he left very quickly. Of course, it happens. You can't expect that an actor will always have time and energy to meet the audience after the show. But - I really felt sorry for these young girls, choking with tears of disappointment. (PS, apologies for the slight off-topic, but the gentleman who manages the stage door at the Wyndham's is very handsome and charming.)
The ' stage door mayhem after "Don Juan in Soho' was actually fairly tame compared to that of Mr T's 'Much Ado' - most nights the crowds for that completely blocked the alley.I had a young lad actually climb over me like it was a rugby scrum to get to the front one night! To be fair, for David Tennant you are always told before he comes out that only those people at the very front of the barricade will get an autograph/photo. You are also told what he will & won't sign - and credit to him he sticks to that. He also knows the ebayers and politely says no & moves on.
And the stage door manager at Wyndham's is the lovely Steve. When it was David T's birthday he handed out party poppers and had us surprise him with a rousing- if not tuneful - 'Happy Birthday' on his appearance.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Jun 27, 2017 10:26:10 GMT
Tennant was in a film my best friend directed recently and the fan stalking was out of control. Some fans had literally quit their jobs to be full-time fans and follow him around and document everything he does online. I swear his best acting work is pretending he doesn't hate them (the stalker fans, not regular fans).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 10:27:01 GMT
The airport thing also has culturally specific elements-in Japan and Korea particularly it's an expression of fandom/love for an actor/band and is pretty much expected. (A friend of mine has done a bit of research on it so I have a fairly nerdy knowledge of it!)
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Post by Tibidabo on Jun 27, 2017 14:15:10 GMT
Best story ever was Rex Harrison walking down the Strand with a friend after "My Fair Lady," and is asked for an autograph. He refuses, and the fan strikes him in frustration. He friend quipped that it was the "first time ever that the fan hit the s*it."And that's the one I wish I'd thought of! Brilliant! Rex Harrison was supposed to be extremely difficult from what I've read. I will admit to seeing him as an extremely ageing Higgins (with Dame Anna Neagle as his mother) at the Wolverhampton Grand a lifetime ago. He was outstanding. Of course he was!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 0:54:19 GMT
Saw Penn and Teller once, they always do a big meet and greet after their shows. The funny thing was Teller chats to fans yet on stage or any interview he is totally mute. I bet a few interviewers would find it strange he is so chatty away from the camera. I was quite shocked when I heard him talking.
I like the idea of signs up if a star isn't going to come out after a matinee, it lets people know and stops them needlessly waiting around, wasting their own time and being in the way. I've known theatres where a star may have left by another way and nothing is said and often younger fans may be waiting after the show. I prefer it when Company Manager just comes out and says if the star has left or will be coming out, it may upset people if said star won't be signing doing photos but no-one is ever obliged to and at least people will know.
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