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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 3, 2017 9:07:23 GMT
I was in the Sainsbury's across from The Palace Manchester on Friday night and recognised a group of actors from the cast buying snacks, having seen the show earlier in the week.
Tiny.
Why are actors generally so small? I know body shape/type will influence casting decisions but do casting directors seek uniformly shorter actors? Can tall people with ambitions to get into stage acting basically forget it because they would look completely out of place unless playing "tall" parts like Lurch in Addams Family? I mean I would personally be fabulous on stage because I can sing a bit, acting isnt exactly hard is it? And I played the clarinet for a year when I was10 - so I'm your classic triple-threat right? But at 6'2" and in the large side I can't really see myself lumbering around the stage with that lot from The Committments. I'd look ridic.
We know showbiz is sizeist, is it also heightist?
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Post by Tibidabo on Apr 3, 2017 9:12:09 GMT
Oi! Leave us midgelings alone! There's not much advantage to being vertically challenged, so if it means we get the pick of the acting parts that's just fine by me. (Interesting observation however. What snacks were they buying? Dessicated lettuce?)
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 3, 2017 9:16:19 GMT
sausage rolls, crisps, onion bhajis and a trifle.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 9:21:54 GMT
I seem to remember reading years ago that full-on trained dancers won't develop physically as fully as people who have not trained as dancers. I imagine being fairly small has a serious advantage when it comes to being thrown around by other dancers. I expect dancing constantly helps keep one's physique fairly slender. And when cast change comes around, you do want to try getting people who will already fit the costumes (particularly for smaller roles), so if you've established a precedent for smaller performers, that's just going to self-perpetuate.
Also casting directors can get a bit weird - if they're casting a mother and a teenager, they often seem to cast the teenager shorter even though I started towering over my mother at the age of 13. If you're an unusual height, casting directors just may find it harder to place you so you're not going to be as employed as much as people who fit the casting directors' ideas of "standard".
I wonder as well if there's something a lot deeper. Maybe a tall child will find themselves outstripping their classmates at sport due to their size advantage (for instance), while a small child will find people actually pay attention to them if they're standing on a stage and shouting. A tall person only needs to walk down a supermarket aisle to find validation ("why of course I'll get that bottle off the top shelf for you, madam") whereas for a shorter person only the roar of the crowd will do. Massively over-simplified but I do wonder if there are any studies into it.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 3, 2017 9:29:35 GMT
I wonder as well if there's something a lot deeper. Maybe a tall child will find themselves outstripping their classmates at sport due to their size advantage (for instance), while a small child will find people actually pay attention to them if they're standing on a stage and shouting. [ I've often thought that this is the case because performers are so often smaller than average. There's got to be something going on.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 9:34:51 GMT
It's also the case that if you're not the 'traditional' dancer shape you won't be 'encouraged' as much in the early years, because dance training has fairly set in stone views on what a dancer looks like. For good reason in some respects- it takes a certain body type to do certain disciplines to the highest standards. So I think the 'dancer dancers' of shows are of that shape/size simply because there are certain body types that lend themselves to particular skills (in the same way rugby players are a different size and shape to footballers for example)
In roles that are more 'actor who also dances' I think we see a bit more body type variety and there's a few tall girl actresses out there.
As an aside there's a chorus member in Evita on tour who is VERY tall, so tall in fact his trousers all look like they've been cropped.
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Post by viserys on Apr 3, 2017 9:48:45 GMT
Interesting subject. Michaela DePrince writes in her biography that she was initially discouraged from doing classical ballet in the USA and told that "black girls have the wrong body type for this kind of dancing" - she proved them wrong, but there seems to be some set-in-stone thinking going on.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 9:56:56 GMT
I think part of it may be related to area and volume. The strength of a muscle depends on its cross-sectional area while the mass it's trying to move depends on the volume of the body part it's attached to, and volume reduces faster than area as you scale something down. Smaller people have an advantage when it comes to rapid changes in movement. It's not a huge advantage because humans don't vary wildly in size, but it's there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 9:59:15 GMT
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 3, 2017 10:02:10 GMT
I couldn't resist the thread title but I'm interested in acting in general, not just dancers. Performers in general actually. Madame Tussaud's is always an eye opener. Tiny!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 10:05:02 GMT
I always find it fascinating when an actor is untruthful about their height on their CV. It's an industry where a lot of you aren't very tall, is pretending another inch or two really going to benefit you that mightily? Particularly if our perception that smaller performers are somewhat preferred is true? Especially as presumably you'll meet the casting folk sooner or later and they'll realise just how much you exaggerated?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 10:22:12 GMT
Related/unrelated I did find the removal of Polonius in Andrew Scott's Hamlet both worrying and amusing given their relative sizes...
A non- theatre one but as a fan of Supernatural and Gilmore Girls the giant that is Jared Padelecki is always amusing/deceiving in the height front- he makes his on screen brother Jensen Ackles look tiny, when in fact he's a none too short 6ft!
And yes, why lie on a CV? unless you're going for radio jobs someone is going to notice fairly quickly...
Also guys on dating sites have an unhealthy obsession with telling you how tall they are because apparently women ask? I remember in school as well girls saying they couldn't possibly date a shorter man...why? what difference does it make? surely not being a dick and generally getting on is more important than being under 6ft? People confuse me...
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 3, 2017 10:27:47 GMT
^^^ that episode of Modern Family where Mitchell meets his highschool girlfriend who is married to a man of "short stature"
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Post by kathryn on Apr 3, 2017 14:04:42 GMT
Related/unrelated I did find the removal of Polonius in Andrew Scott's Hamlet both worrying and amusing given their relative sizes... A non- theatre one but as a fan of Supernatural and Gilmore Girls the giant that is Jared Padelecki is always amusing/deceiving in the height front- he makes his on screen brother Jensen Ackles look tiny, when in fact he's a none too short 6ft! And yes, why lie on a CV? unless you're going for radio jobs someone is going to notice fairly quickly... Also guys on dating sites have an unhealthy obsession with telling you how tall they are because apparently women ask? I remember in school as well girls saying they couldn't possibly date a shorter man...why? what difference does it make? surely not being a dick and generally getting on is more important than being under 6ft? People confuse me... I swear it's a perceived dominance thing. Lots of men seem to be insecure about a woman being taller than them, and to believe that women don't like short men. Height is taken as a measure of masculinity, so short men are seen an unmasculine and tall women as unfeminine. It's bloody ridiculous, but on average men are taller than women so I guess it's one of those things that's ingrained in a lot of people's psyches. As for tall actors, I give you the curious case of Tom Hiddleston - who is 6'2" or thereabouts but for some reason people tend to think of as shorter. I think it's at least partly because he's spent a lot of time standing next to 6'4" of Chris Hemsworth, but the same people tend to think he's not very masculine, and I swear the perceptions are connected. Journalists regularly express surprise that he is so tall when they meet him. Of course most of the Marvel actors are tall - Chris Evans in over 6 foot and so is Chris Pratt - apart from Robert Downey Jr, who reportedly wears lifts in his shoes so he doesn't look (so much) like a midget next to them. You wouldn't think that an inch or two would make much of a difference, but it does seem to. Gwen Christie was actively told that she was too tall to be a successful actress at drama school.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 14:08:33 GMT
I swear it's a perceived dominance thing. Lots of men seem to be insecure about a woman being taller than them, and to believe that women don't like short men. Height is taken as a measure of masculinity, so short men are seen an unmasculine and tall women as unfeminine. Oh indeed! I possibly don't think it's strange because my Mum is around 5'9" whereas my Dad was 5'6" on a good day...people used to tell me I was going to grow up tall but alas I inherited the short with dumpy legs genes...
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Post by Jon on Apr 3, 2017 14:34:12 GMT
Being short hasn't affected Tom Cruise's career but I wouldn't be surprised if like Robert Downey Jr, he wears flats so he doesn't look short
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 18:43:21 GMT
Stephen Fry is massive, six four or so, similarly standing next to Jeff Goldblum made me feel small (he's about the same).
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 3, 2017 20:08:54 GMT
It always amazes me how my favourite singing ladies are all miniature. Linzi Hateley, VHB, Victoria Serra, EP, Kerry Ellis... ... guess they learned to be loud to be heard... Madonna. Tiny.
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Post by kathryn on Apr 3, 2017 20:38:50 GMT
It always amazes me how my favourite singing ladies are all miniature. Linzi Hateley, VHB, Victoria Serra, EP, Kerry Ellis... ... guess they learned to be loud to be heard... I was at university with a guy who was very short - under five feet - and he had the loudest speaking voice you've ever heard. Really big personality, too. Always thought he was compensating.
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Post by mistressjojo on Apr 4, 2017 2:46:37 GMT
Richard Armitage 6'2.5" Rupert Everett 6'4" David Tennant 6'1.5" John Barrowman 6' Tom Hiddleston 6'2" Damian Lewis 6'1" Timothy Dalton 6"2' Anthony Head 6'1"
Just a few tallish fellows for you...
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