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Post by fiyerorocher on Oct 2, 2024 9:07:03 GMT
This is an excellent show with an extremely talented original cast. It's also a very British show that plays best in smaller venues (imo the Fortune is pushing it a little when it comes to auditorium size). I've honestly got no idea how Broadway will respond to it. Does it have a chance? Maybe. Would I personally risk millions of pounds on it? Not in this lifetime. I wish them well but I'm cautious about the entire thing.
I do wish people on social media would stop treating a transfer to Broadway as the ultimate mark of success, though. It is not only now that the show has 'made it'. They're on the West End and they won the Best New Musical Olivier - they have already made it! The Americans don't consider a show unproven until it has our mark of approval, so why on earth would we wait for theirs? If we want to support new British musicals then we also have to own the fact that our theatre scene is just as good (if not better, but I'm biased) than Broadway and that a show playing here is worth just as much in terms of recognition and a mark of success.
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Post by critchyboy on Oct 2, 2024 9:44:40 GMT
Saw this yesterday afternoon - sat in the second row of the stalls and found myself under the torchlights of the Nazis!
I’d hesitated seeing this one cause I didn’t know much about it, I’d not really heard much of the music and I’m not really into the fuss about a show..!
However, I thought it was an excellent piece - funny, moving, heartbreaking (Hester ❤️) and thoroughly enjoyable.
Will nip to see it again though from the dress circle to get a better overview of all the bits and bob’s of set that are rolled on and off.
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Post by angelcake on Oct 2, 2024 10:28:12 GMT
Agree with others that Claire-Marie Hall as Jean was the strongest vocally of the OG cast - or perhaps joint strongest with Jak Malone as Hester. “Useful” was one of my favourite songs.
Based on their previous comms though I think Claire might be the only member of the cast who definitely won’t be going to Broadway.
I’m not sure whether or not it will work on Broadway but I hope it does!
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Post by fiyerorocher on Oct 2, 2024 10:37:00 GMT
I think we'll be replacing Jean in London... (possibly temporarily, it might be that they pop Claire back in after her Broadway run)
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Post by Paulw on Oct 2, 2024 10:48:13 GMT
This is an excellent show with an extremely talented original cast. It's also a very British show that plays best in smaller venues (imo the Fortune is pushing it a little when it comes to auditorium size). I've honestly got no idea how Broadway will respond to it. Does it have a chance? Maybe. Would I personally risk millions of pounds on it? Not in this lifetime. I wish them well but I'm cautious about the entire thing. I do wish people on social media would stop treating a transfer to Broadway as the ultimate mark of success, though. It is not only now that the show has 'made it'. They're on the West End and they won the Best New Musical Olivier - they have already made it! The Americans don't consider a show unproven until it has our mark of approval, so why on earth would we wait for theirs? If we want to support new British musicals then we also have to own the fact that our theatre scene is just as good (if not better, but I'm biased) than Broadway and that a show playing here is worth just as much in terms of recognition and a mark of success. And always good to see the fans bring normal on the socials! It’s about them and how they have made it the success it is! Chartering a plane to go out there I mean honestly what world do these people live in!? |
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Post by craigbowker on Oct 2, 2024 13:08:37 GMT
I quite like the show, so we differ there but that's fine. If I was a producer I would (I hate to say this) recast Jean and Charlie. More powerful vocals in those roles feels needed for a Broadway house. Maybe, MAYBE stunt cast one or both of them. But you're right, this team wouldn't agree without the original cast. Unless one of them has visa issues or chooses to stay back for family etc. I would expect them all to go. Jean? I thought Claire-Marie Hall was the strongest vocally. It COULD be a sound mixing issue for me or just a weird personal preference - I feel like she had the potential to be the strongest but didn't have enough power. Like with her I can feel the potential is there but not the breath support. I REALLY love her acting though. |
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Post by fiyerorocher on Oct 2, 2024 13:13:36 GMT
Jean? I thought Claire-Marie Hall was the strongest vocally. It COULD be a sound mixing issue for me or just a weird personal preference - I feel like she had the potential to be the strongest but didn't have enough power. Like with her I can feel the potential is there but not the breath support. I REALLY love her acting though. Did you definitely see Claire and not Holly? |
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Post by craigbowker on Oct 2, 2024 14:23:40 GMT
It COULD be a sound mixing issue for me or just a weird personal preference - I feel like she had the potential to be the strongest but didn't have enough power. Like with her I can feel the potential is there but not the breath support. I REALLY love her acting though. Did you definitely see Claire and not Holly? Yeah I've seen it a few times. I just always wish she had a bit more oomph. Again, could be sound mixing or my own personal preferences, not sure. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 2, 2024 15:37:28 GMT
Why does a show need to tour the UK before heading to Broadway out of interest? Because if it was my money being invested I’d want to test it on a wider audience than those tiny venues in London. Anyway, time we hoiked all of this over to International now! |
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Post by Matt on Oct 31, 2024 21:49:38 GMT
A mail out just went out with an American phone number and an extension, so I obviously called it and it goes to a recorded answering service saying that the broadway cast are still pending, and then to leave a message.
You then hear several voicemails from Monty suggesting people like Tom cruise, Tom hiddlestone etc to play him. The voice playing Monty is definitely not Natasha, not sure if that’s significant though.
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Post by fiyerorocher on Nov 1, 2024 10:27:42 GMT
A mail out just went out with an American phone number and an extension, so I obviously called it and it goes to a recorded answering service saying that the broadway cast are still pending, and then to leave a message. You then hear several voicemails from Monty suggesting people like Tom cruise, Tom hiddlestone etc to play him. The voice playing Monty is definitely not Natasha, not sure if that’s significant though. The voice playing Monty is *definitely* Tash. Broadway casting for this is 100% set. It's the OLC. |
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Post by fiyerorocher on Nov 1, 2024 10:35:14 GMT
I did find it funny that they mentioned requests for Daniel Radcliffe to play Cholmondeley though. Someone has been reading the boards!
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Post by Matt on Nov 1, 2024 13:58:49 GMT
A mail out just went out with an American phone number and an extension, so I obviously called it and it goes to a recorded answering service saying that the broadway cast are still pending, and then to leave a message. You then hear several voicemails from Monty suggesting people like Tom cruise, Tom hiddlestone etc to play him. The voice playing Monty is definitely not Natasha, not sure if that’s significant though. The voice playing Monty is *definitely* Tash. Broadway casting for this is 100% set. It's the OLC. Yeah a different extension to call now reveals the cast. |
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Post by erik24601 on Nov 1, 2024 14:08:51 GMT
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Post by max on Nov 9, 2024 21:45:54 GMT
Can anyone clue me in on why 'Operation Mincemeat' cost £2m to stage in the West End, but will take $13.5m (around £10.5m) to present on Broadway.
I guess this is a more general question about costs, but it seems particularly stark that the huge disparity still exists even when there's a cast of just 5 (plus swings) and a very simple set. Even if every element simply costs more on Broadway it seems outlandish if it's 5 times as much. Are there more production team members that must be used on Broadway under Union agreeements, whether a show needs them or not?
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Post by partytentdown on Nov 10, 2024 16:37:05 GMT
Yes.
More crew needed (union rules).
Bigger theatre and generally more expensive theatre rent.
Accommodation and sustenance for everyone from the UK living in NYC for however long.
More expensive marketing and more of it needed to sell tickets where the show is relatively unknown.
Probably other stuff I'm unaware of.
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Post by gmoneyoutlaw on Nov 10, 2024 19:18:04 GMT
Yes. More crew needed (union rules). Bigger theatre and generally more expensive theatre rent. Accommodation and sustenance for everyone from the UK living in NYC for however long. More expensive marketing and more of it needed to sell tickets where the show is relatively unknown. Probably other stuff I'm unaware of. Broadway has more unions. I would imagine they will do 4 weeks of previews. They have chosen The Golden, a smaller theatre, to keep the weekly running cost down. Housing the actors is probably also a production cost. I wouldn't thing that any of the cast members are demanding a "star" salary. Weekly running cost I would estimate at 400-500 thousand dollars. Has anyone got specifics on gross potential. I'd estimate at 900 thousand a week with dynamic pricing bring it up to 1.2 million with extraordinary reviews and attendance. Marketing this "unknown" show is half the budget - 5 million dollars. Theatre costs and rehearsals 1 million dollars. Preview losses another 1 million dollars. Opening night expense half a million dollars. Contingency to stay open during nomination season 1.5 million dollars. That looks about right to me. |
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Post by anxiousoctopus on Nov 15, 2024 19:51:10 GMT
It just hit me that during Glitzy Finale Willy Watkins performs alongside some American-ified nazis who sing ‘make America great again’. It’s kind of a joke about operation paperclip with a jab towards Trump, but now it’s going to open under a Trump presidency. I wonder how that’s going to go down…
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Post by max on Nov 17, 2024 14:56:59 GMT
It just hit me that during Glitzy Finale Willy Watkins performs alongside some American-ified nazis who sing ‘make America great again’. It’s kind of a joke about operation paperclip with a jab towards Trump, but now it’s going to open under a Trump presidency. I wonder how that’s going to go down… By that point they'll have already had the Act 2 opener, with Zoe comically admonishing the audience side-eye for applauding..."really?!". Should land well I think, and at least test the water for Willy Watkins! |
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Post by mattnyc on Nov 18, 2024 15:51:01 GMT
Tickets for the Broadway run are on sale now. Prices are £236 - £39 (for the last two rows of the theatre). Half the orchestra is the higher end. I really hope word of mouth can get them those prices.
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Post by Matt on Nov 18, 2024 17:55:37 GMT
Is it just me that didn’t realise that this only a 16 week run??!
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Post by Mark on Nov 18, 2024 18:06:54 GMT
Is it just me that didn’t realise that this only a 16 week run??! It’s called a marketing ploy. An extension on Broadway if successful is as likely as the 14th/15th/16th etc extension in London, with all the bells and whistles that go with it. |
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Post by notsotheatrical on Nov 18, 2024 18:15:04 GMT
Yep, it's to get the Mincefluencers to panic buy tickets like its going to Close.
And that Avalon don't know how to properly market to people outside the sphere of influence.
With the pricing they are going for with an unknown show, they are going to need all the help that they can get
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