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Post by ali973 on Mar 31, 2016 10:03:30 GMT
This makes me miss Dress Circle.
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Post by Steffi on Mar 31, 2016 10:14:14 GMT
Can I just cry somewhere here? Amazon cancelled my order for #Hamiltome - kindle version of a book with lyrics, annotations and everything. I've been counting days till it is out and they just cancelled the kindle version completely. The printed one will cost me a fortune by itself, and the delivery to Russia will require to sell my second kidney Gutted and devastated. Order it on Amazon UK shortly before your next trip to London and have it delivered to wherever you are staying. You'll have to wait a bit but it's not like you won't get it at all.
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Post by Stasia on Mar 31, 2016 10:52:22 GMT
Boo..But the printed version is actually only $24. Isn't that how much physical CDs cost these days (I only go digital). This will be a beautiful book, you should go for the physical version Shipping to Russia also costs a small fortune but the worst thing is that Russian post doesn't deliver things for 2-3 months. I was hoping to pay 3 times less and have this book in a couple of weeks. Plus I don't like physical books and prefer reading e-books, but obviusly it is the question of time and money for me And why would the publisher plan releasing it electronically and cancelling it so last minute?
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Post by Stasia on Mar 31, 2016 10:54:11 GMT
Order it on Amazon UK shortly before your next trip to London and have it delivered to wherever you are staying. You'll have to wait a bit but it's not like you won't get it at all. This may actually work! But still that means I will read it in the end of June, not in 2 weeks time, and this not the "wait for it" situation for me
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Post by 49thand8th on Mar 31, 2016 15:40:04 GMT
Can I just cry somewhere here? Amazon cancelled my order for #Hamiltome - kindle version of a book with lyrics, annotations and everything. I've been counting days till it is out and they just cancelled the kindle version completely. The printed one will cost me a fortune by itself, and the delivery to Russia will require to sell my second kidney Gutted and devastated. Wow. That's really strange. Can you email/tweet and ask why? I'd CC Hamilton too, just for fun.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Mar 31, 2016 17:46:50 GMT
Although Trump's politics are less right-wing than the other Republicans, he nonetheless feels more dangerous to me as his continued presence is basically making it seem okay to say what you think, especially if what you think is that all Mexicans are rapists and all Muslims should be kicked out of the country. I'm sure people would still think the racist thoughts if they didn't have his example legitimising their own thoughts, but it's pretty horrifying that they just don't see anything wrong with what's coming out of their mouths (and, in this case, keyboards). Dear white people, Sorry you only have extremely limited scope for being in Hamilton. May we suggest you instead go and be in EVERY OTHER MUSICAL EVER? It's not like you're hurting for parts for god's sake. I still have the CD sitting there waiting for me to find time to sit and listen properly, following the lyrics, so my knowledge on the show is somewhat hazy, but I though the casting was on purpose to show the US as a country with a large percentage of newly arrived immigrants (as per In the Heights as well), this being the case at the time of Hamiilton, as well as at the time of the rise of American musical theatre in the early twentieth century (created mainly by recent immigrants). The opposition to this from Trump and the shockingly large number of Americans that support him, being a depressingly predictable nativist reaction, demands that those immigrant characteristics are reflected in any casting, so an all white cast misses the point as much as an all white cast of In the Heights would. As per Trump he's best described a populist nationalist, akin to those nice European mid century ones, Peron, Karadzic etc. with an extra dose of anti-intellectualism. Given those forebears we can have a pretty good guess as to how any future Trump government would turn out.
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Post by charliec on Mar 31, 2016 20:04:51 GMT
I reckon Lin Manuel Miranda is going to make an appearance at the Oliviers. He's on holiday from Hamilton at the moment, the Olivier Twitter just posted a video of Groff doing his best message to the people of England, and I just searched Twitter for "Lin Manuel Miranda London" and someone tweeted about seeing them on their flight yesterday. Is it too much to hope for a little Ham performance on Sunday do we think?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 20:41:12 GMT
Oh I hope he gets to see In The Heights.
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Post by Hamilton Addict on Mar 31, 2016 20:42:02 GMT
Michael, continuing our conversation from the the School of Rock thread, I was never a big fan of hip-hop but I still loved Hamilton. I think it's because they seemed to have a bit of every music genre (My favourite non-hip hip songs are You'll Be Back and Burn). I actually found their to be more hip-hop in In the Heights, it just seemed more noticeable in ITH. You have to make sure you understand every single line to understand Hamilton. I managed to learn a lot about the history, but one thing I did mistake was I thought Alexander Hamilton had cheated on his wife with his sister-in-law, Peggy, and I didn't realise the actress was playing a different role. The reason the actors change roles have a lot of hidden meanings and I feel a lot of the show has hidden meanings, which I didn't read until after the show. Each to their own though and I find it really interesting to talk to someone who didn't like the show.
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Post by 49thand8th on Mar 31, 2016 21:34:17 GMT
I reckon Lin Manuel Miranda is going to make an appearance at the Oliviers. He's on holiday from Hamilton at the moment, the Olivier Twitter just posted a video of Groff doing his best message to the people of England, and I just searched Twitter for "Lin Manuel Miranda London" and someone tweeted about seeing them on their flight yesterday. Is it too much to hope for a little Ham performance on Sunday do we think? I didn't even think of that. Amazing!
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Post by firefingers on Mar 31, 2016 21:52:57 GMT
Would be a great way to announce the London transfer, that is for sure.
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Post by ali973 on Mar 31, 2016 21:57:29 GMT
I didn't realize the Oliviers were this Sunday. I'm flying out on Sunday. Is it normally televised?
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Post by ali973 on Mar 31, 2016 21:59:07 GMT
Ohhh...In the Heights is nominated. Maybe he's flying in to receive the award.
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Post by theatremadness on Mar 31, 2016 22:30:23 GMT
I didn't realize the Oliviers were this Sunday. I'm flying out on Sunday. Is it normally televised? Highlights on ITV1 10.15pm Sunday night, full ceremony ITV3 11pm Monday night!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 8:46:18 GMT
I was thinking after Groffsauce's message that we might be getting an announcement. Would be amazing to have him accept with the ITH cast (if they win of course)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 13:25:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 13:31:40 GMT
By LoveTheatre.com though, surely a waitlist doesn't mean something's definitely happening until it comes directly from the producer? I mean, I'm not doubting that Hamilton's on its way, I just don't see the existence of this waitlist as a concrete anything.
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Post by n1david on Apr 1, 2016 15:03:51 GMT
And most people won't think to untick the box underneath so LoveTheatre gets a bunch of new email addresses to promote to...
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Post by Steffi on Apr 2, 2016 9:33:17 GMT
Order it on Amazon UK shortly before your next trip to London and have it delivered to wherever you are staying. You'll have to wait a bit but it's not like you won't get it at all. This may actually work! But still that means I will read it in the end of June, not in 2 weeks time, and this not the "wait for it" situation for me Just a thought in case you haven't already read it. Give the book that inspired the show a go to ease the waiting time? Ron Chernow "Alexander Hamilton". I had a quick look through it the other day and it seems to be a good read if you're interested to find out more about the man himself. :-)
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Post by ali973 on Apr 3, 2016 0:07:46 GMT
Rap education/inspiration
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Post by Nelly on Apr 4, 2016 9:11:55 GMT
It says 'rumoured' on that link?
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Post by MusicalTalk on Apr 4, 2016 10:33:17 GMT
Rap education/inspiration if ALW did this, it'd be seen as plagiarism
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Post by theatremadness on Apr 5, 2016 20:10:41 GMT
Confirmation that Hamilton will come to London in 2017 www.playbill.com/article/confirmed-hamilton-headed-to-london-in-2017-com-356927New York Times interview with Hamilton's producer Jeffrey Seller earlier today: "Seller is spending a great deal of his time on the formidable task of putting multiple productions on the road, each of which, he says, must replicate the quality of the Broadway production. After Chicago, a second road company will open in San Francisco and perform for five months, then move on to Los Angeles. (That same cast may end up back in San Francisco for a longer engagement if the demand warrants.) There will most likely be a company that begins its tour in another West Coast city. Seller is working with the British producer Cameron Mackintosh on a “Hamilton” production to open in London in 2017, which will be followed by companies in Continental Europe and Australia." www.nytimes.com/2016/04/10/magazine/the-ceo-of-hamilton-inc.html?_r=0
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Post by Jon on Apr 5, 2016 20:23:52 GMT
Continental Europe which I assume is either Germany or the Netherlands would be risky as Hamilton might not play well there. Even Mormon hasn't opened in Europe yet.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Apr 5, 2016 20:27:08 GMT
Translating it would be difficult, presenting it in the original language might discourage some theatregoers
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Post by 49thand8th on Apr 5, 2016 20:53:14 GMT
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Post by musicalfloozie on Apr 5, 2016 21:01:47 GMT
Yippee I'm so excited, must admit been thoroughly taken in by this one. Luckily it's 2017 as I'm on a no more tickets for this year as got a little carried away with booking shows and meant to be saving haha.
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Post by primitivewallflower on Apr 6, 2016 1:16:47 GMT
Continental Europe which I assume is either Germany or the Netherlands would be risky as Hamilton might not play well there. Even Mormon hasn't opened in Europe yet. Hamilton could actually do quite well in France/among the French, since a) English-language musicals have a bit of a cult following in Paris, b) Hamilton touches on the history of France at several points, and c) much like in America, the pro-immigrant overtones of the musical make it all the more relevant to contemporary audiences there. The biggest challenge then is not the plot itself but the logistics of translating in real-time what is unofficially the most lyrically-dense major musical ever written. Do you resort to super/side titles? Or do you risk translated songs?
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Post by viserys on Apr 6, 2016 4:57:57 GMT
Book of Mormon also opens in Sweden next year.
I really can't see Hamilton happening in France, though. The "cult following" you refer to has been limited to a few classics that have seen short runs at the Theatre de Chatelet in recent years. Hardly any big mainstream musicals have ever made it in Paris (or elsewhere) and even Stage Entertainment has been struggling to fill their one single theatre (Mogador), where they are now doing Cats (again) to be followed by Phantom soon.
Otherwise I fully agree, I can't see Hamilton happening in any other language than English and an English-language version will be hard to follow for foreigners. I can see this work with subtitles in Scandinavia or the Netherlands perhaps, where people are used to subtitles in the cinema and on TV but definitely not in Germany, where the majority still insists on having everything spoonfed dubbed in German to them.
Overall I just don't think Hamilton NEEDS to go global. Maybe in the 80s/90s, it was a sign of success that shows like Cats, Les Mis or Mamma mia "went around the world" in dozens of languages. And yes, it was nice, but it shouldn't be a benchmark. Besides, people travel a lot more these days. I know many musical lovers in Germany who are big fans of Billy Elliot, although it's never played in Germany - they simply went to see it a couple of times in London. Same with Book of Mormon and I'm sure that once Hamilton is announced, there'll be another trek across the channel to see it.
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Post by 49thand8th on Apr 6, 2016 5:24:51 GMT
Lin probably wants to protect his baby so much that he'd also probably take a really long time researching/auditing translators if they plan to go that route -- either of the lyrics to be performed or for supertitles that get the point across with a comparable amount of density and cleverness. I don't see it doing many (if any) non-English language productions.
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