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Post by sph on Sept 16, 2022 16:21:44 GMT
A few people have joked on twitter that perhaps the coffin could be rolled down the queue to make it easier for everyone and while that is just a joke, it did get me thinking.
What if, a very respectful "tour" of London was done where the coffin was taken in a hearse or carriage around London so people could line the streets? It would make the ability to pay your respects far more accessible for the wider population and she could still lie in State before and after for those who really REALLY want to queue.
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Post by Jon on Sept 16, 2022 16:25:11 GMT
A few people have joked on twitter that perhaps the coffin could be rolled down the queue to make it easier for everyone and while that is just a joke, it did get me thinking. What if, a very respectful "tour" of London was done where the coffin was taken in a hearse or carriage around London so people could line the streets? It would make the ability to pay your respects far more accessible for the wider population and she could still lie in State before and after for those who really REALLY want to queue. I suspect it'll be a logistical nightmare to have a tour of London with a coffin which is probably why it's never been attempted.
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Post by alece10 on Sept 16, 2022 16:38:34 GMT
The difficulty is planning for something that hasn't happened for 70 years and having no idea of what the public response would be. You can't exactly do a MORI survey in advance to see if people would want to queue. So I think they have done as best as they can but we all know it would never make everyone happy. Maybe have a travelater like at airports so people can't stop and hold up the queue. 😀
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 16, 2022 16:54:06 GMT
Sorry to hear about that Alec. I really thought physical disabilities would be better supported. Seems the only way to do it is to become a MP and waltz to the front Exactly, and I've just had an argument about that very subject with a friend who thought it was totally acceptable for MPs to have "fast track'. Even good old David Beckham has been queueing with everyone else and eating pringles and donuts.Still got his eye on that knighthood!
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Post by Jan on Sept 16, 2022 17:44:34 GMT
I went to Pimlico this morning as there was a desk at the Tate Britain where people with mobility issues could get a timed entry ticket to avoid having to queue for hours. When I arrived about 10.30am the queue just to get an entry time was 2 hours and entry times were being given for many, many hours later. That would not have been an issue for me as I live in London so could have gone home and come in again but I would not have been able to queue for 2 hours to get a slot. You should have gone in to see the Walter Sickert exhibition instead, it is absolutely sensational with 30+ paintings of theatre/music hall from the turn of the century amongst many other great works..
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Post by alece10 on Sept 16, 2022 17:50:16 GMT
I went to Pimlico this morning as there was a desk at the Tate Britain where people with mobility issues could get a timed entry ticket to avoid having to queue for hours. When I arrived about 10.30am the queue just to get an entry time was 2 hours and entry times were being given for many, many hours later. That would not have been an issue for me as I live in London so could have gone home and come in again but I would not have been able to queue for 2 hours to get a slot. You should have gone in to see the Walter Sickert exhibition instead, it is absolutely sensational with 30+ paintings of theatre/music hall from the turn of the century amongst many other great works.. Ah that's a shame. To be honest I was so upset by the queue that I just came home.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Sept 17, 2022 6:15:58 GMT
How the queue isn't called the Elizabeth line is beyond me.
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Post by inthenose on Sept 17, 2022 6:46:06 GMT
God bless Her Majesty. There is a time to let people grieve and a time for a wider debate about the monarchy.
Many good friends of mine who are staunch Republicans were surprised by how much they felt when Her Majesty died. Several others weren’t moved themselves but were surprised that their anti-monarchy friends were suddenly sharing a tear about the passing of the Queen.
Personally I would never queue for something like this, it feels mawkish. The people I know who have gone are doing it to “say we were there”, which frankly I think is in poor taste. I did that that for the Olympic Games, not to walk past a dead body.
That said, what Republicans don’t quite get is there are a lot of people, my family included, who are genuinely grieving. I have family members who through various roles did pledge allegiance to the Queen, and they take it very seriously. They are intelligent, successful people and don’t need scorn or to be ridiculed for their trust in establishment. It is like losing a member of the family.
I know that must sound hard to understand, but it is the reality. She has been a rock for many people.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Sept 17, 2022 7:35:18 GMT
A few people have joked on twitter that perhaps the coffin could be rolled down the queue to make it easier for everyone and while that is just a joke, it did get me thinking. What if, a very respectful "tour" of London was done where the coffin was taken in a hearse or carriage around London so people could line the streets? It would make the ability to pay your respects far more accessible for the wider population and she could still lie in State before and after for those who really REALLY want to queue. I suspect it'll be a logistical nightmare to have a tour of London with a coffin which is probably why it's never been attempted. River cruise, queues are pretty much already in place
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Post by jojo on Sept 17, 2022 7:54:53 GMT
I think it's fair that a lot of people were caught off-guard by how emotional they were by her death. People who may have sneered at the hysteria following Diana's death, or who think of themselves as Republicans, or at the very least didn't identify with the people who waved flags outside Buckingham Palace every time a Royal baby was born. But I think all but the most hard-core Republicans recognise a life of service, or were reminded of the death of someone they were close to.
I wouldn't queue for that long to see the Queen, but whenever I see interviews from the queue the people seem to be having a very positive experience. There's a sense of camaraderie and a feeling of being involved in a big event. That's not for everyone, but there are plenty of people who will travel long distances to watch a football match, or go to a music festival, or spend hours refreshing a website to buy tickets. Someone did research on people in the queue, and it was 60% Remain voters, which goes against the stereotypes of some who sneer, albeit influenced by London bias. Watching a bit of the queue this morning there are a lot of people with military backgrounds, or queueing on behalf of a relative who served.
I feel some sympathy for those who are frustrated that they are told 'not now' to the debate on the monarchy but protests now won't change the system. They might generate a bit of publicity for their cause, but it will also anger a lot of people who aren't particular monarchists, who think heckling someone who has just lost their mum is always wrong. The time and place does exist and it is at the ballot box. They'll complain that the issue doesn't come up at general elections, or that none of the candidates standing on a platform of scrapping the monarchy stand a chance. I'd say 'that's democracy', but actually it's because (sorry to repeat this point) FPTP voting system is a far bigger impediment to democracy in the UK than having a hereditary ceremonial monarchy.
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Post by alece10 on Sept 17, 2022 7:58:00 GMT
How the queue isn't called the Elizabeth line is beyond me. The BBC have been calling it that for a few days.
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Post by margoc on Sept 17, 2022 18:03:49 GMT
The grandchildren did so well, granny would be very proud.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 17, 2022 18:07:11 GMT
I thinks it’s fantastic that her grandchildren did that.
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Post by Mark on Sept 17, 2022 19:46:13 GMT
Was a very moving moment, of which I doubt we will ever see again.
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Post by theatreian on Sept 17, 2022 22:22:05 GMT
Yes another moment of history whereby grandchildren have never carried out the vigil ceremony at a monarch's coffin. It is certainly going to eb a momentous day on Monday with unprecedented scenes.
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Post by marob on Sept 17, 2022 23:49:46 GMT
I can’t help but find the live feed from Westminster Hall fascinating. There’s lots of people pausing for a moment to pay their respects, as you’d expect, but there also appears to be quite a lot just casually strolling past. It’s kind of like watching bored tourists wandering disinterestedly round the British Museum or the Tate or whatever. Like they’ve just gone to say they were there. I guess you see the catafalque as you’re coming down the stairs, but still… to queue all that time and then just walk past when you finally get to the end I just find extraordinary.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 17, 2022 23:50:49 GMT
They are encouraged not to pause as it delays the flow of the lines.
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Post by marob on Sept 18, 2022 0:10:33 GMT
Ah, right. To a casual observer it looks like the only real delays are caused by them stopping the queues to change the guards. With all the planning that’s gone into this I’m surprised they didn’t find a less disruptive way of doing that.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 18, 2022 0:19:44 GMT
I agree that the ceremonial side of things is disruptive but that, at least, is a known and timed factor.
They started with 1 line each side of the hall and then moved to two. So they have done all they can to get people through in an efficient but not disrespectful way
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Post by jojo on Sept 18, 2022 7:51:59 GMT
IF they'd closed roads to allow the coffin to do a tour of London then all of the people who are angry at the presence of a queue that doesn't impact them would be far, far more angry. It would be a security nightmare with far more police and stewards required, which might not be practical, and even if they could organise it, it would be expensive.
I don't think celebrities should get to skip the queue, but I don't mind MPs being given more direct access. Westminster Hall is part of their place of work, and given that two MPs have been murdered in the last six years, the security headache would be too much for police. You could argue that only some MPs would have had a direct connection with her, and few could object to May paying her respects, how do you decide who isn't allowed?
I do object to the DUP MLPs skipping the queue as they are currently refusing to do any work at their own Parliament. There are also questions about whether they are claiming expenses.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 18, 2022 9:20:53 GMT
I agree that MPs, Peers and the staff of the Palace of Westminster should have some sort of priority. A plus One would also be appropriate. I don't get allowing MPs to bring four guests. That is excessive.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Sept 18, 2022 10:51:18 GMT
Even London's sex clubs are paying their respects and good on them.
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Post by steve10086 on Sept 18, 2022 12:41:52 GMT
Even London's sex clubs are paying their respects and good on them. Doing their bit to help people cum together at this difficult time.
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Post by Jon on Sept 18, 2022 12:47:53 GMT
IF they'd closed roads to allow the coffin to do a tour of London then all of the people who are angry at the presence of a queue that doesn't impact them would be far, far more angry. It would be a security nightmare with far more police and stewards required, which might not be practical, and even if they could organise it, it would be expensive. I don't think celebrities should get to skip the queue, but I don't mind MPs being given more direct access. Westminster Hall is part of their place of work, and given that two MPs have been murdered in the last six years, the security headache would be too much for police. You could argue that only some MPs would have had a direct connection with her, and few could object to May paying her respects, how do you decide who isn't allowed? I do object to the DUP MLPs skipping the queue as they are currently refusing to do any work at their own Parliament. There are also questions about whether they are claiming expenses. It's a logistical challenge to close off roads for events like the London Marathon, the odd protest etc at the best of times closing off Greater London would be impossible
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Sept 18, 2022 21:32:24 GMT
IF they'd closed roads to allow the coffin to do a tour of London then all of the people who are angry at the presence of a queue that doesn't impact them would be far, far more angry. It would be a security nightmare with far more police and stewards required, which might not be practical, and even if they could organise it, it would be expensive. I don't think celebrities should get to skip the queue, but I don't mind MPs being given more direct access. Westminster Hall is part of their place of work, and given that two MPs have been murdered in the last six years, the security headache would be too much for police. You could argue that only some MPs would have had a direct connection with her, and few could object to May paying her respects, how do you decide who isn't allowed? I do object to the DUP MLPs skipping the queue as they are currently refusing to do any work at their own Parliament. There are also questions about whether they are claiming expenses. It's a logistical challenge to close off roads for events like the London Marathon, the odd protest etc at the best of times closing off Greater London would be impossible Back to the river idea. Remember how popular the river pageant was?
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