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Post by fiyerorocher on Apr 3, 2023 0:47:16 GMT
Between Sister Act, Book of Mormon and Tammy Faye, a not-insignificant proportion of the performances ended up feeling very preachy tonight.
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Post by shady23 on Apr 3, 2023 2:08:45 GMT
Despite it being mentioned several times and them performing, I don't think I am any clearer what Tammy Faye is.
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Post by alessia on Apr 3, 2023 5:27:14 GMT
I also thought that the speech for Prima Facie's win kind of exemplified all the reasons I didn't think it was all that good a play - it's all very well to want to start a conversation, but I think you've also got to actually have something of value to say about the topic for it to be a meaningful one. Pointing out a problem is easy, actually providing thoughts on what to do about it is hard, and the play only really does the easy bit. Couldn't agree more. I didn't like the play much and I'm v surprised it's won. The massive popularity of it and JD's performance must have counted massively towards the decision. |
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Post by shownut on Apr 3, 2023 6:45:52 GMT
Despite it being mentioned several times and them performing, I don't think I am any clearer what Tammy Faye is. I don't know that any show was able to represent what it was truly about given the brief time frame. "Omar Sharif" was, in my opinion, the stand-out performance of the evening, but it tells you nothing about the plot of THE BAND'S VISIT. TAMMY FAYE was hampered in its choices as the leading lady was unable to perform. She really does carry that show and is in all but a few numbers. The one they chose was the most up-tempo compared to the others and the only one that could work out of context. Arguably, Zubin Varla's big number could have worked but they likely wanted to feature as much of the cast as possible and due to a family emergency, Mr Varla was unable to attend. |
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Post by londonpostie on Apr 3, 2023 7:06:36 GMT
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Post by anxiousoctopus on Apr 3, 2023 7:27:12 GMT
That’s interesting - although still says a lot that when men were not allowed to vote it was because they lived with another person (parents etc.) while women were denied it because they were considered inferior and unable to handle responsibility. |
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Post by londonpostie on Apr 3, 2023 7:36:10 GMT
Well, the difference for working class men and women voting was two general elections. The fight for representation began with Magna Carta in 1215, and ended n 1929 - over 700 years.
Fwiw, over 700,000 men died in WW1, never having the right to vote.
As ever, some would like to make it only about gender or another characteristic, and even about a young woman running out in front of a horse at the Epsom Derby. There are many thousands of martyrs. It always was a class war. Men and women suffered, fought and died together, literally for centuries.
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Post by mrnutz on Apr 3, 2023 8:44:28 GMT
Watched this live on YouTube - most enjoyable though did find Hannah Waddingham fairly smug and verging on annoying at times.
The Band's Visit performance was the standout for me, and a huge shame they left empty-handed.
I thought Standing's performance was an odd choice - presumably picked as it has the same name as the show, but there are far better and more representative songs they could have gone with.
And Totoro - wow! Kicking myself I didn't see this last year so I'd know what all the fuss was about.
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Post by Rory on Apr 3, 2023 8:51:53 GMT
I thought The Band's Visit performance was just gorgeous.
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Post by ceebee on Apr 3, 2023 8:57:42 GMT
Watched this live on YouTube - most enjoyable though did find Hannah Waddingham fairly smug and verging on annoying at times. The Band's Visit performance was the standout for me, and a huge shame they left empty-handed. I thought Standing's performance was an odd choice - presumably picked as it has the same name as the show, but there are far better and more representative songs they could have gone with. And Totoro - wow! Kicking myself I didn't see this last year so I'd know what all the fuss was about. Agree - Anna Waddington was extremely irritating. Regarding Totoro, I'm one of the few (along with my daughters) who found it an absolute bore. The sight of grown adults desperately trying to relieve their childhoods in the audience made me want to vom (but it won six Oliviers and was a huge box office success, so I accept I am in the miserable minority with this show). |
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Post by desireearmfeldt on Apr 3, 2023 9:26:39 GMT
Well, the difference for working class men and women voting was two general elections. The fight for representation began with Magna Carta in 1215, and ended n 1929 - over 700 years.
Fwiw, over 700,000 men died in WW1, never having the right to vote.
As ever, some would like to make it only about gender or another characteristic, and even about a young woman running out in front of a horse at the Epsom Derby. There are many thousands of martyrs. It always was a class war. Men and women suffered, fought and died together, literally for centuries.
This is my gripe with the show; Sylvia's clearly the more interesting figure who dedicated time to a social movement beyond women's suffrage, and the show gives that only a fragment of stage time in the final act. Most of us Brits are very aware of everything in Act One, and to see this reduced to buzzwords and showy feminism I'm sure would make Emmeline roll in her grave. There's a moment in Act Two with working class women that was, for me, one of its only saving graces. The rest I found so bland it was almost insulting. |
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Post by rpvee on Apr 3, 2023 9:35:08 GMT
I don't know that any show was able to represent what it was truly about given the brief time frame. "Omar Sharif" was, in my opinion, the stand-out performance of the evening, but it tells you nothing about the plot of THE BAND'S VISIT. Agreed about Omar Sharif being the standout performance of the evening (biased as I may be), but strongly disagreed that it tells you nothing about the plot of The Band’s Visit. The show doesn’t have much of a plot to begin with, its point being about the characters themselves and how alike people are through shared emotion and music. So what better song to represent that than an Israeli telling an Egyptian of her love of his culture through a beautiful song celebrating two Egyptian legends? |
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Post by shownut on Apr 3, 2023 10:26:43 GMT
I don't know that any show was able to represent what it was truly about given the brief time frame. "Omar Sharif" was, in my opinion, the stand-out performance of the evening, but it tells you nothing about the plot of THE BAND'S VISIT. Agreed about Omar Sharif being the standout performance of the evening (biased as I may be), but strongly disagreed that it tells you nothing about the plot of The Band’s Visit. The show doesn’t have much of a plot to begin with, its point being about the characters themselves and how alike people are through shared emotion and music. So what better song to represent that than an Israeli telling an Egyptian of her love of his culture through a beautiful song celebrating two Egyptian legends? You have a point. |
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Post by kathryn on Apr 3, 2023 14:01:59 GMT
Was really glad that Katie Brayben won for Tammy Faye.
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Post by londonpostie on Apr 3, 2023 14:04:10 GMT
Well, the difference for working class men and women voting was two general elections. The fight for representation began with Magna Carta in 1215, and ended n 1929 - over 700 years.
Fwiw, over 700,000 men died in WW1, never having the right to vote.
As ever, some would like to make it only about gender or another characteristic, and even about a young woman running out in front of a horse at the Epsom Derby. There are many thousands of martyrs. It always was a class war. Men and women suffered, fought and died together, literally for centuries.
This is my gripe with the show; Sylvia's clearly the more interesting figure who dedicated time to a social movement beyond women's suffrage, and the show gives that only a fragment of stage time in the final act. Most of us Brits are very aware of everything in Act One, and to see this reduced to buzzwords and showy feminism I'm sure would make Emmeline roll in her grave. There's a moment in Act Two with working class women that was, for me, one of its only saving graces. The rest I found so bland it was almost insulting. It is insulting, of course it's insulting. Not least to all those thousands of people who fought - and died. Welcome to the most delusional time in human history; Anglophone cities in the third decade of the 21st century. A place where history and facts have little value. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 3, 2023 14:14:03 GMT
I don’t know who did Hannah W’s make up but it looked like she’d had a run in with Sheridans chip pan.
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Post by londonpostie on Apr 3, 2023 14:31:10 GMT
I don't think it was the makeup.
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Post by thistimetomorrow on Apr 3, 2023 14:47:14 GMT
Main thing I'm sad about is that I wish Miri could have won best actress or the Band's Visit to win literally anything  Otherwise not too surprised by all the other winners |
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Post by shownut on Apr 3, 2023 14:50:56 GMT
Main thing I'm sad about is that I wish Miri could have won best actress or the Band's Visit to win literally anything Otherwise not too surprised by all the other winners I don't begrudge Katie Brayben that well-earned Olivier but would also love to have seen THE BAND'S VISIT win the top prize. And if there was a finer rendering of Dina than what Miri gave at the Donmar, I cannot imagine it. She was perfection. |
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Post by marob on Apr 3, 2023 15:31:16 GMT
I really hate the way they edit this programme. They trim down or remove pretty much everything except the musical performances, but then as soon as they start performing they cut away to the audience or to those acoustic things on the ceiling. The end of Newsies’ bit would have looked much more impressive if they’d just stayed on the spinning guy rather than showing him from three different angles. I don’t get it.
It has made me want to see Standing at the Sky’s Edge though. The closing medley put me off ever wanting to see Grease. I thought the Seasons of Love bit was quite moving, especially seeing Paul O’Grady included. Derek Jacobi’s speech was nice too, as was Cush Jumbo crying her eyes out to it.
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Post by ncbears on Apr 3, 2023 16:53:48 GMT
How much of Jacobi, Hawley and Dame Arlene Phillips speeches were left in? (I guess that's difficult to answer if you didn't see the live versions. So, Jacobi seemed like he spoke for near 10 minutes, with many Olivier stories. Dame Phillipos also spoke for at least 10 minutes, it seemed. And Hawley, well, it was more than 40 seconds!)
And what did they do of Hawley.
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Post by alece10 on Apr 3, 2023 16:56:54 GMT
How much of Jacobi, Hawley and Dame Arlene Phillips speeches were left in? (I guess that's difficult to answer if you didn't see the live versions. So, Jacobi seemed like he spoke for near 10 minutes, with many Olivier stories. Dame Phillipos also spoke for at least 10 minutes, it seemed. And Hawley, well, it was more than 40 seconds!) And what did they do of Hawley. We didn't get any of Hawleys speech apart from "other awards" at the end and about 10 seconds of him. Probably 2 or 3 minutes of Jacobi and same for Arlene Philips but what we heard wasn't that exciting, she rambled on about some green ballet shoes she had as a child as her mum couldn't afford pink ones. |
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Post by ncbears on Apr 3, 2023 17:04:07 GMT
Too bad about not seeing Hawley! It was a highlight or lowlight - it was definitely a different light!
A shame about Dame Phillips - she spoke about much more than the ballet shoes - she spoke about the struggles of women and eloquently so. I'm sure most of Jacobi's stories have been told in other venues/shows, but he is such a joy to just listen to. He talked about starting at Birmingham, playing Laertes and being invited by Olivier to the National - then more about Olivier and less about Jacobi.
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Post by madsonmelo on Apr 3, 2023 18:14:05 GMT
I liked the award, but I saw everything and sometime gets boring. Hannah is like DeBose at the Tonys, everyone is a friend and so on, but her voice is great.
I have to say that Beverley Knight was the name of the night for me, two performances and an award after three nominations, and that voice. Wow!
I think it's funny that ''Bands Visit'' got 10 Tonys but here won nothing, that's life, right?
The performance really made me want to see ''Oklahoma!'' tho.
Comer and Mescal winning, are they the youngest duo to do it so? Huge for both of them.
Also, kinda ironic that Stanley and Stella got the award, but not Blanche. Poor Blanche!
And I think its a matter of time about when will ''Totoro'' go to New York.
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Post by ncbears on Apr 3, 2023 19:02:37 GMT
In fairness to the Oliviers, when The Band's Visit won all those Tony Awards, the other eligible musicals were:
Escape to Margaritaville
Frozen
Mean Girls
Prince of Broadway
SpongeBob SquarePants
Summer: The Donna Summer Musical
and the revivals of Carousel, My Fair Lady and Once On This Island didn't create much excitement, once the shows were seen.
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Otherwise not too surprised by all the other winners
