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Post by anthony40 on Aug 4, 2023 14:46:20 GMT
I have a extremely vague recollection of an old Rumpelstiltskin film as a child.
All I can remember was a spindle and if the Prince could work out his name, that would break the spell.
And the dwarf dancing around a camp fire singing 'Rumpelstiltskin is my name! Rumpelstiltskin is my name' and the Prince overlooking the from the cliff ledge above. But that's all I remember.
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Post by bobbievanhusen on Aug 6, 2023 3:14:21 GMT
They are going ahead with it, it's already in pre-production at the studio. It's my understanding that the film will be called Snow White and The Seven Miners. Maybe they're holding that back to make a big announcement about how they have 'listened' and don't want to offend.... They were never having dwarfs in it from the start |
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Post by jek on Aug 6, 2023 7:27:56 GMT
There is a Spanish 2012 version of Snow White 'Blancanieves'. Black and white, silent and featuring sumptuously dressed matadors. I haven't seen it for years but I remember it was stunning.
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Post by theatrelover97 on Aug 19, 2023 19:45:02 GMT
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Aug 19, 2023 22:28:38 GMT
I think this won't be a good film but to be mad that they're doing something new is hilarious. What's the point of a remake which follows the original to a tee? If that's what you want then just watch the original. Fair enough if you're against the reasoning behind the changes - I'm pretty cynical about the motivations for a lot of the changes in these remakes my self - but the guy quoted literally says "they're trying to do something new" with it as if that's a drawback. Like, no sh*t Sherlock, what do you think a remake is for?
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Post by Jon on Aug 19, 2023 22:57:13 GMT
Until the film is released, we have no idea what'll be like. I would say Snow White unlike other Disney remakes probably would benefit from a couple of changes, it hasn't aged as well which isn't surprising given it's 85 years old.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Aug 20, 2023 0:52:16 GMT
We know a lot of the principal casting now
We know what the lead actor has said about her role and other elements of the film
All of this seems to be quite some way from the Disney original let alone the various Grimm versions.
And yes, we won't know everything until the film is finally released.
But it is not surprising that people are taking a view on the film based on what is in the public domain.
And it does not surprise me that people have reacted negatively to the removal of elements that are seen by many as being at the core of the story.
It is absolutely fine to do a reimagining of this fairy tale. But the further you move away from the original versions, the more you risk alienating people who grew up on the story.
If Disney had described this from the outset as a new take rather than a live action remake, they wouldn't be dealing with the current criticism.
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Post by David J on Aug 20, 2023 9:16:59 GMT
Things are really getting out of hand with Rachel Zegler's comments. And this is after Disney decided to listen to Peter Dinklage and deny six dwarf actors (at least they have one) work in the film. By trying to make themselves look inclusive they did the complete opposite. I mean for goodness sake Dinklage said the seven dwarfs lived in a cave. Did he not watch the film. People across the board think Zegler is being insufferable in this case. Even the diehard Disney fans who would defend anything thinks this remake of Walt's classic film is a step too far. She says she dislikes the story she's starring in, calling the prince a stalker, and saying the whole moral of the story about vanity has been removed and now will focus on Snow White's inner struggle. And people are calling out her contradictory commentsNow to be fair, I think some of the things she's said have been by design from the movie's PR team. But it's becoming clear that people are taking note of controversies surrounding films or the actors and directors' 'hot takes'. Despite everything going for The Flash with Michael Keaton's Batman returning, people heard about Ezra Miller's antics and decided against see it. The newly released Blue Beetle had some controversy calling Batman a 'fascist' in the trailer and the director's political hot takes on twitter that were soon taken down, and is already predicted to be the latest box office bomb this year And now branding experts are saying Zeglers comments will affect Snow White's box office success. I suspect Disney is giving Rachel a talking to at the moment. She hasn't starred in a lot of successful films (and yes that includes West Side Story) so she hasn't exactly got the clout to be throwing these comments around. I think film studios are going to have a tighter leash on what actors and creators say about their films in the future. |
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Post by theatrelover97 on Aug 20, 2023 13:18:51 GMT
Things are really getting out of hand with Rachel Zegler's comments. And this is after Disney decided to listen to Peter Dinklage and deny six dwarf actors (at least they have one) work in the film. By trying to make themselves look inclusive they did the complete opposite. I mean for goodness sake Dinklage said the seven dwarfs lived in a cave. Did he not watch the film. People across the board think Zegler is being insufferable in this case. Even the diehard Disney fans who would defend anything thinks this remake of Walt's classic film is a step too far. She says she dislikes the story she's starring in, calling the prince a stalker, and saying the whole moral of the story about vanity has been removed and now will focus on Snow White's inner struggle. And people are calling out her contradictory commentsNow to be fair, I think some of the things she's said have been by design from the movie's PR team. But it's becoming clear that people are taking note of controversies surrounding films or the actors and directors' 'hot takes'. Despite everything going for The Flash with Michael Keaton's Batman returning, people heard about Ezra Miller's antics and decided against see it. The newly released Blue Beetle had some controversy calling Batman a 'fascist' in the trailer and the director's political hot takes on twitter that were soon taken down, and is already predicted to be the latest box office bomb this year And now branding experts are saying Zeglers comments will affect Snow White's box office success. I suspect Disney is giving Rachel a talking to at the moment. She hasn't starred in a lot of successful films (and yes that includes West Side Story) so she hasn't exactly got the clout to be throwing these comments around. I think film studios are going to have a tighter leash on what actors and creators say about their films in the future. I think producers will go very Conservative and not do anything very radical as is proven anything notably radical, story changes, gender changing, race changing, means box office flop in the majority of cases. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Aug 20, 2023 13:44:57 GMT
It's fine to do radical new versions as long as you are honest about it upfront.
What I have never liked is using an existing classic to generate sales of a remake that is not as good as the original.
That is just lazy. Be creative. Be innovative. But be original.
Don't call it Snow White when you don't intend to tell the fairy story that everyone has known for decades.
That approach worked with the Huntsman films. And gave the creators a chance to do something different without raising hopes/expectations.
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Post by theatrefan62 on Aug 24, 2023 11:41:56 GMT
Things are really getting out of hand with Rachel Zegler's comments. And this is after Disney decided to listen to Peter Dinklage and deny six dwarf actors (at least they have one) work in the film. By trying to make themselves look inclusive they did the complete opposite. I mean for goodness sake Dinklage said the seven dwarfs lived in a cave. Did he not watch the film. People across the board think Zegler is being insufferable in this case. Even the diehard Disney fans who would defend anything thinks this remake of Walt's classic film is a step too far. She says she dislikes the story she's starring in, calling the prince a stalker, and saying the whole moral of the story about vanity has been removed and now will focus on Snow White's inner struggle. And people are calling out her contradictory commentsNow to be fair, I think some of the things she's said have been by design from the movie's PR team. But it's becoming clear that people are taking note of controversies surrounding films or the actors and directors' 'hot takes'. Despite everything going for The Flash with Michael Keaton's Batman returning, people heard about Ezra Miller's antics and decided against see it. The newly released Blue Beetle had some controversy calling Batman a 'fascist' in the trailer and the director's political hot takes on twitter that were soon taken down, and is already predicted to be the latest box office bomb this year And now branding experts are saying Zeglers comments will affect Snow White's box office success. I suspect Disney is giving Rachel a talking to at the moment. She hasn't starred in a lot of successful films (and yes that includes West Side Story) so she hasn't exactly got the clout to be throwing these comments around. I think film studios are going to have a tighter leash on what actors and creators say about their films in the future. Completely agree. It's also not as though we haven't had snow white remakes with more modern twists. Mirror mirror and the snow white and huntsman films. Plus snow white in things like once upon a time. This is classed as one of disneys live action remakes, so it's very much disneys snow white. That's how it's been promoted and what people will expect. Very few of the remakes have been any good (or at least lived up to the original) for various reasons, but they did (mostly) stick true to their source. Going too modern and too realistic can zap the magic and charm out of the stories (e.g. Peter Pan and wendy). Mind you people regularly don't understand fairytales. When Alws Cinderella came our CHF, and other creatives were going on about how this cinderella wasn't wanting to be saved by a man. But that's not what cinderella was about in first place. She wanted to escape her hard life, her prison, and it's about the face of having courage and kindness in face of adversity. |
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Post by FairyGodmother on Sept 2, 2023 13:13:08 GMT
I thought the issue was going to be that people had complained about her not having "skin as white as snow, lips as red as blood, hair as black as ebony". Which I'd be very much in favour of her saying it doesn't matter, how you play the part is more important etc. I'm very pleased that hasn't been the case!
But instead we seem to have got "Snow White is a rubbish character and story and I'm going to do something better and different, I'll just be called Snow White".
The dwarf argument is also a bit weird. Surely they're fairytale dwarves, not humans with dwarfism? I look forward to the Girl Guiding Association complaining about the next film to include Brownies because they're not little girls in yellow and brown...
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Post by theatrefan62 on Oct 27, 2023 20:13:39 GMT
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Post by David J on Oct 27, 2023 23:32:57 GMT
But wait, I thought these were the seven dwarfs, as taken on filming. Or should I say 'magical creatures' metro.co.uk/2023/07/15/snow-white-remake-first-look-images-show-diverse-casting-19135409/Or has there been a lot of recent backlash, loss of box office fortunes, and decline in stock market value that Disney has back tracked and rushed together some bad looking cgi dwarves in a post-production shot before the next investors call in 2 weeks time. All they had to do was not listen to Peter Dinklage. |
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Post by theatrefan62 on Oct 28, 2023 6:07:23 GMT
I thought it couldn't get any worse than the 3 fairies in maleficent, but I was wrong.
It amazes me how bad the cgi often looks in disney movies.
I agree re Peter. I think Disney is now so scared about offending anyone, they just reactionary responses to things without thinking it through. Plenty within the community disagreed with Peter. His opinion is no more valid than theirs.
Disney may as well scrap the movie now, is so tainted in negative PR.
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Post by anthony40 on Oct 28, 2023 15:19:22 GMT
I've just read the Variety article. Another reimagined story!
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Post by anthony40 on Aug 10, 2024 8:24:24 GMT
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 10, 2024 9:38:37 GMT
The poster is pretty  |
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Post by SuttonPeron on Aug 10, 2024 10:55:42 GMT
Disney truly would extinguish before having a princess that sings in her soprano range...
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Post by christya on Aug 10, 2024 11:19:13 GMT
That thing has so much obvious CGI that I’m not even sure it qualifies as a live action remake. I’m reminded of Bob Hoskins in the middle of all the toons in Who Framed Roger Rabbit. And her voice is really jarring, far too pop. They make her sound like a kid singing along to Taylor Swift or something.
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Post by theatrefan62 on Aug 10, 2024 14:47:42 GMT
I liked the fantasy fairytale vibe of the trailer,but (like Wicked) the cgi is so obvious, unrealistic and distracting it just takes me out of it. Also cgi dwarves is unforgivable too.
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Post by Matt on Aug 10, 2024 19:49:07 GMT
What happened to that photo from early filming with real people as the dwarves, with half of them not actually being dwarves? I thought that was official.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Aug 10, 2024 19:52:06 GMT
They had to do a lot of reshooting. If you believe the rumours
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Post by David J on Aug 10, 2024 20:24:13 GMT
None of that would have happened if they didn't listen to Peter Dinklage's comments and actually gave seven dwarf actors jobs in the film.
Not sure whether the seven people in the film are still in it. From what I last heard Snow White now has seven cgi dwarfs (after Disney couldn't ignore the backlash but at the same time go against Dinklage) and seven bandits.
But the reshoots are adding to the total budget (minus the marketing) that its increasingly unlikely they will make any money off this
When you proclaim yourself to represent everyone you end up in this mess where you're inadvertently exclude people.
Lesson after so many years of virtue signalling: you can't please everyone. Just make what general audiences want to see (aka Deadpool and Wolverine and Inside Out 2)
And Gal Gadot still looks fairer than Rachel Zegler.
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Post by stuartmcd on Aug 10, 2024 22:12:37 GMT
I was unsure of the cgi dwarfs from the trailer however there is a leaked clip of Whistle While You Work floating around online and they look much better there. Still an element of uncanny valley but I also quite like the fantastical nature to them.
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