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Post by Jon on Nov 21, 2021 1:40:41 GMT
One of my favourite shopping places I've been to is The Eaton Centre in Toronto, it was kind of like Westfield but much more brighter.
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Post by sph on Nov 21, 2021 2:36:54 GMT
At the end of the day, the way that people shop has been changing significantly in recent years, and the pandemic has just made it happen faster than it would have naturally.
If we have the ability to buy anything we want, from our phone, in our pocket, and have it delivered to our doorstep cheaply, how can the traditional shopping experience possibly complete?
The high street will survive, but it has to offer something that people will actively go there for.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2021 4:59:07 GMT
Theres no denying Oxford St is different now, but they need to think of other ways to use the empty units, stores and buildings. I'm looking forward to Ikea being in the old Top Sbop building - no more trekking out to Croydon thankfully.
Debenhams was the largest unit in the small, Wandsworth Southside shopping centre, but when it went bust, people thought the whole centre would decline. Instead of sitting empty, the 4 storey unit was turned into an E-karting course and its amazimg!
The US candy stores must be a front for something, there's too many of them and they're wildly overpriced. The same sweets in my local cornershop are 1.99 - The Mike and Icke sours are worth everypenny!!
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Post by hairspray57 on Nov 21, 2021 11:17:59 GMT
The Tories will end up introducing some form of tax on online shopping. It be very popular in the red wall where the Tories are focussed on atm.
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Post by sleepflower on Nov 21, 2021 14:32:24 GMT
It's really depressing seeing the number of tourist tat/sweet shops moving into every empty unit around Oxford Street/Soho - it's getting quite ridiculous the numbers of them now.
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Post by Phantom of London on Nov 21, 2021 18:27:31 GMT
oh I always thought that the M&M store on Leicester Store was some front to some dodgy drug cartel somewhere. It's really depressing seeing the number of tourist tat/sweet shops moving into every empty unit around Oxford Street/Soho - it's getting quite ridiculous the numbers of them now. Along with Covent Garden and The South Bank, Soho is one of my favourite places in London as it is so vibrant and bohemian. Also great a lot of those seedy and sordid sex shops are in decline to how it was once, just a handful more and they thankfully all be gone.
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Post by lynette on Nov 21, 2021 18:39:24 GMT
oh I always thought that the M&M store on Leicester Store was some front to some dodgy drug cartel somewhere. It's really depressing seeing the number of tourist tat/sweet shops moving into every empty unit around Oxford Street/Soho - it's getting quite ridiculous the numbers of them now. Along with Covent Garden and The South Bank, Soho is one of my favourite places in London as it is so vibrant and bohemian. Also great a lot of those seedy and sordid sex shops are in decline to how it was once, just a handful more and they thankfully all be gone. Apropos nothing at all but slightly relevant in the light of the sweet shop dodginess, did you watch the tv progs on the corruption of the Met in the 60s/70s? Based on what went on in Soho. Fascinating. I recommend. Fasten jaw tight as mine dropped to the floor.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2021 18:49:31 GMT
Along with Covent Garden and The South Bank, Soho is one of my favourite places in London as it is so vibrant and bohemian. Also great a lot of those seedy and sordid sex shops are in decline to how it was once, just a handful more and they thankfully all be gone. But those 'seedy and sordid sex shops' ARE SOHO. Its what the area was/is all about. That's what gave SOHO it colorful characters and personality. Sex shops aren't sordid though, though I can see how those with hang ups about sex might think that.
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Post by alece10 on Nov 21, 2021 18:49:48 GMT
oh I always thought that the M&M store on Leicester Store was some front to some dodgy drug cartel somewhere. Along with Covent Garden and The South Bank, Soho is one of my favourite places in London as it is so vibrant and bohemian. Also great a lot of those seedy and sordid sex shops are in decline to how it was once, just a handful more and they thankfully all be gone. Apropos nothing at all but slightly relevant in the light of the sweet shop dodginess, did you watch the tv progs on the corruption of the Met in the 60s/70s? Based on what went on in Soho. Fascinating. I recommend. Fasten jaw tight as mine dropped to the floor. Yes they were facinating
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Post by Jon on Nov 21, 2021 19:01:32 GMT
But those 'seedy and sordid sex shops' ARE SOHO. Its what the area was/is all about. That's what gave SOHO it colorful characters and personality. Sex shops aren't sordid though, though I can see how those with hang ups about sex might think that. The shops like Prowler don't bother me, I'm surprised the video shops still exist though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2021 2:26:36 GMT
But those 'seedy and sordid sex shops' ARE SOHO. Its what the area was/is all about. That's what gave SOHO it colorful characters and personality. Sex shops aren't sordid though, though I can see how those with hang ups about sex might think that. The shops like Prowler don't bother me, I'm surprised the video shops still exist though. The ones with the dirty, coloured plastic strips that hang in the doorway like a curtain? They always have the best stuff lol
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Post by lynette on Nov 25, 2021 18:19:48 GMT
Just read they are demolishing the M&S store too. Ooo er! Building something modern……..still an M&S though, for now.
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Post by Jon on Nov 25, 2021 18:31:19 GMT
Just read they are demolishing the M&S store too. Ooo er! Building something modern……..still an M&S though, for now. It's not exactly Selfridges or Harrods in terms of historical interest.
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Post by hairspray57 on Nov 25, 2021 18:40:12 GMT
Another blow through. Selfridges will suffer as well from loss of customers to that end of the street suing the rebuilding process
It’s quite possible in 10 years time no major shops exist on Oxford Street and the majority of it is entertainment or residential. There are only so many Entertainment Venues central London can sustain so if Oxford Street gets more other areas will start losing them.
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Post by Phantom of London on Nov 25, 2021 18:56:56 GMT
If you just heard banging, that is another nail going into the coffin of Oxford Street. John Lewis has similar plans to turn part of their store into partial office, in turn this is what is going to happen to the House of Fraser store, which is well and good if you have tenants to fill the space, which is also in decline because of the pandemic and the slow puncture of Brexit. I cycle past in High Holborn out former headquarters and still see a medal door covering the front, with no hope of a tenant anytime soon, the building is owned by Thames Water, no blue chip company likes to mark down assets. The other alternative is to convert into apartments, this will affect property prices, that won’t be liked by existing house owners in the area.
Or else build new theatres, I don’t mind that one.
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Post by Jon on Nov 25, 2021 19:01:12 GMT
Another blow through. Selfridges will suffer as well from loss of customers to that end of the street suing the rebuilding process It’s quite possible in 10 years time no major shops exist on Oxford Street and the majority of it is entertainment or residential. There are only so many Entertainment Venues central London can sustain so if Oxford Street gets more other areas will start losing them. Theatres aren't going to get demolish.
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Post by hairspray57 on Nov 25, 2021 19:01:28 GMT
If you just heard banging, that is another nail going into the coffin of Oxford Street. John Lewis has similar plans to turn part of their store into partial office, in turn this is what is going to happen to the House of Fraser store, which is well and good if you have tenants to fill the space, which is also in decline because of the pandemic and the slow puncture of Brexit. I cycle past in High Holborn out former headquarters and still see a medal door covering the front, with no hope of a tenant anytime soon, the building is owned by Thames Water, no blue chip company likes to mark down assets. The other alternative is to convert into apartments, this will affect property prices, that won’t be liked by existing house owners in the area. Or else build new theatres, I don’t mind that one. Apparently those plans might be on hold for at least a year including to someone I know who has links to the story. Apparments just make the street seem so empty all of the time.
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Post by hairspray57 on Nov 25, 2021 19:02:49 GMT
Another blow through. Selfridges will suffer as well from loss of customers to that end of the street suing the rebuilding process It’s quite possible in 10 years time no major shops exist on Oxford Street and the majority of it is entertainment or residential. There are only so many Entertainment Venues central London can sustain so if Oxford Street gets more other areas will start losing them. Theatres aren't going to get demolish. Nor are any new ones going to be built. But restaurant’s, clubs etc might open on Oxford Street but will probably simply be replacing ones closing elsewhere in the west end. There is not an infinite amount of customers.
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Post by Jon on Nov 25, 2021 19:06:12 GMT
Nor are any new ones going to be built. But restaurant’s, clubs etc might open on Oxford Street but will probably simply be replacing ones closing elsewhere in the west end. There is not an infinite amount of customers. That's simply not true, there's one that will be built in Olympia, Yoo Investment just bought the Saville Theatre with the intent of making it a live entertainment venue and there is the upcoming Nimax Theatre on Charing Cross Road opening next year and the Kings Cross venue that's been built and will be run by the two Nicks.
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Post by TallPaul on Nov 26, 2021 13:14:30 GMT
Seems bizarre now, but until relatively recently this was recognised, by Guinness World Records no less, as having the highest sales per square foot of any store on Earth. (A title it lost, I think, to Richer Sounds at London Bridge.)
Personally, I would prefer a compromise that retains at least the facade of the Art Deco corner block.
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Post by alece10 on Nov 26, 2021 14:50:26 GMT
I was just thinking back to Oxford Street at Christmas from years back. I remember back in the late 70s and 80s Selfridges had amazing Christmas windows which were usually fairy tales and you went from one window to the next as it told the fairy tale. The street lights were always amazing too, but I used to wait until Christmas Eve after the shops closed to see the windows and lights as the street was deserted. I also remember one year they were going to have lasers instead of lights. Now this was in the infancy of laser and a lot of people were worried if they went to Oxford Street they could get cut in half by the laser. Turned out it was a single green laser beam from one end of the street to the other. Biggest disappointment ever.
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Post by Phantom of London on Dec 17, 2021 15:47:16 GMT
I cycled from Baker Street end at Selfridges, all the way down Oxford Street down to Holborn and onto Cannon Street. So I thought I have a count up of these gaudy ‘American Candy Stores’ and I counted 8, I also know there is one near the Phoenix Theatre. It is hard to fathom out how these shops can afford to operate and a multi-billion pound coffee chains can’t, unless as point out earlier they’re used for laundering purposes.
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Post by jaqs on Dec 17, 2021 17:01:55 GMT
I did my annual lights walk between shows yesterday and despite reading it on this thread was still shocked by all those candy shops. I loved that Oxford street had upped its lights game this year but the lack of decent shops was stark. Regent street felt very grand in comparison.
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Dec 17, 2021 17:05:17 GMT
Random.... what about the Boulevard Theatre? Such a shame that closed. :-(
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Post by asfound on Dec 17, 2021 17:12:02 GMT
Random.... what about the Boulevard Theatre? Such a shame that closed. :-( Yeah I really liked that space for the once production I got to see there - very sleek and modern. Programming looked interesting as well, really wanted to see The Sugar Syndrome.
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