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Post by Someone in a tree on Sept 20, 2021 8:19:53 GMT
Wonder if anyone has been to NT recently.....is shop/FOH /bar/etc now open....? Not according to their website. All still closed apart from the Understudy Bar. I wonder if that will change when East is East opens in a couple of weeks and all three theatres are back open. Meanwhile the Barbican is buzzing with excitement with folk eating, drinking and enjoying themselves.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Sept 20, 2021 19:48:16 GMT
Not according to their website. All still closed apart from the Understudy Bar. I wonder if that will change when East is East opens in a couple of weeks and all three theatres are back open. Meanwhile the Barbican is buzzing with excitement with folk eating, drinking and enjoying themselves. But then they do have a fabulous show on offer.
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Post by meister on Sept 20, 2021 21:01:01 GMT
When is the next season announced?
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Post by cavocado on Sept 21, 2021 7:13:28 GMT
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Post by Stephen on Sept 22, 2021 23:20:53 GMT
The understudy was closed last night when I passed. FOH areas only open to ticket holders for the evening shows. Pity.
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Post by n1david on Sept 23, 2021 10:09:21 GMT
Sounds like they're opening up a bit more from today.
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Post by zahidf on Sept 23, 2021 10:09:52 GMT
What timing!
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Post by cavocado on Sept 23, 2021 10:16:55 GMT
I'm glad Small Island is coming back. I've only seen it on NT@Home - very enjoyable, but I don't think my laptop screen really did it justice.
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Post by Mark on Sept 24, 2021 13:20:49 GMT
Very impressed to get £10 front row circle seats for The Normal Heart through NT Rush. I believe these used to be £20 so nice to see them reduced!
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Post by mkb on Sept 26, 2021 11:03:03 GMT
Three points from Friday night's The Normal Heart that exemplify the regard in which this theatre holds its patrons:
1) Not even a ball-park running time was available until after the first preview the night before. Then they listed 2:40 including 20-minute interval on their website, but at the auditorium entrance it was listed as 2:25 with 25-minute interval. I clarified with staff that the ambiguous "with" meant "including". In the event, with no delays and a 24-minute interval, it ran 2:54 and we missed our booked train.
2) No tea or coffee was available during the interval. The only outlet serving these - a pop-up café on the ground floor -- had been timed to close just as the interval began. The two bars were understaffed and had long lines.
3) Exiting the Olivier along with tens of others through the front doors on level 2, and turning left for the stairs up to Waterloo Bridge, some numpty had put a barrier across the link walkway, so that everyone has to go down four flights and back up again. And in case anyone should have the temerity to move the barrier, the NT have paid for a man in hi-viz to stand guard over it, rather than have the common courtesy to let people exit this way.
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Post by cavocado on Sept 26, 2021 11:49:31 GMT
Three points from Friday night's The Normal Heart that exemplify the regard in which this theatre holds its patrons: 1) Not even a ball-park running time was available until after the first preview the night before. Then they listed 2:40 including 20-minute interval on their website, but at the auditorium entrance it was listed as 2:25 with 25-minute interval. I clarified with staff that the ambiguous "with" meant "including". In the event, with no delays and a 24-minute interval, it ran 2:54 and we missed our booked train. 2) No tea or coffee was available during the interval. The only outlet serving these - a pop-up café on the ground floor -- had been timed to close just as the interval began. The two bars were understaffed and had long lines. 3) Exiting the Olivier along with tens of others through the front doors on level 2, and turning left for the stairs up to Waterloo Bridge, some numpty had put a barrier across the link walkway, so that everyone has to go down four flights and back up again. And in case anyone should have the temerity to move the barrier, the NT have paid for a man in hi-viz to stand guard over it, rather than have the common courtesy to let people exit this way. Not sure this is entirely fair. I agree the running time on the website is wrong, which is annoying for anyone who has to get a particular train, but I think it's a common issue with previews everywhere, so not sure I'd ever rely on the advertised running time until after the first night. I think they were letting people cut through to the bridge last night, so perhaps they've addressed that already. I came out of that exit and went down the stairs to the South Bank, but I'm pretty sure others were turning left. Tea/coffee would be nice I agree, but it must be a huge project to get that building back to 'normal' and I was really pleasantly surprised by how much had reopened last night compared to when I saw Paradise a month ago. I loved seeing the foyer busy and the shop open. Many of us have complained about the slowness of re-opening, so I think the NT deserves some credit for progress now, even if there is still a way to go. One thing I have noticed in post-lockdown visits to the NT (and given that we know a lot of staff were made redundant) is that there are a lot of inexperienced FOH staff e.g. ushers wandering around with seat maps on clipboards and not familiar with the theatre layout. Not been a problem for me, just that presumably it's an additional issue for the theatre having to train and manage a lot of new staff. I was just happy to see a very good show in an NT that felt a lot closer to being back to 'normal'.
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Post by mkb on Sept 26, 2021 11:58:25 GMT
There's no way the play was extended by 29 minutes between the first and second preview, so to be insisting on Friday night it would all be over in 2:25 was incompetence.
Being a preview, I'd allowed 15 minutes contingency, but not half an hour.
When I walked across Waterloo Bridge last night, the barrier and security guard were still in place. Anyone exiting that way is directed down the four flights of stairs on the side wall of the theatre. You can approach the barrier from either side. It's probably there to stop people entering at this level (although you can still do that by coming up those stairs), but no reason why the guard can't allow exits.
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Post by cavocado on Sept 26, 2021 12:37:27 GMT
But you said the 2:25 was only at the entrance to the auditorium, presumably after you booked your train? If you saw 2:40 on the website, your 15 mins leeway should have accommodated a 2:54 running time? I can understand it's annoying to miss your train, but your timing is very tight. I've often been to plays that started late, intervals over-ran or it just took a long time to exit, so I think I'd just allow a bit longer.
I must have made a mistake about the left turners last night. But my main point still stands. They've been criticised for not opening up, but now they have made big progress in getting the foyer open before performances, with a cafe, bookshop and two bars available. The theatre seemed to be at least 80% full last night from where I was sitting. There are some things that don't work as we'd like them yet, and some areas still closed, but well done to the NT (from me, anyway) for making it feel like a busy, welcoming space again.
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Post by teamyali on Dec 20, 2021 16:37:54 GMT
As of this moment, all of the NT productions have shut down till the New Year. The worst part is that they couldn’t even do a proper announcement that they cancelled Manor’s last remaining few runs.
Yikes…is the morale sinking lower? Now Hex’s NT Live is cancelled, but their other NT Live schedules are still pushing through.
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Post by youngoffender on Dec 20, 2021 22:38:17 GMT
The NT building has always been one of my favourite spaces in London, but in the last decade I can't count many times I have had a more rewarding time in one of its theatres than just sitting in the foyer with a coffee and a crossword. Frankenstein, One Man Two Guvnors, Curious Incident, Othello, Downstate, and Network are the highlights I can think of, but there have been many more shows where I have longed to be elsewhere.
The heart of the problem for the whole ACE-funded sector, I think, is the paucity of contemporary British writers who see plays (rather than novels) as their medium. It's a curse blighting the Royal Court in particular, because of its commitment to new work, but it spills over to the NT as well. What new plays there are tend to be agenda-led pieces with none of the scintillating dialogue, nuanced thought and complex character development that would make them live on the stage.
If you struggle to attract home-grown playwright talent, you need a creative but commercially astute focus on classics and revivals, and this is where I think the Norris era suffers most in comparison with his forebears. There's also a seeming reluctance to intervene at an early stage when a project is not working. To turn the ship around he should put a blockbuster Shakespeare or Chekhov in the Olivier, do Ionesco's Rhinoceros with a couple of stars in the Lyttleton, and focus on the exciting Americans for new work in the Dorfman, making sure he gets the next ones by Bruce Norris, Jackie Sibblies Drury and Lynn Nottage.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Dec 20, 2021 23:10:01 GMT
That’s an issue with the commissioning model and the cliqueness of theatre. There’s no lack of incredible playwrights (especially emerging playwrights), but the major theatres just won’t engage with them, or if they do engage it’s with so many restrictions and on such exploitative financial terms that talent walks away and either goes into TV or self-produces their own work.
The NT in particular has a problem with the disconnect between the Studio and the NT proper, the huge number of development commissions they do every year, and their insistence on rushing plays onto the stage before they’re ready. It’s honestly shocking that talented emerging playwrights (who have perhaps had critically acclaimed shows at the Bush, SWP, Vault, etc.) get rejected for not coming from the right background, not being willing to play the game, writing too many characters, writing outside their marketing stereotype, all sorts of BS reasons. Yet other playwrights will have productions greenlit and scheduled before they’ve even written a word.
Unless a show is created specifically to be improvised or devised or something there’s absolutely no reason to schedule a production run without seeing a script first.
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Post by londonpostie on Dec 20, 2021 23:15:53 GMT
I like the idea the problem is novels; reality is there's an enormous gold rush underway with regard streaming platforms, as well as a lively terrestrial response to streaming pitching and commissioning.
You might argue the last work at the Royal Court - our great home of new writing - just closed the longest pitch to Netflix in theatre history.
It's obviously complicated, and there are influential elephants in the room as well, but atm I just feel for Rufus Norris, his wife and everyone at the National who must be feeling the weight of their custodianship. They carry a huge burden which must affect judgement, relationships and health.
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Post by cavocado on Dec 21, 2021 11:16:46 GMT
I feel a bit baffled by the NT's apparent policy on new writing.
They sometimes do some big productions of second rate plays like Julie and I'm Not Running, which I can't imagine would have seen the light of day if they'd been written by unknowns.
Others which are potentially very good plays just don't seem to get enough development and re-writing before going into production (e.g. The Welkin, Rockets and Blue Lights), which seems a disservice to audiences, writers and the NT itself. Why does that happen? Is there some prohibition on asking writers to re-write?
And there is still a blind spot that allows posh insiders to write plays about hackneyed topics like rich people's relationship problems, as though it's something fresh and innovative (e.g. Hansard, Julie - again).
I go to most of the NT's new plays, and I mostly enjoy them, but I think they could be doing a lot better, both in terms of who is commissioned, and the way those plays are developed until ready for production. On the other hand, I think the NT audience is largely white, middle-class, and probably likes to see plays about people like themselves. Perhaps they'd also happily be a bit more adventurous if given a choice, and there's also a potential for attracting a new audience.
When you look at some of the new work that's done at e.g. the Royal Court, Soho, Bush, Hampstead and some regional theatres, there seem to be a lot of promising voices which the NT could be nurturing. I wonder if those who go into TV are doing that because they're chasing better money, or just the lack of development opportunity in theatre?
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Post by lynette on Dec 21, 2021 17:28:21 GMT
I’m amazed that the NT will schedule a run without seeing the script. Yes, Tom Stoppard maybe but other stuff? Well, explains a lot.
But I must take issue with another poster and the idea that white middle class people like to see plays about themselves. Eh? It just isn’t true. As for Hansard, yes it was a relationship but come one, he was an MP and they had lost a child. Much more than a relationship and anyway, what’s wrong with a relationship?
I think we need to have the talk………what do we mean by The National Theatre and what do we want it to put on? The canon including lesser known from the past, twentieth century, new writers, new plays from current writers, American plays, plays translated from other languages, experimental pieces, the list goes on but the only thing I am concerned with is quality. It has to be good. So someone has to tell Tom when his work isn’t and also champion the new person on the block when necessary. An inspired team of literary giants? No, just a thoroughly committed and knowledgeable team of people who know their stuff.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Dec 21, 2021 17:54:02 GMT
I seem to recall a Yes Minister episode where the idea of closing the National Theatre buildings and turning the company into a permanent touring organisation taking theatre to the masses rather than catering for the metropolitan elite of London.
I think the idea has merit. Make it a truly national company that reflects voices and audiences from all round England (Wales and Scotland already have their own National Theatres)
Turn the building into a hub for the arts in general but the primary function of the company should become delivering great live theatre all over the country. Not cinema broadcasts. Live theatre worthy of the National brand.
It would shake up the thinking and make future ADs think more about the work and less about managing a complex of buildings.
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Post by cavocado on Dec 21, 2021 19:30:04 GMT
I’m amazed that the NT will schedule a run without seeing the script. Yes, Tom Stoppard maybe but other stuff? Well, explains a lot. But I must take issue with another poster and the idea that white middle class people like to see plays about themselves. Eh? It just isn’t true. As for Hansard, yes it was a relationship but come one, he was an MP and they had lost a child. Much more than a relationship and anyway, what’s wrong with a relationship? I think we need to have the talk………what do we mean by The National Theatre and what do we want it to put on? The canon including lesser known from the past, twentieth century, new writers, new plays from current writers, American plays, plays translated from other languages, experimental pieces, the list goes on but the only thing I am concerned with is quality. It has to be good. So someone has to tell Tom when his work isn’t and also champion the new person on the block when necessary. An inspired team of literary giants? No, just a thoroughly committed and knowledgeable team of people who know their stuff. Re the white middle class comment, I also suggested they'd be happy to see a wider range of plays given the choice. I want variety as well as quality. I want a National Theatre to show me different aspects of the world I live in. Hence my comments about posh relationship plays. Nothing wrong with relationship plays per se, but I've seen many plays about posh people dissecting their personal lives, and each one takes up a slot that could be a play about another group of people or aspect of the world that is not so frequently written about. It just feels repetitive and I think only happens because upper middle class people are still often seen as 'neutral' rather than a specific social group.
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Post by Jan on Dec 21, 2021 20:53:03 GMT
My problem with NT under Norris is that for all his talk about diversity his range of programming is very much narrower than his predecessors. One result of this is that there’s rarely anything on of interest to me - no Jacobean or Restoration plays, very little Ibsen, Strinberg, Chekhov, Gorky or other European plays of that era, no farces, no Ayckbourn, no classic musicals - I could go on.
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Post by lynette on Dec 21, 2021 21:50:20 GMT
O irony 🤪
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Post by frankubelik on Dec 22, 2021 6:40:06 GMT
There has been absolutely nothing I have wanted to see there for years. I was "saved" from MANOR by Covid and recall the ABSOLUTE HELL revival being simply dreadful (that poor wordless actress circling the stage continuously was a joke). I will draw a veil over FOLLIES. It's terribly sad when I enjoyed so many past productions: THE CHILDREN'S HOUR, SWEET BIRD OF YOUTH, GHETTO, most of David Hare's work, WIND IN THE WILLOWS - or am I just getting old?
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Post by Jan on Dec 22, 2021 8:41:42 GMT
There has been absolutely nothing I have wanted to see there for years. - or am I just getting old? That must be partly it. However Norris is a problem, and he's pretty old himself. There are still things I want to see at The Bridge under Nicholas Hytner (alongside things I don't) as there were when he ran NT. My conclusion, inescapable really, is that Hytner is just a much better producer when it comes to appealing to a broad diverse audience. So was Peter Hall, and Trevor Nunn to an extent. Richard Eyre was maybe a bit more biased towards my own interests.
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