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Post by oxfordsimon on May 31, 2021 22:50:09 GMT
I really don't understand the love for the film version of Cabaret. The stage show has a real impact with a great production. The heart is the Schneider/Schultz relationship for me and that is just sidelined in the film.
I also don't by the Minelli/York relationship. It ends up boring me whenever I have tried to watch the film.
Joel Grey is good but his performance doesn't suit the medium of film.
I know many will brand me a heretic for not sharing the adoration for the film. But I miss too much from the original.
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Post by marob on May 31, 2021 23:20:10 GMT
I really don't understand the love for the film version of Cabaret. The stage show has a real impact with a great production. The heart is the Schneider/Schultz relationship for me and that is just sidelined in the film. I also don't by the Minelli/York relationship. It ends up boring me whenever I have tried to watch the film. Joel Grey is good but his performance doesn't suit the medium of film. I know many will brand me a heretic for not sharing the adoration for the film. But I miss too much from the original. I absolutely agree. I loved the Schneider/Schultz relationship. So What? in particular says so much about about German society at the time and the apathy that allowed the rise of the Nazis, and feels like it could have been written about now in some ways. |
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Post by danb on Jun 1, 2021 7:16:19 GMT
I don’t really like either if I’m honest. I enjoyed the Donmar production in the late 90’s; that was breathtaking, but I’ve never wanted to see it again. Not even Siobhan Dillon in Kenwrights tour a few years ago could get me there.
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Post by sfsusan on Jun 1, 2021 10:45:23 GMT
Yes. All the press releases are saying he will play the Emcee. It's also the male lead in the show. Thanks, that's what I originally thought, then wondered if I was assuming. I have a hard time picturing him as The Emcee. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 15:36:46 GMT
You cant compare the stage and film versions because they are not the same Cabaret. Yes Liza gives a great showstopping performance, but she's nothing like Sally is supposed to be.
As mentioned, Schneider and Schults are really the emotional heart of the piece and without them, it loses so much. And without them, you dont get the pineapples!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 1, 2021 16:35:41 GMT
But what is Sally supposed to be like? Yes I know she was a low rent, mediocre performer in the book (and the person she was based on in real life) but now it’s a musical. No one is going to portray the star of the show as a rubbish singer because nobody wants to see that. And because most people have seen the fantastic, dynamic not at all crap performer as portrayed by Liza the expectations are sky high. How can any production resolve the problem of her being crap, whilst satisfying the fundamental requirements of a musical?
Does anyone really want to see a dirty looking Sally Bowles croaking out Maybe This Time? No.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Jun 1, 2021 17:07:36 GMT
Does anyone really want to see a dirty looking Sally Bowles croaking out Maybe This Time? No. Except the Broadway audience who saw the Sam Mendes' revival running for 6+1 years with mostly non belting Sallies? Or John Kander himself saying Judi Dench is the best Sally he has ever seen? Or more generally the audiences of most post-movie revivals which had healthy runs without powerhouse belters both in London and on Broadway? |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 1, 2021 17:32:14 GMT
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 1, 2021 17:34:49 GMT
Point taken. But try taking a production of Cabaret out on tour with a non singing lead and watch it bomb.
Actually I think that already happened with Louse Redknapp 😬
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Post by Being Alive on Jun 1, 2021 18:01:33 GMT
But what is Sally supposed to be like? Yes I know she was a low rent, mediocre performer in the book (and the person she was based on in real life) but now it’s a musical. No one is going to portray the star of the show as a rubbish singer because nobody wants to see that. And because most people have seen the fantastic, dynamic not at all crap performer as portrayed by Liza the expectations are sky high. How can any production resolve the problem of her being crap, whilst satisfying the fundamental requirements of a musical? Does anyone really want to see a dirty looking Sally Bowles croaking out Maybe This Time? No. I mean, Michelle Williams is in no way a convential park and bark singer, she's an actress who can sing well enough. And I thought she was superb. And same for Judi Dench, not a singer, but Sally Bowles if ever there was. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 20:55:12 GMT
The OLCR (Judi Dench and Peter Sallis) is my go to recording.
Sally is a singer, just not a great one, though Jane Horrocks couldn't even be called that at the Donmar.
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Post by distantcousin on Jun 4, 2021 13:19:35 GMT
I did. Along with the world and his wife. I must be the cousin thrice removed then because i wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. I don’t care what starry actors are involved. In my humble opinion this show does not work on stage. It is a poor watch. Watch Liza in the film instead it will be more satisfying and you’ll not feel cheated. GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  |
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Post by distantcousin on Jun 4, 2021 13:22:28 GMT
I really don't understand the love for the film version of Cabaret. The stage show has a real impact with a great production. The heart is the Schneider/Schultz relationship for me and that is just sidelined in the film. I also don't by the Minelli/York relationship. It ends up boring me whenever I have tried to watch the film. Joel Grey is good but his performance doesn't suit the medium of film. I know many will brand me a heretic for not sharing the adoration for the film. But I miss too much from the original. I watched the film last year for the first time in years and (outside of the Kit Kat Club scenes) had forgotten how DULL it is!!!!!!!! Fritz and Natalia are as dull as ditchwater and can't hold a candle to Schneider, Schultz or even Kost!!! Liza is a great new interpretation of Sally (an inauthentic one, but very entertaining). |
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Post by distantcousin on Jun 4, 2021 13:24:18 GMT
Does anyone really want to see a dirty looking Sally Bowles croaking out Maybe This Time? No. The Sam Mendes Broadway version came very close to achieving that. I will never forget the haunted look of Natasha Richardson. |
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Post by distantcousin on Jun 4, 2021 13:27:11 GMT
Point taken. But try taking a production of Cabaret out on tour with a non singing lead and watch it bomb. Actually I think that already happened with Louse Redknapp 😬 I maintain you have to be a DAMN good actress to play Sally Bowles successfully. Louise is not an actress. It is an acting role first, singing role second. Hence why Anna Maxwell Martin was superlative in the 2000's. And why Jessie Buckley will be ideal for the role this year. (although I would say her vocal and acting talents are equally strong) |
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Post by sfsusan on Jun 4, 2021 15:25:00 GMT
I watched the film last year for the first time in years and (outside of the Kit Kat Club scenes) had forgotten how DULL it is!!!!!!!! Fritz and Natalia are as dull as ditchwater and can't hold a candle to Schneider, Schultz or even Kost!!! I agree. I'd remembered it as much more thrilling, edgy, and sexy than it is. I actually turned it off in what had been my favorite scene, the slow-dance a trois. |
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Post by distantcousin on Jun 4, 2021 15:30:36 GMT
I watched the film last year for the first time in years and (outside of the Kit Kat Club scenes) had forgotten how DULL it is!!!!!!!! Fritz and Natalia are as dull as ditchwater and can't hold a candle to Schneider, Schultz or even Kost!!! I agree. I'd remembered it as much more thrilling, edgy, and sexy than it is. I actually turned it off in what had been my favorite scene, the slow-dance a trois.
I think that it possibly looks very tame now in retrospect. Especially since TV shows etc since have depicted that era far more authentically, given less stringent censors
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Post by couldileaveyou on Jun 10, 2021 15:46:42 GMT
The officially confirmed it is at the Playhouse Theatre
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jun 10, 2021 20:29:57 GMT
Told ya.
Shall I reveal some additional casting? Hmmmm
M
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Post by marob on Jun 10, 2021 20:51:06 GMT
Told ya. Shall I reveal some additional casting? Hmmmm M Surely they’re not bringing Dench back as Schneider? Are they? Or is it just someone who’s name starts with M? |
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Post by theatrelover123 on Jun 10, 2021 21:08:53 GMT
Liza MINNELLI!!!!! OMG!!!
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Jun 10, 2021 21:15:40 GMT
Oh god I'm already terrified by the likely price of stalls tickets, I don't need any other huge names in the cast to drive up prices even more!
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Post by theatrelover123 on Jun 10, 2021 21:18:12 GMT
Maria Friedman
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Post by theatrelover123 on Jun 10, 2021 21:18:42 GMT
Maureen Lipman
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 10, 2021 21:19:36 GMT
Madonna!
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Post by theatrelover123 on Jun 10, 2021 21:20:14 GMT
Michael Ball!
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Post by showtoones on Jun 10, 2021 21:38:40 GMT
Told ya. Shall I reveal some additional casting? Hmmmm M DUH!! LOL. Mr. B has his finger on the pulse...and we want to reap the benefits |
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Post by theatrelover123 on Jun 10, 2021 21:38:41 GMT
Mick Hucknell!!
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Post by alece10 on Jun 11, 2021 7:54:05 GMT
Miriam Margolyes
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2021 11:41:01 GMT
If M is the clue, Judi Dench makes most sense even though she's twenty years too old for the role, but then again it's a kind of ageless part, open to interpretation. It reminds me of Angela Lansbury doing A Little Night Music. Also makes sense given her history with the show, originating Sally in London, and also recording Schneider for JAY's complete Cabaret in the '90s (opposite Fred Ebb of all people!)... she also matches the heft of Eddie Redmayne, another Oscar-winning movie star name, with Jessie Buckley, a (rising? half risen?) stage/TV/movie star name... Speaking of movie stars, Saoirse Ronan strikes me as much more of a typical Sally than Buckley - I'd prefer to see her in Cabaret than Macbeth, but anyway...
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