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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 29, 2021 20:24:19 GMT
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Post by n1david on Apr 29, 2021 20:41:04 GMT
Gives ITV a headache too given they're halfway through a flagship drama with him as the lead.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 29, 2021 20:48:51 GMT
Oh yes. A brief pause may be in order.
I am usually able to separate the art from the person but I know many who do not believe you should.
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Post by marob on Apr 29, 2021 22:27:41 GMT
The piece on the Guardian’s website is worth reading. It’s fairly long and they absolutely crucify him.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 29, 2021 22:30:40 GMT
It wouldn't come as any surprise for all the allegations to be true.
What is much harder to fathom is why BAFTA didn't act before handing over the award.
They knew about the allegations. And appear to have done nothing.
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 29, 2021 22:40:24 GMT
I'm usually in the camp of innocent until proven guilty. That said, twenty accusations is damning, and I say that as someone who loves Clarke's films.
Interesting that BAFTA knew about the allegations but gave him the award anyway.
Also spare a thought for Adam Deacon. He won the BAFTA rising star award and when he made his own film Anuvahood, Clarke destroyed his career and Deacon was effectively blacklisted.
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Apr 29, 2021 23:30:01 GMT
Horrifying. Sickening.
The Guardian article writes that BAFTA knew about this. I have to say that I believe the article. They wouldn’t just publish something with no facts especially with something as big as this. 20 women. 20 brave women. There will be more. He targeted women in all roles in film/tv.
So to save face BAFTA didn’t withdraw Clarke’s award. I can’t understand that mentality. It’s vile. They had ample time. After Harvey Weinstein - it’s not just the predators that need to be held accountable, it’s everyone. People obviously knew long ago that his bullying and sexual harassment was a thing.
He was even on the One Show (pre recorded VT) for this young playwright scheme they’re doing for the new Shakespeare North theatre earlier this evening. Didn’t an ITV drama with his involvement launch hours later? He’s everywhere.
I just bet there will be comments saying, ‘oh such a shame, he’s an amazing actor,’ or #notallmen trending on social media.
If you’re going to even think about posting something similar on here, I implore you to REALLY THINK...and don’t. His creative skills don’t even come into the discussion. And agreed re Adam Deacon. It’s sad what happened to him.
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 29, 2021 23:47:53 GMT
And agreed re Adam Deacon. It’s sad what happened to him. Deacon seems to be doing well these days, he was in a play a few years ago and has been in a few films recently. Really pleased for him. It was the bit about Clarke and his business partner Jason Maza frantically contacting people, saying their production company will be "done" if the article was published. What a vile man. Also what an incredible piece of investigative journalism. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 29, 2021 23:54:54 GMT
Heads will have to roll at BAFTA. It was a serious error of judgement at best.
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Post by alittlefallofrain on Apr 30, 2021 0:05:38 GMT
I, too, am usually very much a firm believer of innocent until proven guilty but how can I realistically doubt twenty different women?
I am so disappointed. Not often do these allegations shock me nowadays but I am very sad about this and I feel just awful for the women who had to live such a horrendous experience.
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Apr 30, 2021 6:46:49 GMT
I, too, am usually very much a firm believer of innocent until proven guilty but how can I realistically doubt twenty different women? I am so disappointed. Not often do these allegations shock me nowadays but I am very sad about this and I feel just awful for the women who had to live such a horrendous experience. His wife. How must she feel? Awful. People often forget about the effect on the family. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 30, 2021 6:57:47 GMT
Please could members remember that these are allegations. No one has been charged or found guilty and posts must reflect that fact.
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 30, 2021 7:36:22 GMT
Yes, but twenty independent allegations with witnesses is quite different from one or two.
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Post by kathryn on Apr 30, 2021 9:44:18 GMT
And agreed re Adam Deacon. It’s sad what happened to him. Deacon seems to be doing well these days, he was in a play a few years ago and has been in a few films recently. Really pleased for him. It was the bit about Clarke and his business partner Jason Maza frantically contacting people, saying their production company will be "done" if the article was published. What a vile man. Also what an incredible piece of investigative journalism. Uh huh. If he hadn’t done anything dodgy to anyone, how would they know who to contact?! Clearly Clarke knew who had reason to complain about his behaviour. Seeing a very Spacey-esque ‘at last!’ response on Twitter. Well-known actors amplifying the story and confirming that they’d heard about or experienced similar behaviour. A lot of it is the sort of stuff you couldn’t actually take someone to court for - it’s at the level of HR instead of criminal investigation. So we’re unlikely to see him ‘found guilty’ in a court of law. |
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 30, 2021 9:47:57 GMT
Deacon seems to be doing well these days, he was in a play a few years ago and has been in a few films recently. Really pleased for him. It was the bit about Clarke and his business partner Jason Maza frantically contacting people, saying their production company will be "done" if the article was published. What a vile man. Also what an incredible piece of investigative journalism. Uh huh. If he hadn’t done anything dodgy to anyone, how would they know who to contact?! Clearly Clarke knew who had reason to complain about his behaviour. That was my first thought. It's funny how he couldn't recall any of the allegations, yet knew exactly who to call before the article came out. If that isn't proof I don't know what is. |
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Apr 30, 2021 10:40:16 GMT
Uh huh. If he hadn’t done anything dodgy to anyone, how would they know who to contact?! Clearly Clarke knew who had reason to complain about his behaviour. That was my first thought. It's funny how he couldn't recall any of the allegations, yet knew exactly who to call before the article came out. If that isn't proof I don't know what is. Shady as. I don’t believe for one second that you would feign denial of ever knowing what is deemed inappropriate behaviour. Like common sense would prevail? Evidently not. |
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Post by n1david on Apr 30, 2021 10:45:30 GMT
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 30, 2021 10:52:55 GMT
The Guardian article is one of the boldest exposures of wrongdoing in the arts that I have ever seen. So much on the record detail with corroboration is impossible to dismiss.
The police need to investigate this as thoroughly as possible as even with a 30 year old law degree I can see a number of incidents that clearly could count as crimes.
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Post by crowblack on Apr 30, 2021 11:12:10 GMT
On a related point, it's time reviewers, directors and others in the industry stopped heaping extra praise on young actors who do nude scenes, how it shows their utter 'commitment' to the role, how 'real' they're prepared to be, their courage etc.. This sort of language is coercive and must put pressure on a young actor (implying as it does an actor who has qualms is somehow a coward or less committed to their art), and we have seen many instances of actresses in particular saying they felt pressured into doing certain nude scenes early in their careers.
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 30, 2021 11:12:52 GMT
The Guardian article is one of the boldest exposures of wrongdoing in the arts that I have ever seen. So much on the record detail with corroboration is impossible to dismiss. The police need to investigate this as thoroughly as possible as even with a 30 year old law degree I can see a number of incidents that clearly could count as crimes. Not only that, but it appears there is evidence including photographs that was produced to the journalists, not to mention all the eyewitness accounts. |
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Post by princeton on Apr 30, 2021 12:09:05 GMT
The Guardian article is one of the boldest exposures of wrongdoing in the arts that I have ever seen. So much on the record detail with corroboration is impossible to dismiss. Indeed a brilliant piece of rigorous investigative journalism, and carried out over a very short period of time. Very well done to Sirin Kale, Lucy Osborne and The Guardian for doing such a great job but mainly for providing the opportunity for the victims to have their voices heard. |
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 30, 2021 12:28:05 GMT
Statement from Bulletproof co-creator/co-star Ashley Walters:
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Post by marob on Apr 30, 2021 12:37:23 GMT
Can’t help thinking that statement from Ashley Walters’ lawyer or PR firm stating how shocked and saddened he is, is hilarious considering his own run ins with the law.
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Post by cherokee on Apr 30, 2021 13:03:07 GMT
It looks as if John Barrowman is getting drawn into this as well, thanks to a clip from a Doctor Who convention which is circulating on Twitter in which Clarke tells an anecdote about Barrowman exposing himself.
It has baffled me for years that Barrowman got away with this kind of behaviour. Hopefully this will give him pause for thought as well.
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 30, 2021 13:25:58 GMT
It looks as if John Barrowman is getting drawn into this as well, thanks to a clip from a Doctor Who convention which is circulating on Twitter in which Clarke tells an anecdote about Barrowman exposing himself. It has baffled me for years that Barrowman got away with this kind of behaviour. Hopefully this will give him pause for thought as well. That video is awful on every level. Clarke revelling in re-enacting it with the microphone, dragging it out way too long, Camille Coduri and Annette Badland looking incredibly uncomfortable. |
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