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Post by danb on Apr 26, 2021 9:17:59 GMT
It looks absolutely stunning. Can't take my eyes off Ariana DeBose and the ensemble dancers, they all look fantastic. And Rita Moreno singing Somewhere really got me, hope that is in the film and not just on the soundtrack or over the credits. Can't wait for December! I watched it earlier and wondered if it’s a shot for shot remake like Gus Van Sant did with Psycho a few years back. It looks utterly gorgeous but incredibly similar to the original (especially the colour palette and the look of the film) If it isn’t bringing anything new to the table (other than different performers) why do it? I genuinely don’t get it? Perhaps Spielberg is frustrated with the younger generations refusal to believe that anything of worth was created before 1990, and wants to create a jumping off point for them? Is anything on paper in terms of his reason for making it? Well for a start it's bringing proper Latinx talent to the screen rather than white actors in dark make-up. That alone is reason enough to do another version of it (because that's what this is, not a like for like remake - you can see that from the trailer alone with the shot of America being in a daytime street setting with Anita in a completely different dress), never mind Tony Kushner's rewrites, new choreography and a whole new generation of talent getting their opportunity and bringing the show to a new generation. It's a really lazy argument to say "why do it" just because the original was good. It's like saying once a play has been produced once on stage it should never be done again - think how ridiculous that sounds! No one version of any show or film has a monopoly over that content, and not everything has to be an original. If you don't see the point then don't watch it, but there is and should always be room for different interpretations of the same piece of art. This is quite an aggressive response to a series of genuine questions, although you have answered some of them. Thank you. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 9:29:27 GMT
This is quite an aggressive response to a series of genuine questions, although you have answered some of them. Thank you. Sorry, I didn't intend it to come across as aggressive, I was just a bit surprised at your original comment, particularly given it came from you. I don't see how anyone who's ever seen a revival or new production of a play could really say they don't get the point of doing a new version of anything. There's a difference between whether or not each individual wants to see it and whether it has a place in the artistic landscape, which evidently remakes do given people have been putting on productions of Shakespeare for over 500 years. |
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Post by Someone in a tree on Apr 26, 2021 9:32:14 GMT
Looks great I can't wait
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Post by danb on Apr 26, 2021 9:49:58 GMT
This is quite an aggressive response to a series of genuine questions, although you have answered some of them. Thank you. Sorry, I didn't intend it to come across as aggressive, I was just a bit surprised at your original comment, particularly given it came from you. I don't see how anyone who's ever seen a revival or new production of a play could really say they don't get the point of doing a new version of anything. There's a difference between whether or not each individual wants to see it and whether it has a place in the artistic landscape, which evidently remakes do given people have been putting on productions of Shakespeare for over 500 years. I think it was the amount of money and hours that must have gone into making it that surprised me, for it to come out looking so similar. I totally get it on stage as it is in the now and not ‘recorded’ but the original film is so iconic that I would have expected something a bit more radical if they were going to spend the money. I love that it is cast authentically and had not really thought of that being such a key reason to remake it. Now if they’d just remake Grease with actual teenagers. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 10:15:55 GMT
Sorry, I didn't intend it to come across as aggressive, I was just a bit surprised at your original comment, particularly given it came from you. I don't see how anyone who's ever seen a revival or new production of a play could really say they don't get the point of doing a new version of anything. There's a difference between whether or not each individual wants to see it and whether it has a place in the artistic landscape, which evidently remakes do given people have been putting on productions of Shakespeare for over 500 years. I think it was the amount of money and hours that must have gone into making it that surprised me, for it to come out looking so similar. I totally get it on stage as it is in the now and not ‘recorded’ but the original film is so iconic that I would have expected something a bit more radical if they were going to spend the money. I love that it is cast authentically and had not really thought of that being such a key reason to remake it. Now if they’d just remake Grease with actual teenagers. I've read a few comments that it looks more gritty than the original as well, and from what I've read the intention is that it will be Spielberg's vision of WSS rather than a carbon copy. Some of it I suppose will inevitably look similar as they haven't changed all the choreography (or Maria's white dress, but I guess there is symbolism in that!), but I saw an interview with Rachel Zegler where she mentioned a new scene, and one with Ariana DeBose where she talked about Spielberg using suggestions from the cast, so I have faith it will be a fresh new adaptation. |
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Post by johartuk on Apr 26, 2021 10:47:39 GMT
It looks grittier/more realistically shot (i.e.on actual streets/in actual buildings rather than on sets) than the original. I like that. Also, good to see it authentically cast. Having Rita singing in the trailer is a lovely and poignant touch.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Apr 26, 2021 11:35:39 GMT
What a thrilling trailer! Count me in.
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Post by TheatreBoard on Apr 26, 2021 12:04:48 GMT
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Post by princeton on Apr 26, 2021 12:13:00 GMT
I suspect the trailer is deliberately cut to, in some ways, resemble the 1961 version as its aim, at this stage, is to pique as much interest as possible, from those familiar with the previous one and from new audiences. I expect as we get nearer the release date there were be more and longer extracts which will show the differences between the two versions.
Even if there are similarities, and how can there not be really, the casting (in terms of being authentically diverse as well as having people who are actually doing their own singing) and the changes in cinema technology in the last 60 years will make it a very different film. And how fantastic that one of cinema's all-time great directors is at the helm - which too often hasn't been the case with recent film musicals.
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Post by FairyGodmother on Apr 26, 2021 12:35:06 GMT
We got four A Star is Borns in that time, so I'm quite happy with a second West Side Story! Although something more cheerful than a bittersweet tragedy would be nice...
I do like the idea of it being seen by a new audience as well, with people actually their age in it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 18:24:12 GMT
Wow recommended on YouTube
1961 and 2021 trailers
Near identical blocking
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 18:37:42 GMT
Sorry, I didn't intend it to come across as aggressive, I was just a bit surprised at your original comment, particularly given it came from you. I don't see how anyone who's ever seen a revival or new production of a play could really say they don't get the point of doing a new version of anything. There's a difference between whether or not each individual wants to see it and whether it has a place in the artistic landscape, which evidently remakes do given people have been putting on productions of Shakespeare for over 500 years. I think it was the amount of money and hours that must have gone into making it that surprised me, for it to come out looking so similar. I totally get it on stage as it is in the now and not ‘recorded’ but the original film is so iconic that I would have expected something a bit more radical if they were going to spend the money. I love that it is cast authentically and had not really thought of that being such a key reason to remake it. Now if they’d just remake Grease with actual teenagers. You could argue whats the point in spending £6million restaging the same production of Phantom in London if your not really going to do anything radical with it. But there's plenty of people gushing over it before its already opened... |
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Post by danb on Apr 26, 2021 19:03:08 GMT
I think it was the amount of money and hours that must have gone into making it that surprised me, for it to come out looking so similar. I totally get it on stage as it is in the now and not ‘recorded’ but the original film is so iconic that I would have expected something a bit more radical if they were going to spend the money. I love that it is cast authentically and had not really thought of that being such a key reason to remake it. Now if they’d just remake Grease with actual teenagers. You could argue whats the point in spending £6million restaging the same production of Phantom in London if your not really going to do anything radical with it. But there's plenty of people gushing over it before its already opened... No there aren’t. They are waiting to see rather than assuming they know everything about everything, and basing it on an existing template. Best not to assume eh? |
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Post by princeton on Apr 26, 2021 19:57:00 GMT
That's not the original 1961 trailer. It's footage taken from the 1961 film cut to match the 2021 trailer - so it's little surprise that there seems to be quite a lot of similarities.
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Post by JJShaw on Apr 26, 2021 20:57:54 GMT
Wow recommended on YouTube 1961 and 2021 trailers Near identical blocking Thats so cool! Personally apart from some great cinematic shots I thought the teaser trailer was really odd to juxtapose action shots with this quiet music, WSS isn't a show for me but I think this will be a good adaptation, and considering some of the recent bad movie musicals im all for a good one! |
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Post by alittlefallofrain on Apr 26, 2021 22:13:34 GMT
It looks really beautiful but I can't see the point of what appears to be an almost shot for shot remake, with even the costumes being at least sometimes identical.
When this was announced I was actually excited because I think WSS can be told in many different ways but thus far I can't understand the purpose of this project, although then again it can only be a good thing to have this story told without anyone doing brownface so maybe that's the reason?
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Post by FairyGodmother on Apr 26, 2021 22:22:59 GMT
I've done a bit of reading and it says it's going to be closer to the musical than the 1961 film was. I've never seen it on stage though so don't really know what that will mean for if.
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Post by alittlefallofrain on Apr 26, 2021 22:24:17 GMT
Just saw someone on Twitter hoping for a happy ending in this one...hopefully they aren't being serious. Very hard to tell with Twitter!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 22:38:21 GMT
I hope there's at least 1 finger click in the new version. (You know, the thing that made the gangs so threatening in the original) But seriously, i do hope it's in there. Somewhere. It's iconic!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 22:55:42 GMT
It looks really beautiful but I can't see the point of what appears to be an almost shot for shot remake, with even the costumes being at least sometimes identical. It isn't - read the thread and watch the trailer, there are shots and costumes in there that don't match the original. I do wish people would do their own research before criticising! It's making me sound far more defensive about this film than I ever intended to be, but it doesn't take much internet research to work out how this is going to be different from the original instead of assuming it won't be. |
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Post by alittlefallofrain on Apr 27, 2021 3:09:12 GMT
I wasn't so much as critcising, but expressing disappointment. I would really like it if this movie surprised me and I enjoyed it but so far I'm not entirely convinced. I'm attempting to keep an open mind because I adore the music so much.
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Post by FairyGodmother on Apr 27, 2021 7:26:53 GMT
I wonder if they'll add a new song for the Oscars.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2021 9:51:05 GMT
I wonder if they'll add a new song for the Oscars. I don’t see how, Bernstein has been dead 30 years. Oscar rules state a new song must have been written specifically for the movie it appears in - Come What May from Moulin Rouge was ineligible as it was originally written for Romeo & Juliet and thus ineligible. They could use an unused song from the development phase of the musical, but it wouldn’t be eligible for an Oscar. The only way would be for Sondheim to write both music and lyrics to a new song but I don’t know that he would. Anyone could write a new song for the end credits, doesn't have to be Sondheim. End credits songs qualify so it doesn't have to affect the story in any way. But I'm not convinced they will have done so in this case. |
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Post by fluxcapacitor on Apr 28, 2021 10:29:27 GMT
Wow recommended on YouTube 1961 and 2021 trailers Near identical blocking Nice find, and a good watch. But even knowing the footage from 1960 has been matched with the 2021 trailer footage, I don't personally watch that and see identical blocking at all. In fact, I think it shows the exact opposite. The same beats are there (of course they are, it's the same source material) but apart from a few individual solo character shots most of the camera angles and makeup of the footage is different. It's like any musical revival really - there are always going to be similarities, maybe some "identical" looking moments, possibly some knowing nods to the original production, but that can all be evident even when most of the sets, blocking, instrumentations and interpretations differ. Now the Psycho 1998 remake - *that* was identical blocking. Almost shot for shot. This is just a new interpretation of a same musical as shot by a different director. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 11:29:19 GMT
Wow recommended on YouTube 1961 and 2021 trailers Near identical blocking Nice find, and a good watch. But even knowing the footage from 1960 has been matched with the 2021 trailer footage, I don't personally watch that and see identical blocking at all. In fact, I think it shows the exact opposite. The same beats are there (of course they are, it's the same source material) but apart from a few individual solo character shots most of the camera angles and makeup of the footage is different. It's like any musical revival really - there are always going to be similarities, maybe some "identical" looking moments, possibly some knowing nods to the original production, but that can all be evident even when most of the sets, blocking, instrumentations and interpretations differ. Now the Psycho 1998 remake - *that* was identical blocking. Almost shot for shot. This is just a new interpretation of a same musical as shot by a different director. I think the word i was looking for was 'frames', frame by frame identical trailers, theatre is my area not cinema. I don't think they will be identical but I think Spielberg will definitely employ nostalgia and I think the trailer plays to that especially for older audiences. |
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