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Post by austink on Aug 4, 2022 9:32:51 GMT
Yeah that’s an odd game of chicken to play. They may have thought Netflix wouldn’t find it worthwhile to sue. This provides a bit more detail (if it's true)
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Post by sophie92 on Aug 9, 2022 17:17:06 GMT
The Royal Albert Hall concert has now been cancelled
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Post by oxfordsimon on Aug 9, 2022 17:30:25 GMT
Inevitable under the circumstances
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Post by max on Aug 9, 2022 22:01:30 GMT
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 9, 2022 22:40:37 GMT
They got greedy and cocky and have been slapped down by corporate law.
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Post by singingbird on Aug 10, 2022 15:40:09 GMT
If I was them, I'd capitalise on the fact they're in the spotlight by creating a new musical about their battle to stage a musical about Bridgerton. It could include elements of the score of their current musical = the songs they think are strongest - but they'd be telling their own story in a totally original way. They're unlikely to ever get this much attention again, so they should make use of it!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 10, 2022 17:22:00 GMT
If I was them, I'd capitalise on the fact they're in the spotlight by creating a new musical about their battle to stage a musical about Bridgerton. It could include elements of the score of their current musical = the songs they think are strongest - but they'd be telling their own story in a totally original way. They're unlikely to ever get this much attention again, so they should make use of it! Genius idea. And one I might support if I wasn’t already completely sick to death of them! 🙂
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Post by austink on Aug 10, 2022 18:21:28 GMT
I think they would need to be careful as doing a show about violating copyright isn’t the best way to get around a court case and not going to magically fix your prior predicament If I was them, I'd capitalise on the fact they're in the spotlight by creating a new musical about their battle to stage a musical about Bridgerton. It could include elements of the score of their current musical = the songs they think are strongest - but they'd be telling their own story in a totally original way. They're unlikely to ever get this much attention again, so they should make use of it!
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Post by ceebee on Aug 10, 2022 23:43:08 GMT
I think they would need to be careful as doing a show about violating copyright isn’t the best way to get around a court case and not going to magically fix your prior predicament If I was them, I'd capitalise on the fact they're in the spotlight by creating a new musical about their battle to stage a musical about Bridgerton. It could include elements of the score of their current musical = the songs they think are strongest - but they'd be telling their own story in a totally original way. They're unlikely to ever get this much attention again, so they should make use of it! That's one view, admittedly, but what everybody on this thread really wants to know is: What does EulenSpiegel think?
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Post by inthenose on Aug 11, 2022 1:34:01 GMT
I think they would need to be careful as doing a show about violating copyright isn’t the best way to get around a court case and not going to magically fix your prior predicament That's one view, admittedly, but what everybody on this thread really wants to know is: What does EulenSpiegel think? I think it’s very clear what EulenSpiegel thinks.
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Post by og on Aug 11, 2022 11:04:14 GMT
Some stories have a happy ending
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Post by eulenspiegel on Aug 12, 2022 14:27:25 GMT
That's one view, admittedly, but what everybody on this thread really wants to know is: What does EulenSpiegel think? I think it’s very clear what EulenSpiegel thinks. I think that is is not so easy...in reality nothing changed...a show was not possible...very likely this whole legal circus will take some time... We still have only the deadline article...the rest is all only copy&paste...speculation. Barlow & Bear (very likely on their lawyers advise) made one big mistake...staying silent...an absolute No Go in todays Social Media sh*tstorm world. Even a simple statement that proclaims they did nothing wrong and asking everyone to reserve judgment until all the facts have been revealed would have done wonders. I find it interesting that the likes and positive comments by Chris van Dusen and Ellen Mirojnick on Emily Bear’s insta are still there...so in a kind of way...the creatives of the series are showing Shonda Rimes the middle finger...are not amused about the lawsuit. My point is...we should all wait before starting a witch hunt..
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Post by eulenspiegel on Aug 12, 2022 14:39:50 GMT
Some stories have a happy ending I don‘t think that Netflix is the problem...but Shonda Rimes... „In March 2022, following Barlow & Bear’s Grammy nomination, Netflix reached out—again—to reiterate the lines. Barlow & Bear’s representative assured Netflix that they did not have any Bridgerton-related plans other than the Grammy nomination and any follow-up interviews if they were to win.“ Shonda Rimes was very likely pissed about the nomination...and praying that they won‘t win...but they won...and Shonda Rimes despite many nominations ...nothing, nada. Now this 20 yo brat Emily Bear has a Grammy and an Emmy (LA region)...and Shonda Rimes still nothing. Her ego is hurt...“Ego is just overdriven insecurity“ (Quincy Jones) Her own Bridgerton Experiences are trash...fast food Oh I forgot ...very likely Inon Zur ...Syberia video game score is a favorite for a Grammy in 2023...and who played the piano... so perhaps next year 2nd Grammy ...or at least involved...and Shonda Rimes still having a tantrum.
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Post by Jon on Aug 12, 2022 14:44:09 GMT
The fact the OP is defending Barlow & Bear and slagging off Shonda Rhimes does make me think they're either Barlow or Bear or perhaps someone who works for them.
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Post by eulenspiegel on Aug 12, 2022 14:49:11 GMT
The fact the OP is defending Barlow & Bear and slagging off Shonda Rhimes does make me think they're either Barlow or Bear or perhaps someone who works for them. No it is only logical...read the lawsuit...watch the Bridgerton Experience video... injured vanity can be very dangerous
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Post by og on Aug 12, 2022 15:02:22 GMT
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Post by eulenspiegel on Aug 12, 2022 15:10:08 GMT
I posted a few things more...I defending both...because we all still don’t know nothing...Amber Heard claimed a lot...Trump is still claiming that the election was stolen..even with lawsuits.., But this is not how a legal system should work...not the person who screams the loudest, has the biggest influence, the best marketing strategy...should win...but who really acted according to law. And we still don‘t know.
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Post by stuartmcd on Aug 12, 2022 17:05:08 GMT
The duos silence is deafening.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 12, 2022 17:13:18 GMT
The duos silence is deafening. Someone must be advising them not to comment. I’m not sure that’s good advice. I mean, don’t say anything incriminating but after putting it about relentlessly on SM for the last year just going off-grid like this makes them look guilty AF
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2022 17:24:02 GMT
People defending B&B and blaming the people who created Bridgerton is quite incredible. B&B have no rights over bridgerton, it's never been their property. Saying those who did create it and own the rights are jealous is so misjudged and disrespectful.
Any creatives who see someone else take their creation and use it to boost their career and profit off of would be annoyed.
B&B knew what they were doing, they could have written a show about anything but chose the biggest tv show in the world. They could have left it as a fun tiktok thing, but no they chose to go bigger and bigger.
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Post by Jon on Aug 12, 2022 18:17:12 GMT
People defending B&B and blaming the people who created Bridgerton is quite incredible. B&B have no rights over bridgerton, it's never been their property. Saying those who did create it and own the rights are jealous is so misjudged and disrespectful. Any creatives who see someone else take their creation and use it to boost their career and profit off of would be annoyed. B&B knew what they were doing, they could have written a show about anything but chose the biggest tv show in the world. They could have left it as a fun tiktok thing, but no they chose to go bigger and bigger. It also shows a real lack of understanding of copyright law as well. Shonda Rhimes is an award winning producer, she knows her stuff.
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Post by ceebee on Aug 12, 2022 18:38:31 GMT
The duos silence is deafening. Someone must be advising them not to comment. I’m not sure that’s good advice. I mean, don’t say anything incriminating but after putting it about relentlessly on SM for the last year just going off-grid like this makes them look guilty AF "Guilty AF - the musical" The stolen story of a stolen story, played out through social media in period costume, with a 'Cabaret' style German sub-plot. Anybody want to collaborate?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2022 19:07:06 GMT
The should also have the Grammy taken away from them. A respected creative industry award committee rewarding IP infringement is really not a good look.
IP infringement happens all the time (just look on Etsy) but it's time people learned that you can't just steal other people's ideas and creations to profit off of.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 12, 2022 19:22:12 GMT
Someone must be advising them not to comment. I’m not sure that’s good advice. I mean, don’t say anything incriminating but after putting it about relentlessly on SM for the last year just going off-grid like this makes them look guilty AF "Guilty AF - the musical" The stolen story of a stolen story, played out through social media in period costume, with a 'Cabaret' style German sub-plot. Anybody want to collaborate? I’ll be needing a seat in the stalls for under £100. Hope that’s ok!
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Post by Jon on Aug 12, 2022 19:27:12 GMT
The should also have the Grammy taken away from them. A respected creative industry award committee rewarding IP infringement is really not a good look. IP infringement happens all the time (just look on Etsy) but it's time people learned that you can't just steal other people's ideas and creations to profit off of. Copyright infringement is quite common in the music industry, look at how many songs use samples without the original artists' permission only for them to be credited and get royalties once it becomes a success,
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Post by stagebyte on Aug 12, 2022 19:35:07 GMT
The should also have the Grammy taken away from them. A respected creative industry award committee rewarding IP infringement is really not a good look. IP infringement happens all the time (just look on Etsy) but it's time people learned that you can't just steal other people's ideas and creations to profit off of. ALW’s Cinderella might get it by default 😂 That’d be a turn up for the books
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Post by austink on Aug 12, 2022 19:41:33 GMT
This isn’t sampling. The should also have the Grammy taken away from them. A respected creative industry award committee rewarding IP infringement is really not a good look. IP infringement happens all the time (just look on Etsy) but it's time people learned that you can't just steal other people's ideas and creations to profit off of. Copyright infringement is quite common in the music industry, look at how many songs use samples without the original artists' permission only for them to be credited and get royalties once it becomes a success,
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Post by og on Aug 12, 2022 19:49:56 GMT
The should also have the Grammy taken away from them. A respected creative industry award committee rewarding IP infringement is really not a good look. IP infringement happens all the time (just look on Etsy) but it's time people learned that you can't just steal other people's ideas and creations to profit off of. Copyright infringement is quite common in the music industry, look at how many songs use samples without the original artists' permission only for them to be credited and get royalties once it becomes a success, Also, there is quite a distinct difference between sampling 0.5-20 seconds of a song for another piece of material and writing, performing and marketing an entire musical that extrapolates and capitalises on someone else's material. Beyonce removed the Milkshake sample from her very recent track 'Energy' pretty quickly after criticism for not having cleared it.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Aug 12, 2022 20:36:22 GMT
I certainly hope no one connected to Barlow and Bear is on a forum publicly denigrating Shonda as ego—driven trash having a tantrum and implying her career is a failure by comparison to two girls who went viral. In terms of copyright. Lots of shows esp student or fringe play fast and loose with copyrighted material in terms of homaging or taking things from pop culture as a starting point and they don’t get sued. There are shows on the Fringe this year using the name and elements from Batman, Ben Hur, David Attenborough’s Life on Earth, Eastenders, George Michael songs, the list goes on. That’s not what the Bridgerton Musical does which is more or less a direct adaptation. They really have pushed it in assuming Netflix wouldn’t sue over something both so direct and so commercial.
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Post by eulenspiegel on Aug 12, 2022 23:40:16 GMT
I certainly hope no one connected to Barlow and Bear is on a forum publicly denigrating Shonda as ego—driven trash having a tantrum and implying her career is a failure by comparison to two girls who went viral. In terms of copyright. Lots of shows esp student or fringe play fast and loose with copyrighted material in terms of homaging or taking things from pop culture as a starting point and they don’t get sued. There are shows on the Fringe this year using the name and elements from Batman, Ben Hur, David Attenborough’s Life on Earth, Eastenders, George Michael songs, the list goes on. That’s not what the Bridgerton Musical does which is more or less a direct adaptation. They really have pushed it in assuming Netflix wouldn’t sue over something both so direct and so commercial. I nowhere said...that she is trash...she sells trash...at least with the Bridgerton Experiences. I nowhere said that her carrer is a failure...but her Bridgerton series did not win anything so far...so the lawsuit is in a kind of begging for an award „You gave this these teen brats an award...what about me“ And if you read the lawsuit it just jumps in the eye....a self-confident person would have acted differently. So yes...the lawsuit seems to be tantrum driven...at least for me. I would be laughing so hard if Ellen Mirojnick would get her Emmy this year...as she supports Barlow & Bear... even used their music for last years promo trailer for the Emmys. (she was also nominated last year) Btw. the likes and applauding comments by Chris van Dusen and her about the concerts are still there..so they kind of show the middle finger to Shonda Rimes on social media. BurlyBeaR you are correct ...the silence is a catastrophe..
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