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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 8:51:00 GMT
It really isn’t hard to work out. Theatre is a business. It isn’t going to sit around and wait for the entire British population to be vaccinated in the interest of fairness - it’s going to get itself up and running as quickly as it can. As far as I’m aware no company has come out and said they will be offering the vaccine at a price to the general public. Considering governments around the world are queuing up to but the vaccine, I can’t see it being sold into the private sector until much further down the line. Yeah, highly doubt it will fly for those of us who are fit and healthy and low risk of coronavirus not being allowed to do normal things before vaccinated people. I'll go to the theatre vaccine or not as soon as I'm able to (basically, next month again). Being fit, healthy and at a lower risk of death does not mean you can’t catch the virus or continue to spread it. So enjoy your theatre going whilst it lasts, because frankly your post stinks of ego and self entitlement. |
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Post by theatreian on Nov 13, 2020 9:51:09 GMT
The huge increase in cases yesterday is being blamed on the rush to the pubs at the last minute by frankly all the selfish individuals who could not care whether they catch it or not or who they spread it to. Just to get a last minute drink. It is no surprise that we do not have a handle on this yet.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 10:39:49 GMT
Yeah, highly doubt it will fly for those of us who are fit and healthy and low risk of coronavirus not being allowed to do normal things before vaccinated people. I'll go to the theatre vaccine or not as soon as I'm able to (basically, next month again). Being fit, healthy and at a lower risk of death does not mean you can’t catch the virus or continue to spread it. So enjoy your theatre going whilst it lasts, because frankly your post stinks of ego and self entitlement. Bit harsh. There is nothing wrong with what Mark is doing provided he is taking appropriate precautions like mask and hand sanitising, which he would have to be even to get into a theatre. Not all of us have to be hermits until we get a vaccine, I certainly won't be, I'll be taking precautions and getting on with life like anyone else who is at low risk should be able to. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 11:13:22 GMT
Being fit, healthy and at a lower risk of death does not mean you can’t catch the virus or continue to spread it. So enjoy your theatre going whilst it lasts, because frankly your post stinks of ego and self entitlement. Bit harsh. There is nothing wrong with what Mark is doing provided he is taking appropriate precautions like mask and hand sanitising, which he would have to be even to get into a theatre. Not all of us have to be hermits until we get a vaccine, I certainly won't be, I'll be taking precautions and getting on with life like anyone else who is at low risk should be able to. I don’t think it’s harsh at all. Mark is complaining about being excluded from theatre if they demand audiences have had the vaccine in order to attend (like Ticketmaster have already announced)... presumably because he is in one of the groups going to get the vaccine last. Theatre is going to increase capacity and remove social distancing as soon as they can, and will most likely use the ‘prove you’ve been vaccinated’ thing as a legitimate way of putting every seat back on sale. Someone saying ‘it won’t fly’ that ‘fit, healthy, low risk people’ will be excluded - which is a fancy way of saying younger people won’t stand for it - is nothing short of ego and entitlement. Just because you are less likely to die from it does not mean you can’t catch it nor spread it. The vaccine isn’t a miracle cure. They don’t know how long it works for or if we will need seasonal top ups. Plus vaccines are supposedly less effective the older you are. Therefore expecting to be able to mix with people who have been vaccinated simply because you’re at a lower risk of death or being petulant saying ‘it won’t fly’ is exactly what I said it was. |
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Post by TallPaul on Nov 13, 2020 11:30:00 GMT
Let's put the Ticketmaster story to bed, shall we?
I'm not going to describe it as fake news...but it was.
I sometimes can't believe what I'm reading. Surely nobody wants to live in a society where people are given some sort of mark and separated into groups. History has shown it never ends well.
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Post by Mark on Nov 13, 2020 12:43:52 GMT
Yeah, highly doubt it will fly for those of us who are fit and healthy and low risk of coronavirus not being allowed to do normal things before vaccinated people. I'll go to the theatre vaccine or not as soon as I'm able to (basically, next month again). Being fit, healthy and at a lower risk of death does not mean you can’t catch the virus or continue to spread it. So enjoy your theatre going whilst it lasts, because frankly your post stinks of ego and self entitlement. Im sorry that you have such a backward way of thinking. Theatres reopen in three weeks. They aren't going to stop people going who aren't vaccinated immediately - there won't be enough buyers because it will be a slow process. Time to let people get on with their lives. People like you would see everyone locked up until they were vaccinated. It's not going to happen. And now that the ticketmaster story has been deemed "fake news", I highly doubt vaccination will ever be a requirement to go into a venue. |
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Post by nick on Nov 14, 2020 6:58:57 GMT
Re: private vaccinations
Surely the rich and influential are going to jump the queue SOMEHOW. There must be a private source for those people?
Roll on the revolution!!! Power to the people.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 14, 2020 12:30:53 GMT
This thread is specifically about whether individuals will have the vaccine. I appreciate that it’s difficult when topics cross like this but can we try to keep general discussion about the virus on the coronavirus thread please.
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Post by jojo on Nov 14, 2020 18:58:30 GMT
I'll be having the vaccine, but I'm going to have to wait a while as I'm not high risk.
I am a bit worried about the anti-vaxxers trying to scare people out of getting the jab, but it definitely shouldn't be mandatory, and it would be playing into the hands of the anti-vaxxers if the government were to so much as hint at it being so.
Recent polling suggested that about 60% of the population currently say they'd have the vaccine, but it's hard to tell if they are people who are thinking 'stick it in me now', or also include those who intend to read more once the trials are finished, and got regulatory approval. I expect there's another 20% or so who are a bit wary of having a brand new vaccine, but will have those fears melt away once it's been used safely for a few months.
Then there will be some who don't want to have it because they just don't like needles or don't want the hassle and are relying on enough other people getting it to keep them safe. They're the selfish ones, but I see some of them changing their minds quickly enough as soon as they realise they can't go abroad without a certificate, or realise that a day or so of mild flu-like symptoms is better than worrying about catching the virus.
There are some people can't take vaccines, or for whom they won't work. That's why I hope as many people as possible will take it once it's got proper approval. I wouldn't be surprised if there was an additional delay before it gets approval for pregnant women, as far as I can tell, these trials will not lead to approval for under-18s either. I presume extra checks and testing will be required for them, and possibly people with allergies and other conditions. But if even 80% of health care workers and those 70+ can be successfully immunised ASAP, then it relieve a great deal of pressure from the health service.
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Post by joem on Nov 19, 2020 11:22:26 GMT
I will not take the vaccine under any circumstances whatsoever. My body belongs to me and me alone. I am a very healthy person, I don't think I've ever had flu in my life, and I take sufficient precautions to ensure I don't catch this virus and I will not be subjected to an invasive and unnecessary pollution of my . I believe the hysteria over coronavirus is causing, has caused, and will cause, far more deaths than the virus itself will cause directly.
I am astonished that many people who describe themselves as liberal, progressive and so forth are prepared to support the state in an assault. It is a form of abuse, and has no place in a free society.
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Post by theatreian on Nov 19, 2020 12:02:02 GMT
No one is immune from this disease or any other for that matter. A lot of deadly diseases have been wiped out through science and vaccinations. I do find it odd that you say it is an assault on your body when all it is is a way of trying to help people and end this sorry state of affairs. Everyone has the right to their view though, having said that if you do catch it i expect you will accept medical treatment for it.
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Post by talkingheads on Nov 19, 2020 12:07:35 GMT
I will not take the vaccine under any circumstances whatsoever. My body belongs to me and me alone. I am a very healthy person, I don't think I've ever had flu in my life, and I take sufficient precautions to ensure I don't catch this virus and I will not be subjected to an invasive and unnecessary pollution of my . I believe the hysteria over coronavirus is causing, has caused, and will cause, far more deaths than the virus itself will cause directly. I am astonished that many people who describe themselves as liberal, progressive and so forth are prepared to support the state in an assault. It is a form of abuse, and has no place in a free society. I'm sorry but that is an astonishingly selfish take. Just because you believe you are immune to carrying and potentially passing on the virus, you won't go through the mild inconvenience of a vaccination that could help save the lives of others? |
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Post by Someone in a tree on Nov 19, 2020 14:12:35 GMT
Absolutely. I have a few colleagues who are anti vac they and don't see how they can infect the vulnerable folk we support (we work with disabled adults).
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Post by vdcni on Nov 19, 2020 14:13:05 GMT
It's like we haven't been supressing virus's with vaccines for centuries.
Sometimes it feels like we're moving backwards as a society.
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Post by glossie on Nov 19, 2020 14:49:53 GMT
I will not take the vaccine under any circumstances whatsoever. My body belongs to me and me alone. I am a very healthy person, I don't think I've ever had flu in my life, and I take sufficient precautions to ensure I don't catch this virus and I will not be subjected to an invasive and unnecessary pollution of my . I believe the hysteria over coronavirus is causing, has caused, and will cause, far more deaths than the virus itself will cause directly. I am astonished that many people who describe themselves as liberal, progressive and so forth are prepared to support the state in an assault. It is a form of abuse, and has no place in a free society. Have you ever had measles, mumps, rubella, diphtheria, whooping cough, polio, tetanus, TB? Have you any idea just how devastating these diseases are? Probably not. And do you know why? Because most people of my age, whose parents’ families did have experience of them, thanked science for developing the vaccines which saved their children’s lives and willingly agreed to have us vaccinated to prevent more lives being lost or damaged. If that’s considered abuse, then that shows just how mad this world has become. I send my heartfelt gratitude to everyone involved for protecting me, my children and every other person who is alive and well because of it. |
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Nov 19, 2020 14:51:54 GMT
It's like we haven't been supressing virus's with vaccines for centuries. Sometimes it feels like we're moving backwards as a society. Seriously, and all this talk of herd immunity (usually pushed for by the no lockdown, anti-mask, anti-vax folk) throughout the pandemic as if that's not exactly what vaccines are for except, you know, without risking thousands of lives to achieve it! If you're fit and able then take the vaccine for the sake of the vulnerable and fingers crossed we can kill this virus like we've killed other diseases. I don't think vaccines should be mandatory by any means but that doesn't mean I won't think you're a cruel and selfish person for refusing it without good reason! |
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Post by distantcousin on Nov 19, 2020 14:59:19 GMT
I will not take the vaccine under any circumstances whatsoever. My body belongs to me and me alone. I am a very healthy person, I don't think I've ever had flu in my life, and I take sufficient precautions to ensure I don't catch this virus and I will not be subjected to an invasive and unnecessary pollution of my . I believe the hysteria over coronavirus is causing, has caused, and will cause, far more deaths than the virus itself will cause directly. I am astonished that many people who describe themselves as liberal, progressive and so forth are prepared to support the state in an assault. It is a form of abuse, and has no place in a free society. Agree 100%.
I am utterly shocked at what's become of people.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 15:06:24 GMT
Perhaps it should be the case that before you can leave school you have to take a general science exam and if you fail you get killed and eaten. Would that be too extreme? I don't think that would be too extreme.
But more seriously, I do believe that critical thinking is something that should be taught in schools. Wonderful though the Internet is, it has meant that there's far too much information available for people to handle and so they wrap themselves up in little bubbles of self-validation without stopping to think whether any particular idea makes sense, particularly if it appeals to their sense of persecution and oppression. It doesn't matter whether it's vaccines or 5G or global warming or whatever, people will just believe whoever makes the argument that they find most persuasive. I think children — and, depressingly, many adults — need to be encouraged to try to understand things for themselves and not let others tell them that it's too difficult. And if you don't understand things then your opinions are as worthless as if you chose them by rolling dice.
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Post by lichtie on Nov 19, 2020 15:21:07 GMT
Wow, anti-vaxxer and libertarian memes all popping up together... I reckon Laurence Fox is masquerading as a board member!
To give the other side of the coin, just back from my booster as part of one of the trials. Yes, it's my body, and I believe in the benefits of participating as a wider good to society.
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Post by kathryn on Nov 19, 2020 15:46:35 GMT
I will not take the vaccine under any circumstances whatsoever. My body belongs to me and me alone. I am a very healthy person, I don't think I've ever had flu in my life, and I take sufficient precautions to ensure I don't catch this virus and I will not be subjected to an invasive and unnecessary pollution of my . I believe the hysteria over coronavirus is causing, has caused, and will cause, far more deaths than the virus itself will cause directly. I am astonished that many people who describe themselves as liberal, progressive and so forth are prepared to support the state in an assault. It is a form of abuse, and has no place in a free society. Uh, 'health' isn't this thing that you either have or don't have, like blue eyes or long legs - you can be 'very healthy' all your life and then catch something that kills you. You can't 'ensure' you don't catch the virus if you have contact with other human beings. You can lower your risk, but if you have the bad luck to be breathing the same air as someone who has the virus for a significant length of time, chances are good that you'll catch it too. And then you'll be more 'polluted' than someone who has been vaccinated, and will probably need more 'invasive' procedures (sticking a swab up your nose and down your throat for the test is no fun, I'm told). |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 19, 2020 15:56:14 GMT
I will not take the vaccine under any circumstances whatsoever. My body belongs to me and me alone. I am a very healthy person, I don't think I've ever had flu in my life, and I take sufficient precautions to ensure I don't catch this virus and I will not be subjected to an invasive and unnecessary pollution of my . I believe the hysteria over coronavirus is causing, has caused, and will cause, far more deaths than the virus itself will cause directly. I am astonished that many people who describe themselves as liberal, progressive and so forth are prepared to support the state in an assault. It is a form of abuse, and has no place in a free society. Agree 100%.
I am utterly shocked at what's become of people.
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Post by vickyg on Nov 19, 2020 16:42:55 GMT
I will not take the vaccine under any circumstances whatsoever. My body belongs to me and me alone. I am a very healthy person, I don't think I've ever had flu in my life, and I take sufficient precautions to ensure I don't catch this virus and I will not be subjected to an invasive and unnecessary pollution of my . I believe the hysteria over coronavirus is causing, has caused, and will cause, far more deaths than the virus itself will cause directly. I am astonished that many people who describe themselves as liberal, progressive and so forth are prepared to support the state in an assault. It is a form of abuse, and has no place in a free society. Please could you quantify the deadly impact of the 'hysteria' related to covid? The deadly impact of the virus itself is well documented by the likes of the WHO so I would be interested to compare with your calculations. |
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Post by londonpostie on Nov 19, 2020 17:30:20 GMT
It's a shame to see the politicisation of what used to be - pre-social media - a pretty straight forward public health issue.
Having said that, I do want a UK-based, not-for-profit solution.
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Post by lynette on Nov 19, 2020 17:48:00 GMT
The people who will refuse to take the vaccine: did they have vaccinations as children? I’m assuming they did because they would have to be very old to have missed them. So measles, polio, TB possibly just three of the possible vaccinations they could have had. These would have protected them from deadly diseases. In fact chances are they did. Measles kills but now of course the anti vaxxers just class it as a childhood illness, not worth worrying about. In the UK we didn't have to worry so much about smallpox but there again, I wonder why not?
So have a think before you say you will not be vaccinated. Glad you are healthy, long may you remain so. It isn’t about general health, though. Funnily enough, viruses are not choosey..
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Post by lynette on Nov 19, 2020 17:50:14 GMT
Have you ever had measles, mumps, rubella, diphtheria, whooping cough, polio, tetanus, TB? Have you any idea just how devastating these diseases are? Probably not. And do you know why? Because most people of my age, whose parents’ families did have experience of them, thanked science for developing the vaccines which saved their children’s lives and willingly agreed to have us vaccinated to prevent more lives being lost or damaged. If that’s considered abuse, then that shows just how mad this world has become. I send my heartfelt gratitude to everyone involved for protecting me, my children and every other person who is alive and well because of it. Just seen this glossie. I was trying to say the same, but you have expressed it better, so I’m quoting you so everyone can read what you say again. |
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