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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 18:25:05 GMT
With the international tour of Wicked now starting to take shape, I was wondering why there aren't more international or European tours. I'm from Belgium and sadly enough there aren't that many high end theatre productions here. And if there is a good production it always closes within a few months, which is unsurprising because of the small size of the country. But I think it would be great if there were more shows touring Europe and the rest of the world. That way every country can get great productions without them having to spend a lot of money for a very short run. And not to mention the producers will most likely make a lot of money because they're going into territory were there is virtually no competition for their show. So why do you think there aren't more tours? And does anyone know any shows besides Wicked that are currently touring or are about to go on tour?
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Post by daniel on May 14, 2016 18:38:58 GMT
The current Mary Poppins is officially an International Tour, though as far as I'm aware there aren't currently any plans to take it abroad, which is a shame as it's brilliant!
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 18:52:27 GMT
The current Mary Poppins is officially an International Tour, though as far as I'm aware there aren't currently any plans to take it abroad, which is a shame as it's brilliant! Yeah, many tours have stops all over the UK and Ireland, but very few go beyond that. It really is a shame because I'm pretty sure many people in Europe would go see it if it came to their country |
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Post by daniel on May 14, 2016 19:08:01 GMT
The current Mary Poppins is officially an International Tour, though as far as I'm aware there aren't currently any plans to take it abroad, which is a shame as it's brilliant! Yeah, many tours have stops all over the UK and Ireland, but very few go beyond that. It really is a shame because I'm pretty sure many people in Europe would go see it if it came to their country Yes - usually they call them "UK & Ireland Tour" - International Tour implies that it will go further afield, to Europe or Asia. Not sure why Poppins hasn't, given that it has that name. |
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Post by Phantom of London on May 14, 2016 19:27:45 GMT
Mamma Mia did international tours.
Ghost would do well be a international tour.
Netherlands and Germany are emerging as serious contenders for the 3rd Spot after UK and US for theatre and ahead of Australia.
International tours allow you to go to places, for a brief stop before moving onto the next city/country, the only drawback is you can only perform in one language, which undoubtably be English.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 20:21:58 GMT
Mamma Mia did international tours. Ghost would do well be a international tour. Netherlands and Germany are emerging as serious contenders for the 3rd Spot after UK and US for theatre and ahead of Australia. International tours allow you to go to places, for a brief stop before moving onto the next city/country, the only drawback is you can only perform in one language, which undoubtably be English. That's not a drawback. English is the best language for musicals and virtually everyone understands it. I actually cringe every time I see a show or hear a song in my own language  I saw the Mamma Mia tour last year by the way. It was very entertaining. |
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Post by ShoesForRent on May 14, 2016 20:23:40 GMT
The current Pricsilla tour that has been going around the uk is international- coming to Israel (!!!!) in the summer- the first uk tour to do so as far as I know... I hope more follow
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 20:36:21 GMT
The current Pricsilla tour that has been going around the uk is international- coming to Israel (!!!!) in the summer- the first uk tour to do so as far as I know... I hope more follow Cool. The UK tour of Dirty Dancing is coming to Belgium this summer. Excited about that. But one tour per year is not enough. I'd like to have at least 3 |
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Post by ShoesForRent on May 14, 2016 20:50:21 GMT
The current Pricsilla tour that has been going around the uk is international- coming to Israel (!!!!) in the summer- the first uk tour to do so as far as I know... I hope more follow Cool. The UK tour of Dirty Dancing is coming to Belgium this summer. Excited about that. But one tour per year is not enough. I'd like to have at least 3 I know what you mean- this is the first international tour we'll be getting, and there are about 2 national tours every year- talk about a shortage! Lol |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 21:06:57 GMT
Cool. The UK tour of Dirty Dancing is coming to Belgium this summer. Excited about that. But one tour per year is not enough. I'd like to have at least 3 I know what you mean- this is the first international tour we'll be getting, and there are about 2 national tours every year- talk about a shortage! Lol I think this is the 4th or 5th for us. But that's still not a lot considering how close Belgium is to the UK |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 12:25:33 GMT
Just wondering, has there ever been tours with stage lifts as part of the scenery? I know lots have scenery wagons but stage lift seems quite complicated for a touring production. Only ask this because I saw on the comments of a legally blonde tour video about how sparse the set is and people confused about no lift, surely there's no way a lift can go on tour?!
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 12:31:45 GMT
Just wondering, has there ever been tours with stage lifts as part of the scenery? I know lots have scenery wagons but stage lift seems quite complicated for a touring production. Only ask this because I saw on the comments of a legally blonde tour video about how sparse the set is and people confused about no lift, surely there's no way a lift can go on tour?! I don't know about that. I think it would be hard to find enough theatres that can accommodate a stage lift as part of the set. |
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Post by viserys on May 25, 2016 6:10:50 GMT
You only seem to be considering shows from the UK/US circuit as "International Tours" - strictly speaking you get an "international tour" every year when the latest French spectacle stops in Brussels  I also seem to recall the English tour of Cats stopping in Ostend for a while some time. It's also not too far from anywhere in Belgium to Amsterdam, where the Theater Carré has been hosting two international tours recently (Priscilla from the UK and Pippin from the US) and plans to make "Broadway on the Amsel" a regular thing. That said, I would also love for more international tours to visit Western Europe. We're not getting anything like that in Germany. The German audience has regressed to odd conservatism. Back in the 80s and early 90s we got lots of international tours performed in English like Evita, West Side Story, Sarafina, A Chorus Line or My Fair Lady, but these days it's all in German and people start screaming if something is not in German. Subtitles aren't an option, there's the same stupid antipathy towards subtitles on television/in movies where everything has to be dubbed into German. Jukebox Musicals like Mamma mia are plain daft in German since everyone knows the original songs in English and comedies like Spamalot die a painful death because so much is lost in translation. Bringing back tours like in the 80s would be wonderful and give so many shows a chance that can't be done as a commercial long-run in a translated version. I spend more time in Dutch and Belgian theatres (and London) than in German theatres anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 6:25:14 GMT
You only seem to be considering shows from the UK/US circuit as "International Tours" - strictly speaking you get an "international tour" every year when the latest French spectacle stops in Brussels I also seem to recall the English tour of Cats stopping in Ostend for a while some time. It's also not too far from anywhere in Belgium to Amsterdam, where the Theater Carré has been hosting two international tours recently (Priscilla from the UK and Pippin from the US) and plans to make "Broadway on the Amsel" a regular thing. That said, I would also love for more international tours to visit Western Europe. We're not getting anything like that in Germany. The German audience has regressed to odd conservatism. Back in the 80s and early 90s we got lots of international tours performed in English like Evita, West Side Story, Sarafina, A Chorus Line or My Fair Lady, but these days it's all in German and people start screaming if something is not in German. Subtitles aren't an option, there's the same stupid antipathy towards subtitles on television/in movies where everything has to be dubbed into German. Jukebox Musicals like Mamma mia are plain daft in German since everyone knows the original songs in English and comedies like Spamalot die a painful death because so much is lost in translation. Bringing back tours like in the 80s would be wonderful and give so many shows a chance that can't be done as a commercial long-run in a translated version. I spend more time in Dutch and Belgian theatres (and London) than in German theatres anyway. I'm not very interested in the French productions because my French is not that good And we have the same problem with translating musicals here. Recently they played Grease in Dutch. It's horrendous to hear those famous songs in Dutch. You're right, Cats was in Ostend a few years ago. So far we get exactly 1 international tour a year. I think that could and should be more. People all over the UK and US get multiple tours a year, plus they have a lot of great regional productions. I think it wouldn't hurt if all the countries in Western Europe got 2 or 3 international productions a year. That being said, I'm very hopeful for the international tour of Wicked to come to Belgium. Myself and a bunch of other people tweeted to a big Belgian production company and this was their reaction: "Thank you for your enthusiasm for Wicked possibly coming to Belgium. No plans for now, but in the meantime..." |
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Post by Steffi on May 25, 2016 7:03:34 GMT
Back in the 80s and early 90s we got lots of international tours performed in English like Evita, West Side Story, Sarafina, A Chorus Line or My Fair Lady, but these days it's all in German and people start screaming if something is not in German. Subtitles aren't an option, there's the same stupid antipathy towards subtitles on television/in movies where everything has to be dubbed into German. They had very odd "subtitles" at the recent Jesus Christ Superstar tour (the Glenn Carter one). Instead of actually translating the show they tried to put a very brief narrative of what was happening on stage on there - so brief no one would have been able to make sense of the show had they been trying to follow it through the subtitles. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 7:29:23 GMT
Back in the 80s and early 90s we got lots of international tours performed in English like Evita, West Side Story, Sarafina, A Chorus Line or My Fair Lady, but these days it's all in German and people start screaming if something is not in German. Subtitles aren't an option, there's the same stupid antipathy towards subtitles on television/in movies where everything has to be dubbed into German. They had very odd "subtitles" at the recent Jesus Christ Superstar tour (the Glenn Carter one). Instead of actually translating the show they tried to put a very brief narrative of what was happening on stage on there - so brief no one would have been able to make sense of the show had they been trying to follow it through the subtitles. They always have good subtitles for the international tours in Ostend. I don't read them anyway, but it's very convenient for people who don't speak English so well |
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Post by viserys on May 25, 2016 10:05:22 GMT
German attitude to subtitles is a tragedy.
I don't get though why Carré didn't use subtitles for Priscilla and Pippin in Amsterdam. The Dutch are usually great with subtitles and I'm sure it would have encouraged more people to buy tickets.
I love the Opèra de Wallonie in Liège, they manage tri-lingual subtitles, i.e. when an opera is sung in Italian, they have subtitles in French, Dutch and German. Of course it helps that operas aren't half as wordy as musicals.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2016 14:35:19 GMT
I just learned that a tour of Cats will be coming to Belgium next year. Not my favourite show but I'll take anything I can get |
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I saw the Mamma Mia tour last year by the way. It was very entertaining.
I also seem to recall the English tour of Cats stopping in Ostend for a while some time. 
