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Post by alece10 on Jun 6, 2020 16:37:25 GMT
I'll probably get shot down but aren't we being a bit cruel in this thread especially with regard to the British cast members. I'm pretty sure quite a few actors actually read the posts on here and it can't be nice to read something about yourself that's not nice. I'm to blame as well as I criticised Patti earlier on.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 6:14:30 GMT
I'll probably get shot down but aren't we being a bit cruel in this thread especially with regard to the British cast members. I'm pretty sure quite a few actors actually read the posts on here and it can't be nice to read something about yourself that's not nice. I'm to blame as well as I criticised Patti earlier on. I just assumed using “truth hurts” in the title was carte blanche to be awful? Generally when someone has been awful to you they follow it with truth hurts!! Some nice racism on page 3 too! This is REALLY is the thread to TELL IT LIKE IT IS
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Post by Dave25 on Jun 7, 2020 9:55:23 GMT
No Betty. Thinking in human is not racism. If you would like to discuss this further or learn something about being human you can send me a DM as we are not allowed to discuss it here.
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Post by christya on Jun 7, 2020 10:41:08 GMT
It's a shame that Six took off the way it did. It's a great concept and a solid beginning, but desperately needs development to be a complete show, and will never have it because the fanbase grabbed it and ran with it - why develop what's already raking in the coin?
There should be a strict limit placed on riffs. Especially in 'Wicked'.
With some notable exceptions, someone going straight from school to the lead in a major musical is not a good thing, just a good 'story'.
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 7, 2020 13:32:21 GMT
Interesting that without being mentioned in any way, shape, or form, Dave25 thought betty's post was about him. If the shoe fits, I guess...?
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Post by sf on Jun 7, 2020 14:04:41 GMT
There should be a strict limit placed on riffs. Especially in 'Wicked'. And that limit should be ZERO.
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Post by The Matthew on Jun 7, 2020 14:27:57 GMT
Interesting that without being mentioned in any way, shape, or form, Dave25 thought betty 's post was about him. If the shoe fits, I guess...? It was pretty obvious what was meant. Dave25: We know your opinion about treating everyone as humans and in a future world where there's no racism that might work, but right now there is racism and we need strategies to counteract it. And in the Miss Saigon thread dismissing Diep Tran's opinion of her own culture was insensitive to say the least. Everyone else: Please think before accusing people of racism just because they disagree with you on the subject of race. Some of the people you've accused of racism are not white, and in some cases people have been attacked for having the "wrong" opinion of their own race.
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Post by djp on Jun 9, 2020 0:17:52 GMT
It's a shame that Six took off the way it did. It's a great concept and a solid beginning, but desperately needs development to be a complete show, and will never have it because the fanbase grabbed it and ran with it - why develop what's already raking in the coin? There should be a strict limit placed on riffs. Especially in 'Wicked'. With some notable exceptions, someone going straight from school to the lead in a major musical is not a good thing, just a good 'story'. Agree Six- they should have watched the Tudors as well as Horrible histories.
Riffs are OK if they underline the drama, or the musical was designed to produce one then. Random ever changing riffs just weaken the story, or ruin the impact of the song - riffing Eponines being a terrible case that runs contrary to the character, lyrics and emotions she's living.
Not sure of 3. Some of our very top performers were plucked from out of school and can sing better and act better than most who went off to drama school or university. Working with and watching top people who are good at what they do, is essentially how university level education works anyway - or it used to be, .And some people just can inhabit a role, whether they come in from school or pop careers , and.or were taught how to sing well early in life. If i listed who is on my always see list they tend to divide between people who were plucked out at 17 or 18 and people, who did extremely well and won prizes at drama school .
What is annoying is the people plucked from TV shows who can't sing or act well enough , and the pop singers who can't sing enough shows a week and are not on when you buy a ticket. Its not mandatory to be unable to last a week - i can think of X factor graduates who didn't miss a show in a big role in a long run as well as some who can't sing seemingly sing much smaller roles roles 8 times a week.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jun 9, 2020 4:18:07 GMT
I don’t know when people saw Six but the show had always gone through a lot of small subtle changes to improve it throughout its run. It is a much tighter and complete show now than it was early on and certainly since the US Productions. The very end into the last track still niggles me a little and needs to be fixed, but for the most part it is a million times better than the first 6 months of its run.
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Post by Jon on Jun 9, 2020 17:05:12 GMT
I like Blood Brothers but the Kenwright production and its cheap sets and costumes need to be retired and given to someone else to breathe new life into it. When it closed in the West End, I wasn't exactly sad to see it go.
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Post by hannechalk on Jun 13, 2020 14:31:00 GMT
The liberty of it, I say. I'm fanning myself down now. In a way, many fans like it exactly that way. Although I'm all open to new interpretations. 😀 I like Blood Brothers but the Kenwright production and its cheap sets and costumes need to be retired and given to someone else to breathe new life into it. When it closed in the West End, I wasn't exactly sad to see it go.
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Post by hannechalk on Jun 13, 2020 14:40:31 GMT
A farewell-tour is not a farewell-tour if you keep casting the same actor in each subsequent leg, or keep bringing them back in future productions of the same show.
I do not see the appeal or point at all of Six.
The 2017 National Theatre-production of Jane Eyre was odd and fairly boring.
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Post by xanady on Jun 14, 2020 15:16:45 GMT
BOM is an embarrassment!
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Post by danb on Jun 14, 2020 16:05:07 GMT
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Post by xanady on Jun 14, 2020 17:09:38 GMT
......errr.....nope.....lol
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Post by intoanewlife on Jun 14, 2020 18:05:24 GMT
Book of Mormon is amazeballs x
Hamilton is double swinging amazeballs x
Come From Away is triple swinging amazeballs x
The Great Comet is so amazeballs it's like one of those pits full of coloured balls that kids play in x
Six has more amazeballs than anyone else, but it is not a musical. It is a fantastic cabaret act that didn't have a home anywhere else so they called it a musical and shoved it Off West End. The fact that this show is created by 2 BRITISH Uni students and has opened on Broadway a little over 2 years after it's inception is an unparalledled and extraordinary feat. The fact that so many people are willing to sh*t all over it instead of celebrating it's immense achievements angers me. If they were a football team of men you'd be giving them parades in the streets, but instead...crickets...and endless bitching and moaning about how sh*t it is instead of praising the doors it has and will open for modern British musicals x
The first half of Kinky Boots is amazeballs, the 2nd half is just balls x
Fun Home, Caroline or Change and Falsettos are unwatchable manipulative muck x
Sondheim is so overrated they actually invented the word just to describe his work x
Bette Midler was atrocious in Hello Dolly x
The recent JCS revival was like watching an ALW themed episode of American Idol. The singing was phenomenal but it was cold, heartless and had no soul x
Apart from Sunset ALW is incapable of writing a decent show on his own. His 2 best shows post 70's were his 2 biggest flops...The Beautiful Game and Whistle Down the Wind x
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Post by danb on Jun 14, 2020 20:06:34 GMT
......errr.....nope.....lol Do I sense a ‘Benidorm’ & ‘Mrs Browns Boys’ lover? There’s nothing wrong with obvious, lowest common denominator comedy if that’s what you like. BOM is far from perfect and morally difficult to defend, but works on many levels than just gross out ‘South Park’ comedy. But each to their own. 😂😂😂 (Thoroughly enjoyed ‘Six’ but I think cast changes are all that would make me return regularly.)
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Post by tom on Jun 14, 2020 21:59:05 GMT
Book of Mormon is amazeballs x Hamilton is double swinging amazeballs x Come From Away is triple swinging amazeballs x The Great Comet is so amazeballs it's like one of those pits full of coloured balls that kids play in x Six has more amazeballs than anyone else, but it is not a musical. It is a fantastic cabaret act that didn't have a home anywhere else so they called it a musical and shoved it Off West End. The fact that this show is created by 2 BRITISH Uni students and has opened on Broadway a little over 2 years after it's inception is an unparalledled and extraordinary feat. The fact that so many people are willing to sh*t all over it instead of celebrating it's immense achievements angers me. If they were a football team of men you'd be giving them parades in the streets, but instead...crickets...and endless bitching and moaning about how sh*t it is instead of praising the doors it has and will open for modern British musicals x The first half of Kinky Boots is amazeballs, the 2nd half is just balls x Fun Home, Caroline or Change and Falsettos are unwatchable manipulative muck x Sondheim is so overrated they actually invented the word just to describe his work x Bette Midler was atrocious in Hello Dolly x The recent JCS revival was like watching an ALW themed episode of American Idol. The singing was phenomenal but it was cold, heartless and had no soul x Apart from Sunset ALW is incapable of writing a decent show on his own. His 2 best shows post 70's were his 2 biggest flops...The Beautiful Game and Whistle Down the Wind x Not seen six but listened to the awful soundtrack which is a pop wannabe version of hamilton which is overrated as it is. Six does not appeal to me and if it is the future of british musicals I certainly don’t want those doors opened.
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Post by xanady on Jun 14, 2020 23:16:33 GMT
^danb,the thread is called ‘Let’s get real.Truth hurts!’.... my truth and my reality is that BOM is unacceptable in its dealings with race and in the current climate I personally can’t see how it can be staged again.Cue outrage from other board members! BOM have tweeted their support for BLM and a politically-active associate of mine has challenged them to justify this statement in relation to the show itself.Will report back if he gets a response. Obviously,danb,I totally respect that your truth and reality is different to mine regarding this show. No worries👍
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Post by hannechalk on Jun 15, 2020 0:34:59 GMT
Out of the 122 events I have listed as seen in my lifetime so far, the 2018-production of Flashdance was the worst of all.
Those 122 events include a Bristol City v Oldham Athletic-match. Just for comparison.
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Post by musicalmarge on Jun 15, 2020 6:56:22 GMT
Book of Mormon is offensive and in the light of Black Lives Matter should be cancelled and taken off stage.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Jun 15, 2020 8:52:04 GMT
Book of Mormon is offensive and in the light of Black Lives Matter should be cancelled and taken off stage. If it was so problematic why would so many of the black community have agreed to take part in the show? Think about the number of black actors who have worked on it over the years. Half the cast are black. I think it's difficult for the black lives matter movement to come out against a show many of their own community were more than happy to be a part of and advertise. The audience, in my experience, has also been very diverse the times I've been to see it. But if anyone wants to now discuss the individual topic of which shows are problematic because of BLM further can i ask that another thread is made or it's taken to the relevant thread in GD, rather than hijacking this thread with replies that are off topic.
Cheers.
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Post by dgjbear on Jun 17, 2020 7:28:12 GMT
Can we have a break of all Sondheim revivals for at least a decade
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jun 17, 2020 8:09:22 GMT
Can we have a break of all Sondheim revivals for at least a decade NO.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jun 17, 2020 9:29:55 GMT
Can we have a break of all Sondheim revivals for at least a decade Only the ones involving Imelda Staunton, Michael Ball and Maria Friedman.
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Post by squidward on Jun 17, 2020 11:47:47 GMT
Can we have a break of all Sondheim revivals for at least a decade Only the ones involving Imelda Staunton, Michael Ball and Maria Friedman. I’d like to add Jenna Russell,Hannah Waddingham and any revival of SS’s back catalogue at The Menier Chocolate Factory please.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jun 17, 2020 11:56:27 GMT
Only the ones involving Imelda Staunton, Michael Ball and Maria Friedman. I’d like to add Jenna Russell,Hannah Waddingham and any revival of SS’s back catalogue at The Menier Chocolate Factory please. I loved Sunday, Assassins, Woods and Road Show but Night Music and Merrily went down like a cup of cold sick Please dont hate me but I really like Jenna Russell
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Post by frosty on Jun 17, 2020 14:38:18 GMT
Please dont hate me but I really like Jenna Russell Me too! I first saw her in Merrily, then Grey Gardens, Fun Home, and Bridges of Madison County and each time I've been really impressed. I don't really get the dislike for her, but there you go, we can't all like the same thing.
For my two-penneth worth in this thread...I hate anything Shakespeare, and trying to make it all modern by setting in on a cruise ship in the 1980s, but getting the characters to speak in olde fashiondy English just turns me cold. I've tried and tried, but I cannot engage (or understand, or care about it) at all.
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Post by steve10086 on Jun 17, 2020 17:26:17 GMT
I think the biggest painful truth at the moment is the one acknowledged by CM today!
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Post by couldileaveyou on Jun 17, 2020 17:34:22 GMT
Bend It Like Beckham has a pretty nice score, and in the grim environment of new British musicals it was almost great.
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