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Post by sf on Jul 13, 2020 18:12:26 GMT
Or, you could give someone the benefit of the doubt I could, if there was any ambiguity about what they meant. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 18:35:48 GMT
I don't know what's going on in the USA. Our government was slow off the mark in dealing with this and we ended up with nearly 4300 infections per million population. 43 states have a higher rate of infection than that. 23 have twice that.
Richard Nixon would have done a better job of handling the situation, and he's dead.
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Post by theatreian on Jul 13, 2020 18:54:54 GMT
Well I had my trip to Liverpool yesterday and back today via a side trip to Chester. Most people were wearing face coverings on all the trains I went on. The hotel and places were we ate out all made an effort and in this my first real foray out of my home area I felt safe and glad to be going further afield.
Although I always love going back to Liverpool.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 19:14:53 GMT
Or, you could give someone the benefit of the doubt I could, if there was any ambiguity about what they meant. Now you must just be trolling, or refusing to read what is in front of you instead of what you want to see. |
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Post by sf on Jul 13, 2020 19:41:19 GMT
I could, if there was any ambiguity about what they meant. Now you must just be trolling, or refusing to read what is in front of you instead of what you want to see.
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Post by Mark on Jul 13, 2020 20:41:50 GMT
Now you must just be trolling, or refusing to read what is in front of you instead of what you want to see.
You're being ridiculous now. Out of everyone, you're the only person blind to the fact that someone may have misspelled/misplaced a word. |
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Post by talkingheads on Jul 13, 2020 22:01:29 GMT
Face coverings compulsory in shops from 24th July:
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 22:21:08 GMT
Now you must just be trolling, or refusing to read what is in front of you instead of what you want to see.
You are ascribing a meaning to a particular word without paying any heed to colloqialism or context. Not everyone has swallowed a dictionary. If we're going to play the pedant game (I wouldn't advise it, as frankly you're now coming across as obstinate and rude rather than just someone who has misunderstood), then please confirm whether you are using "correct" in the factual sense (in respect of which you are wrong as there are other meanings that can be ascribed to the word "decent" - cf. the Cambridge English Dictionary, among others) or the moral sense (in which case it isn't solely your prerogative to judge)? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 3:00:08 GMT
Face coverings compulsory in shops from 24th July But not in offices for some reason, which I would have thought was the greater risk. Of course, it depends on how many people are returning to work in offices. If most people are continuing to work from home then it might not be a problem, and nobody's being banned from wearing masks if they want to. |
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Post by Mark on Jul 14, 2020 6:03:38 GMT
I can understand why not in offices, because in theory you are with the same people daily and can probably keep a 2 metre distance. In the shops it’s all mixing with people you don’t know/see on a day to day basis.
The first thing I have to do on going into work now is record my temperature and declare that I haven’t had any symptoms in the past 14 days
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jul 14, 2020 6:17:02 GMT
Mark that sounds really good. In mine we just have directional arrows on the staircases that people ignore. The lunch room is full of colleagues from health and social care not maintaining social distancing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 7:51:57 GMT
I can understand why not in offices, because in theory you are with the same people daily and can probably keep a 2 metre distance. In the shops it’s all mixing with people you don’t know/see on a day to day basis. I guess that's true. I tend to have a negative view of the health of the office environment because I used to sit next to someone who insisted that there was no such thing as being too ill to work, so every cold she caught I caught. So I tend to think of sitting in an office as being a bit like sitting in a plague pit but with less fresh air. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 10:30:19 GMT
I just pray we will start to hear that decent areas of England are Covid free too soon. Excuse me - " decent areas of England"? I come from one of the towns on the list of places at risk of a local lockdown, although I no longer live there. Are you suggesting that the more-than-200,000 people there, including members of my family and most of my oldest friends, are somehow worthy of your scorn simply based on their postcode? That's a thoroughly offensive turn of phrase. Shame on you. I meant decent in a sized based module not decent in a "social standing" or value of the housing. Happy to clear this up and sorry if my original message was taken that way. Ironically some of the more affluent areas were the first affected by this virus which shows no distinction between the wealthiest places in the country and the most deprived. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 10:34:02 GMT
I interpreted that comment as being decent-sized areas - as in large areas of England. Yes, that was my reading of it too... no need to take any offence. Yes that was what I meant. I should have put "sized" in. I can see why SF might have read that if he originates from what is now considered "a socially deprived area". I'm from and still live in a very working class and multicultural area of Birmingham so I'm not in some affluent Ivory Tower somewhere. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 10:48:07 GMT
I don't know what's going on in the USA. Our government was slow off the mark in dealing with this and we ended up with nearly 4300 infections per million population. 43 states have a higher rate of infection than that. 23 have twice that. Richard Nixon would have done a better job of handling the situation, and he's dead. Donald Trump has completely lost the plot. I'm not sure if he could have mandated lockdowns or if it is a State level decision. Joe Biden looks a lock to get into the White House in November. His would likely be a one term presidency as he turns 78 in November and standing again at 82 in 2024 and potentially being President up to 86 years old would be a stretch. Ironically a one term Biden Presidency was being floated around in about 2014 as Barack would have done his two terms and if Joe ran and won in 2016 then the Democrats getting a 4th term in 2020 would have been a stretch and it gave them extra time to find a younger more dynamic candidate for 2020 with Joe being a safe pair of hands to continue the Obama legacy. Joe was 74 in 2016 and doing one term until he was 78 would have made sense and he could concentrate on running the country without worrying about re-election. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 10:51:25 GMT
Face coverings compulsory in shops from 24th July: But how do you enforce it and how do you know who might be exempt. You can tell with younger people or people out with a carer but others do they carry an "exemption card". Then you have people who could have things like claustrophobia etc. Ideally you have a blanket rule with someone on the door like a club bouncer saying sorry you can't come in. Maybe the Showsec staff could be employed this way? |
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Post by sf on Jul 14, 2020 11:34:54 GMT
Excuse me - " decent areas of England"? I come from one of the towns on the list of places at risk of a local lockdown, although I no longer live there. Are you suggesting that the more-than-200,000 people there, including members of my family and most of my oldest friends, are somehow worthy of your scorn simply based on their postcode? That's a thoroughly offensive turn of phrase. Shame on you. I meant decent in a sized based module not decent in a "social standing" or value of the housing. Happy to clear this up and sorry if my original message was taken that way. Ironically some of the more affluent areas were the first affected by this virus which shows no distinction between the wealthiest places in the country and the most deprived. Thank you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 12:27:20 GMT
But how do you enforce it and how do you know who might be exempt. You can tell with younger people or people out with a carer but others do they carry an "exemption card". Then you have people who could have things like claustrophobia etc. I expect there'll be a lot of social pressure because nobody will want to stand out from the rest. Just as people maintain a polite two metre separation in a queue without anyone enforcing it because nobody wants to be That Person, so people will want to wear masks in situations where they can't maintain the two metre distance. One of the things that concerns me is that people who are genuinely exempt might end up being treated with hostility in the same way as people with hidden disabilities are when they use a disabled parking space. |
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Post by talkingheads on Jul 14, 2020 13:09:21 GMT
But how do you enforce it and how do you know who might be exempt. You can tell with younger people or people out with a carer but others do they carry an "exemption card". Then you have people who could have things like claustrophobia etc. I expect there'll be a lot of social pressure because nobody will want to stand out from the rest. Just as people maintain a polite two metre separation in a queue without anyone enforcing it because nobody wants to be That Person, so people will want to wear masks in situations where they can't maintain the two metre distance. One of the things that concerns me is that people who are genuinely exempt might end up being treated with hostility in the same way as people with hidden disabilities are when they use a disabled parking space. Yeah, shops are private businesses and as such have the right to refuse anybody. I imagine one member of staff will be on the door. I believe there are lanyards people who have disabilities and health conditions can get. Awful people on Twitter already encouraging everybody to get one to be exempt. Is there an official procedure? I hate the idea that people with disabilities would have to carry both the lanyard and proof that they need the lanyard. |
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Post by clair on Jul 14, 2020 13:12:48 GMT
But how do you enforce it and how do you know who might be exempt. You can tell with younger people or people out with a carer but others do they carry an "exemption card". Then you have people who could have things like claustrophobia etc. I expect there'll be a lot of social pressure because nobody will want to stand out from the rest. Just as people maintain a polite two metre separation in a queue without anyone enforcing it because nobody wants to be That Person, so people will want to wear masks in situations where they can't maintain the two metre distance. One of the things that concerns me is that people who are genuinely exempt might end up being treated with hostility in the same way as people with hidden disabilities are when they use a disabled parking space. That's my concern too, not every genuine issue with masks is going to be visible - someone undergoing domestic abuse may well not be able to have something covering their mouth (all too often that could be the abuser's hand stopping the screams) and for them going to do the shopping could be the only respite which will now just become another terrifying experience. I loathe wearing them as I suffer mild claustrophobia but I do wear them and take them off as quickly as is possible once away from people, those with a more severe form will really struggle. Not everyone out there is compassionate enough to accept that for some this is a genuine problem. |
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Post by talkingheads on Jul 14, 2020 13:41:25 GMT
Out of interest does anybody have any solutions to wearing masks with glasses? As soon as it's on my glasses fog up and there doesn't seem to be anything that can be done. I can do without my glasses for shopping but if masks became mandatory everywhere then I would struggle! And I'm not complaining about having to wear a mask, I;m all for it, just if I can figure out a solution it would help.
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Post by sf on Jul 14, 2020 13:56:31 GMT
Out of interest does anybody have any solutions to wearing masks with glasses? As soon as it's on my glasses fog up and there doesn't seem to be anything that can be done. I can do without my glasses for shopping but if masks became mandatory everywhere then I would struggle! And I'm not complaining about having to wear a mask, I;m all for it, just if I can figure out a solution it would help. My glasses basically only come off when I'm asleep or in the shower. Nothing is 100% effective. Google and you'll find lots of different tips; they're all worth trying, and most of them are hit-and-miss for me. What is reasonably effective is making sure the top line of the mask conforms as closely as possible to the shape of your nose. Single-use paper masks have a metal strip running along the top edge of the mask which you can use to shape the mask around the bridge of your nose. If you're using a cloth mask, and particularly if you're making them yourself (I haven't because my sewing skills are less than minimal, but I have friends who have) you can achieve a similar effect using something like a pipecleaner. And some of the latex masks are also effective - since they're stretchy anyway, they get a better seal around the bridge of your nose than the cotton ones. |
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Post by basdfg on Jul 14, 2020 14:15:04 GMT
But how do you enforce it and how do you know who might be exempt. You can tell with younger people or people out with a carer but others do they carry an "exemption card". Then you have people who could have things like claustrophobia etc. I expect there'll be a lot of social pressure because nobody will want to stand out from the rest. Just as people maintain a polite two metre separation in a queue without anyone enforcing it because nobody wants to be That Person, so people will want to wear masks in situations where they can't maintain the two metre distance. One of the things that concerns me is that people who are genuinely exempt might end up being treated with hostility in the same way as people with hidden disabilities are when they use a disabled parking space. Have you seen how many people wear them on buses - not sure they is much social pressure.
Are people in the New Forest really outraged? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 14:44:35 GMT
I meant decent in a sized based module not decent in a "social standing" or value of the housing. Happy to clear this up and sorry if my original message was taken that way. Ironically some of the more affluent areas were the first affected by this virus which shows no distinction between the wealthiest places in the country and the most deprived. Thank you. No problem, I can see why you could assume that and as I can be somewhat blunt with some of my posts. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 14:46:18 GMT
Out of interest does anybody have any solutions to wearing masks with glasses? As soon as it's on my glasses fog up and there doesn't seem to be anything that can be done. I can do without my glasses for shopping but if masks became mandatory everywhere then I would struggle! And I'm not complaining about having to wear a mask, I;m all for it, just if I can figure out a solution it would help. My glasses basically only come off when I'm asleep or in the shower. Nothing is 100% effective. Google and you'll find lots of different tips; they're all worth trying, and most of them are hit-and-miss for me. What is reasonably effective is making sure the top line of the mask conforms as closely as possible to the shape of your nose. Single-use paper masks have a metal strip running along the top edge of the mask which you can use to shape the mask around the bridge of your nose. If you're using a cloth mask, and particularly if you're making them yourself (I haven't because my sewing skills are less than minimal, but I have friends who have) you can achieve a similar effect using something like a pipecleaner. And some of the latex masks are also effective - since they're stretchy anyway, they get a better seal around the bridge of your nose than the cotton ones. I agree. The mask needs to be tight fitting as it is the air you breath out that makes said glasses steam up. |
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