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Post by Roxie on Jan 9, 2022 22:16:13 GMT
I ordered some on line yesterday, after trying the previous day to be told none were available. By coincidence I then heard someone on the radio saying to try ordering regularly because they’re coming in and out of stock all the time. That’s what made me try again and hey presto I have a pack on the way. Today showing as unavailable again. Aaaand 3 hours after posting the above they’re available online again. So this is clearly not about stock, they are using the “unavailable” message to throttle demand so that the despatch centre doesn’t get into backlog. I have 7 boxes of lateral flow tests! My mum got a box and I had one collect code and ordered one box to be posted. They actually gave me 2 boxes with the collect code and they delivered FOUR boxes!! I’ve given some of them away to friends! Doesn’t make sense why they’d deliver 4 one person. I only wanted 2!
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Post by Roxie on Jan 9, 2022 22:21:17 GMT
Probably like living with Flu. We don't regularly test ourselves for it and don't isolate when we have it. People should isolate when they have flu though, that's literally the whole point. I don't want flu any more than I want Covid. You're sick, stay away from other people. It really isn’t as simple as that. A lot of jobs don’t have sick pay and people can’t afford to take time off work. I myself get sick pay but there’s also disciplinary procedures in place if you have too much time off sick. It’s called the Bradford score. So if you have a lot of short periods of absence (say a day or 2 3 times a year) you can build your score up to a level where you then face performance management. It’s all well and good saying stay off work when you’re poorly but if you’re able to work, there’s an expectation from employers for you to show up. I have called in sick for almost 3 years. If I can get out of bed, I go in.
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Post by talkingheads on Jan 9, 2022 22:49:23 GMT
People should isolate when they have flu though, that's literally the whole point. I don't want flu any more than I want Covid. You're sick, stay away from other people. It really isn’t as simple as that. A lot of jobs don’t have sick pay and people can’t afford to take time off work. I myself get sick pay but there’s also disciplinary procedures in place if you have too much time off sick. It’s called the Bradford score. So if you have a lot of short periods of absence (say a day or 2 3 times a year) you can build your score up to a level where you then face performance management. It’s all well and good saying stay off work when you’re poorly but if you’re able to work, there’s an expectation from employers for you to show up. I have called in sick for almost 3 years. If I can get out of bed, I go in. Then that's an endemic problem with worker's rights and needs to be addressed. The point remains that if we are to stop the spread of Covid, we either provide LFT's of offer financial incentives to isolate if you are sick.
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Post by sfsusan on Jan 9, 2022 22:49:33 GMT
Very VERY small chance of that. Why do you think there is such a small chance of people who don't know they're infected spreading it to other people?
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Post by zahidf on Jan 9, 2022 22:55:23 GMT
Very VERY small chance of that. Why do you think there is such a small chance of people who don't know they're infected spreading it to other people? "potentially enabling the next mutation" was what inwas referring to
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Post by sfsusan on Jan 10, 2022 0:09:19 GMT
"potentially enabling the next mutation" was what i was referring to Ah, thanks for clarifying that. I'm still not sure there's a small chance... I thought the more infections, the more likely that mutations will appear. And there are currently a couple of new mutations being closely watched, one called IHU (in France) and one called Deltracron (in Cyprus) that seems to blend Delta and Micron.
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Post by sph on Jan 10, 2022 3:47:24 GMT
People should isolate when they have flu though, that's literally the whole point. I don't want flu any more than I want Covid. You're sick, stay away from other people. It really isn’t as simple as that. A lot of jobs don’t have sick pay and people can’t afford to take time off work. I myself get sick pay but there’s also disciplinary procedures in place if you have too much time off sick. It’s called the Bradford score. So if you have a lot of short periods of absence (say a day or 2 3 times a year) you can build your score up to a level where you then face performance management. It’s all well and good saying stay off work when you’re poorly but if you’re able to work, there’s an expectation from employers for you to show up. I have called in sick for almost 3 years. If I can get out of bed, I go in. This is very true, having covid is one of the few times in my life that I haven't felt guilty for calling in sick. I tested positive so I HAD to stay home, it was out of my hands. Before that, I always felt bad if I had to call in sick due to some other illness, and leaving your company short-staffed for the day puts a strain on everyone you work with. I understand the need for employees to miss work due to illness, but if I was a business owner I'm sure I'd feel the sting of trying to make it through a busy day understaffed.
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Post by nick on Jan 10, 2022 6:44:06 GMT
"potentially enabling the next mutation" was what i was referring to Ah, thanks for clarifying that. I'm still not sure there's a small chance... I thought the more infections, the more likely that mutations will appear. And there are currently a couple of new mutations being closely watched, one called IHU (in France) and one called Deltracron (in Cyprus) that seems to blend Delta and Micron. I think the idea is that at some point there will be a relatively small number with infections so the chance of mutation is hugely reduced. Mutations have happened where the virus is running rampant (Africa for omicron for example and an earlier one in the UK when we had a surge)
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Post by zahidf on Jan 10, 2022 8:45:18 GMT
It really isn’t as simple as that. A lot of jobs don’t have sick pay and people can’t afford to take time off work. I myself get sick pay but there’s also disciplinary procedures in place if you have too much time off sick. It’s called the Bradford score. So if you have a lot of short periods of absence (say a day or 2 3 times a year) you can build your score up to a level where you then face performance management. It’s all well and good saying stay off work when you’re poorly but if you’re able to work, there’s an expectation from employers for you to show up. I have called in sick for almost 3 years. If I can get out of bed, I go in. This is very true, having covid is one of the few times in my life that I haven't felt guilty for calling in sick. I tested positive so I HAD to stay home, it was out of my hands. Before that, I always felt bad if I had to call in sick due to some other illness, and leaving your company short-staffed for the day puts a strain on everyone you work with. I understand the need for employees to miss work due to illness, but if I was a business owner I'm sure I'd feel the sting of trying to make it through a busy day understaffed. Deltacron is probably a lab mix up, not a new variant qz.com/2110931/deltacron-variant-is-probably-a-lab-mistake-not-a-new-variant/qz.com/2110931/deltacron-variant-is-probably-a-lab-mistake-not-a-new-variant/
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Post by zahidf on Jan 10, 2022 10:10:20 GMT
If Gove is saying this publicly, as he was previously the most pro restrictions cabinet member, i dont see plan B lasting past end of this month
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Post by Mark on Jan 10, 2022 10:35:48 GMT
If Gove is saying this publicly, as he was previously the most pro restrictions cabinet member, i dont see plan B lasting past end of this month I do think that’s optimistic, I think we will see at least one more extension to mid February to coincide with school half terms.
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Post by sfsusan on Jan 10, 2022 10:41:38 GMT
I think the idea is that at some point there will be a relatively small number with infections so the chance of mutation is hugely reduced. I agree... at some point. I don't think we're at that point yet. Even if the mutation doesn't originate in Europe or the US, it will still travel here with unknown results. My point isn't to shut everything down... my point is to open cautiously (yes, that horse is mostly out of the barn), don't drop minor restrictions* (masking, distancing, ventilation) and increase tracking and tracing so any spread can be stopped quickly by restricting individuals without needing to restrict the greater society. *If people did these minor things voluntarily there would be no need for actual restrictions, but that seems unlikely at this point.
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Post by zahidf on Jan 10, 2022 10:51:53 GMT
I think the idea is that at some point there will be a relatively small number with infections so the chance of mutation is hugely reduced. I agree... at some point. I don't think we're at that point yet. Even if the mutation doesn't originate in Europe or the US, it will still travel here with unknown results. My point isn't to shut everything down... my point is to open cautiously (yes, that horse is mostly out of the barn), don't drop minor restrictions* (masking, distancing, ventilation) and increase tracking and tracing so any spread can be stopped quickly by restricting individuals without needing to restrict the greater society. *If people did these minor things voluntarily there would be no need for actual restrictions, but that seems unlikely at this point. Distancing isn't 'minor'. You can forget about any theatre in that scenario
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Post by zahidf on Jan 10, 2022 10:52:31 GMT
If Gove is saying this publicly, as he was previously the most pro restrictions cabinet member, i dont see plan B lasting past end of this month I do think that’s optimistic, I think we will see at least one more extension to mid February to coincide with school half terms. Needs a parliamentary vote. I dont see the Tory backbenchers allowing that
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 12:24:17 GMT
With Parliament having to vote on things I was looking about State of Emergency as you hear that mentioned in other countries. In the UK it is defined under :- Civil Contingencies Act 2004 In the United Kingdom, only the British Sovereign,[131] on the advice of the Privy Council, or a Minister of the Crown in exceptional circumstances, has the power to introduce emergency regulations under the Civil Contingencies Act 2004, in case of an emergency, broadly defined as war or attack by a foreign power, terrorism which poses a threat of serious damage to the security of the UK, or events which threaten serious damage to human welfare or the environment of a place in the UK. The duration of these regulations is limited to thirty days, but may be extended by Parliament.
Was this ever put in during the Pandemic as "Threaten serious damage to human welfare" would apply there?
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Post by zahidf on Jan 10, 2022 12:34:41 GMT
With Parliament having to vote on things I was looking about State of Emergency as you hear that mentioned in other countries. In the UK it is defined under :- Civil Contingencies Act 2004 In the United Kingdom, only the British Sovereign,[131] on the advice of the Privy Council, or a Minister of the Crown in exceptional circumstances, has the power to introduce emergency regulations under the Civil Contingencies Act 2004, in case of an emergency, broadly defined as war or attack by a foreign power, terrorism which poses a threat of serious damage to the security of the UK, or events which threaten serious damage to human welfare or the environment of a place in the UK. The duration of these regulations is limited to thirty days, but may be extended by Parliament. Was this ever put in during the Pandemic as "Threaten serious damage to human welfare" would apply there? Oh, they COULD legally do it without a parliamentary vote. But no way will BJ survive doing that within his own party . The party are very much against any more restrictions and would immediately try to get rid of him. I dont see he would risk that over extending Plan B restrictions
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Post by duncan on Jan 10, 2022 13:35:41 GMT
BoJo is gone by the summer, the Tories are going to get gubbed at the local elections in May and the blame will be pinned solely on him.
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Post by Dawnstar on Jan 10, 2022 13:38:27 GMT
I'd be horrified if they removed the plan B measure in only 16 days' time. With rates still increasing for the majority of the UK it seems a crazy thing to do. Surely they need to keep the restictions in place until all of the UK is well over the peak.
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Post by zahidf on Jan 10, 2022 18:20:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 18:32:26 GMT
With Parliament having to vote on things I was looking about State of Emergency as you hear that mentioned in other countries. In the UK it is defined under :- Civil Contingencies Act 2004 In the United Kingdom, only the British Sovereign,[131] on the advice of the Privy Council, or a Minister of the Crown in exceptional circumstances, has the power to introduce emergency regulations under the Civil Contingencies Act 2004, in case of an emergency, broadly defined as war or attack by a foreign power, terrorism which poses a threat of serious damage to the security of the UK, or events which threaten serious damage to human welfare or the environment of a place in the UK. The duration of these regulations is limited to thirty days, but may be extended by Parliament. Was this ever put in during the Pandemic as "Threaten serious damage to human welfare" would apply there? Oh, they COULD legally do it without a parliamentary vote. But no way will BJ survive doing that within his own party . The party are very much against any more restrictions and would immediately try to get rid of him. I dont see he would risk that over extending Plan B restrictions If they would have done it then I guess you'd have done it at the start of the pandemic but if they know the regulations will get passed it saves going "Too heavy handed" or it is done with full agreement of Sir Keir so you could say the two main parties are behind the plans jointly. As regards Boris being gone by the summer the Tory party don't hang about when it comes to replacing a party leader if they think they can do better with someone else as their main concern is always "What will get us into power/keep us in power" whilst Labour can be more about principles and what they stand for.
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Post by talkingheads on Jan 10, 2022 19:38:17 GMT
I can't wait to see the amount of repercussions this won't bring on a single person in Government.
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Post by Jonnyboy on Jan 10, 2022 20:20:09 GMT
Why is wearing a mask in a shop or on public transport a restriction? It’s a courtesy to others at this time until things have settled. Calling it a restriction just gets people’s backs up from the off.
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Post by zahidf on Jan 10, 2022 20:44:31 GMT
If Gove is saying this publicly, as he was previously the most pro restrictions cabinet member, i dont see plan B lasting past end of this month I do think that’s optimistic, I think we will see at least one more extension to mid February to coincide with school half terms. Thats not what the govt are briefing
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Post by zahidf on Jan 10, 2022 20:47:32 GMT
Why is wearing a mask in a shop or on public transport a restriction? It’s a courtesy to others at this time until things have settled. Calling it a restriction just gets people’s backs up from the off. If its mandatory, it's a restriction... It's clear when it was voluntary that the majority of the people aren't willing to do it. Making them do it is a restriction!
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Post by fiyerorocher on Jan 10, 2022 20:51:02 GMT
Why is wearing a mask in a shop or on public transport a restriction? It’s a courtesy to others at this time until things have settled. Calling it a restriction just gets people’s backs up from the off. If its mandatory, it's a restriction... It's clear when it was voluntary that the majority of the people aren't willing to do it. Making them do it is a restriction! When people can't be voluntarily considerate, they make it clear that mandatory mask wearing is necessary. If people don't want restrictions, they have to learn some considerate behaviours on their own and unfortunately we've learnt a lot of people need to be threatened with fines before they'll think of others.
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