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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 0:09:50 GMT
I know the omicron variant is more contagious, but if theatres are as safe as they’ve been made out to be, and the people working in them are being tested regularly, and assuming they’ve done the responsible thing and gotten themselves vaccinated, then what’s gone so badly wrong to close so many shows all at the same time? I could understand a few needing to close at any one time, but this goes way beyond that. You've answered your own question - this virus is contagious. Being vaccinated doesn't stop you getting it, and being in close quarters with someone who has it makes it likely you will get it too. So it isn't at all surprising when multiple company members or crew go down with it around the same time, and theatres don't have infinite numbers of cast and crew. If a lead and their two understudies all test positive then I'm not sure how you expect them to do the show... Yes, sadly the increased risk of transmission with this variant does not bode well for live performance this winter. On a related note, it will be interesting to see if venues release data on the effects of mask mandates. I saw the Royal Opera House and various others quoted recently saying they’d had cancellations requested after they brought in mask mandates (ahead of government rules I think, though I could be wrong). But also saying other patrons approved of the move. Wonder if it splits 50/50? I’d like to support theatre etc - after I know I’ve had a safe Xmas with elderly relatives! - but I genuinely find masks physically and psychologically uncomfortable, so wearing one for a 2-hour + stretch would be unbearable. The sad thing is, the longer I stay away from theatre, the less I miss it. And I wonder how many others like me will feel the same after all this.
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Post by londonpostie on Dec 16, 2021 6:26:45 GMT
Yes, sadly the increased risk of transmission with this variant does not bode well for live performance this winter.
I don't know if I agree. Atm, it does seem as if the new variant is more contagious but at the same time, whether in the northern or southerm hemisphere, Covid does bring a huge winter spike and the weather hasn't been good. But even so, I suspect many of us - including theatre people - have been slow about the need to stay vigilant as the seasons change.
So perhaps we are in an adjustment phase - tightening up again. I also wonder sometimes how awful it would be to be known as *the* person responsible for halting a production. The potential of that will surely affect how performers and staff respond now.
I find it interesting to ponder if we might end up making large adjustments - for example, smaller casts in winter months, bigger productions in summer. Perhaps also breaking down into smaller 'units' people working on a show.
Perhaps we're still new to this and so perhaps not yet smart enough. Strange times, indeed.
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Post by Mr Crummles on Dec 16, 2021 10:31:16 GMT
I was in London about two weeks ago. What really struck me, actually more than the fact that some people were not wearing masks (I was prepared for that from previous experience), was maskless staff in all restaurants I went to. Cooks and waiters, the people who handle your food, and breathe on it till it's brought to you, were unprotected. In Dublin, restaurant staff, apart from wearing them, check your vaccination status, often asking for a photo ID, and try to sit people as far from each other as possible. Perhaps restaurant staff in London are checked daily, before they start working. If it is the case, for good PR they should put a notice, to reassure customers. Anyway, I do hope things will eventually get under control. I had to test myself before I came back to Ireland, and now we are asked to test for five consecutive days after returning.
Personally, I don’t think it’s possible to stop Covid in one country alone, and keep its population completely shielded from the virus while the virus rages on someplace else. We are too interconnected these days. We must have a concerted global effort in place for, as long as one large community is plagued by the virus, it will keep churning out variants that will eventually migrate to the rest of the globe. As with Climate Change, this is yet another challenge for the human species. Unite in one common effort or be exposed to disastrous consequences.
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Post by apwl on Dec 16, 2021 11:51:38 GMT
Now Six have cancelled performances today and tomorrow. This all feels very deja vu.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 12:32:30 GMT
Hamilton cancelled again today and Come From Away cancelled until Tuesday. Not good.
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Post by sfsusan on Dec 16, 2021 12:44:48 GMT
But even so, I suspect many of us - including theatre people - have been slow about the need to stay vigilant as the seasons change. Not just as the seasons change... as individuals, we should have been slower to drop every single precaution, even if the government said they were no longer mandatory.
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Post by theatreian on Dec 16, 2021 12:45:16 GMT
The way this variant is spreading , particularly in London it isn't going to get any better any time soon. My niece and all her housemates who live in London have all tested positive.
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Post by lichtie on Dec 16, 2021 12:57:16 GMT
That's not too surprising though - most covid infections are within households, so if one person gets it the chances are they all will. That was as true of delta as it is of omicron.
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Post by firefingers on Dec 16, 2021 13:00:38 GMT
The Masque of The Red Death arrived at my party yesterday: my show had its first positive case. That alone wipped out 5 people due to vaccine status and living arrangements, and obviously makes the rest of us very anxious. And the thought of contracting it now just before I'm meant to be seeing family at Christmas is not a good one.
The rate it is spreading, we won't have enough staff to keep essential bits of the country running. With people going into isolation for ten days things like emergency services, transport infrastructure and shops will see themselves understaffed to the point of inoperability. A friend who works with one of our former prime minister's says the relevant parties are making a plan for a two week lockdown in January, I guess pushing to preserve Christmas at all costs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 14:05:06 GMT
The rate of spread is worrying and with Xmas get togethers to come, plus NYE too it will make things worse. The Unis are now off which may help but students are back home and could be going out seeing friends which could cancel this out.
The schools finish in next few days so hopefully those couple of weeks help and less people will be travelling at peak times. I could see an early New Year shut down for a couple of weeks as a lot of venues are dark then. But what about none essential shops and hospitality, do they have to close too. Do schools go online for a couple of weeks?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 15:26:50 GMT
I had my booster today.
There was a long queue for the walk-in vaccinations so I asked how they were being handled. They're doing it on the basis of one person from the walk-in line for every three or four from the appointment line, with the aim of doing around 100 walk-ins this afternoon. The problem, of course, is that Boris Johnson promising walk-in vaccinations doesn't magically create the people to do the actual vaccinating and the advance appointments have already been planned based on the capacity of the centre, so although they have an additional person working there's a limit to how many extra people they can treat. So if you go for a walk-in get there early and expect to stand around for an hour or two; if you get there late you'll have to wait a lot longer and there's a chance you may not get seen at all.
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Post by talkingheads on Dec 16, 2021 16:26:19 GMT
Most of my timeline is now made up of shows being cancelled, not even due to positive cases but because the R number is now higher than it has ever been. I weep for comedians, actors and backstage staff, who are being completely shafted by the Government.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 16:28:44 GMT
I was wondering how this would work. Ideally you have one place for pre booked which people who don't have time or cannot physically stand around for that long use and maybe another location for walk ins.
We were doing huge vaccine numbers in the spring and as you go down the age ranges it should speed up as people will on average move a bit quicker. The booster rollout was going steadily until omnicron and I had booked mine 6 months to the day after number 2 jab. There was always the capacity to speed up as the first and thus 2nd doeses for under 50's slowed after mid March as 2nd doses for older and at risk people had to be done.
It does make me wonder if the older and at risk people who had 3rd doses in Sept/Oct might need another booster after Xmas if new variant proves to be problematic.
It is good to see 2nd dose numbers going up to their highest level for nearly 3 months too. Plus we are chipping away at first dosers too. The numbers are small but all helps as every refusenik won over helps.
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Post by londonpostie on Dec 16, 2021 16:44:06 GMT
Tbh, I read part of the excited messaging around Omicron to be about frightening non-vaxxed into action. I don't know a lot but it seems to me, in terms of NHS resources and deaths, that's where the gravy is now. Data is not yet showing meaningful increases in hospitalisations or deaths. Maybe that comes later in January (as it did last year), or maybe the vaccination programme will be seen to have dealt with much of it. Includes yesterday - worth scrolling for the age groups at the bottom:
1 million jabs a day increasingly plausible.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 16, 2021 17:07:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 17:30:51 GMT
You can check local figures on Gov Uk site for Birmingham in my area it is 33.8% unvaccinated. B'ham is said to be a young and diverse city. London is likely more diverse, I'm not sure about the age demographic. But in the Midlands we have had people of note from all political parties, faiths, nationalities etc encouraging people to be jabbed. So we really don't know if any faiths, ethnicity groups are really more hesitant than others apart from the general lower take up in those in thier teens and 20's compared to the older age brackets.
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Post by robertb213 on Dec 16, 2021 21:04:59 GMT
Got boosted today (I booked on Monday). 10 minutes queuing, sorted in 30 seconds. Can't fault it at all. I'm now eating chocolate to ward off any flu-like side effects 😁
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Post by jaqs on Dec 17, 2021 11:28:33 GMT
I tried booking when over 40s first opened but no booking ref came through. So I queued for 90minutes for a walk in today.
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Post by sfsusan on Dec 17, 2021 13:18:46 GMT
From the Cabaret thread (rather than detouring it further): No, it isn't rocket science, but if you really think cloth face coverings genuinely work as a reliable piece of PPE, then YOU need to bone up on your so-called science. From research published in the British Medical Journal: "Conclusions: This systematic review and meta-analysis suggests that several personal protective and social measures, including handwashing, mask wearing, and physical distancing are associated with reductions in the incidence of covid-19." www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-068302And a Michigan (US) epidemiologist said this about masking, testing and other precautions: "Swiss cheese – no one layer is perfect and they all have holes in them," she said. "But as you begin to stack those layers up, you build a wall between you and virus. The problem is, we put an over-emphasis on the vaccine and de-emphasize all of those other layers of protection." She and several other health care workers (all fully vaccinated) were at the center of a super-spreader event at a wedding. Precautions were taken at the ceremony but dropped for the reception. Many of those attending had recent negative COVID tests.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 13:21:50 GMT
And today I have the side effects. My shoulder was so painful I couldn't sleep at all last night and now I'm sitting here shivering with the central heating turned up to 18°. I'm usually an early riser so when I was finally able to drag myself out of bed at 11:30 I knew it was less than ideal.
Weird how the effects vary. The first shot and the booster flattened me; the second shot and the flu one were no bother at all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 13:27:25 GMT
And today I have the side effects. My shoulder was so painful I couldn't sleep at all last night and now I'm sitting here shivering with the central heating turned up to 18°. I'm usually an early riser so when I was finally able to drag myself out of bed at 11:30 I knew it was less than ideal.
Weird how the effects vary. The first shot and the booster flattened me; the second shot and the flu one were no bother at all.
Hope you perk up soon and effects are short lived and you are fully protected.
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Post by lynette on Dec 17, 2021 17:28:37 GMT
And today I have the side effects. My shoulder was so painful I couldn't sleep at all last night and now I'm sitting here shivering with the central heating turned up to 18°. I'm usually an early riser so when I was finally able to drag myself out of bed at 11:30 I knew it was less than ideal.
Weird how the effects vary. The first shot and the booster flattened me; the second shot and the flu one were no bother at all.
Hope you perk up soon and effects are short lived and you are fully protected. O dear and how odd. I just had a sore arm for a bit after the flu jab, nothing post covid. I’m lucky I suppose. So far……..Hope you can swing the cat round with bravado very soon.
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Post by robertb213 on Dec 17, 2021 19:05:58 GMT
I do have the sore arm from hell today and some mild grogginess but otherwise I'm all good. Well enough to drag myself to Cadogan Hall for Louise Dearman and Kerry Ellis tonight, anyway! 😁
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Post by Dawnstar on Dec 17, 2021 20:57:16 GMT
After days of haunting the NHS covid vaccine booking website, finally a new venue popped up this evening at the nearest hospital to me. So I've managed to change my booster appointment to early Sunday morning. Not soon enough to help with Tuesday's Nutcracker, indeed I suspect I may now have to definitely rule out the Nutcracker if I'm laid low with side effects, but hopefully even a few days earlier is of help in the overall national get-everyone-boosted-ASAP effort.
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Post by david on Dec 17, 2021 21:50:22 GMT
Got my booster jab tonight from a walk-in centre. A great set up and in and out within 30 minutes. I had originally booked for the end of the month, but with having to travel down to Kent for Christmas with family, I decided to bring it forward. It's just a weight off my mind that its sorted. I'm trying robertb213 's idea of eating chocolate to help ward off any side effects. So far, it's working!
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