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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 8, 2021 14:50:32 GMT
That’s why I think they should be a 2% tax per day working from home. So 10% extra on income tax if you want to work from five days a week. That might be one of the most ridiculous things I've read for quite some time. My salary is mine, and I am already taxed for my contribution to the public services and facilities I receive. So because I don't want to waste time, money and effort to trail into an office in order to sit at a different desk doing the same thing as I can do at my home desk, I should be punished by being taxed extra? What next? "Oh, Sharon, I see you brought lunch in a tupperware box instead of buying from Pret, that's an extra percentage on your tax this month!" That sort of thing smacks of sour grapes and is usually heard from people who don't have the option to work from home. There are people finding it hard to find jobs in some sectors that are not at least partly working from home when circumstances make it undesirable to do even part working from home for various reasons. |
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Post by christya on Oct 8, 2021 14:58:37 GMT
Or see the majority of jobs in your industry move to working from home when circumstances dictate working from home is not suitable or desirable. That sounds like an issue for you and your industry to resolve, and not a reason to expect to govern other people. Working from home will never suit everyone, or every type of job. That is absolutely no reason to try to deny it to the people it does work for. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Oct 8, 2021 15:02:41 GMT
Yes, it's not the total case rates that really indicate what is happening - what you need to look at is the positivity rate since that's telling you what fraction of those tests done show evidence for COVID. For that statistic it doesn't really matter whether testing is widespread or not as long as the samples are statistically equivalent (and they probably are for this).
I would have thought not matter what country, if you show signs of Covid you get tested. Why would someone getter tested if they’re not showing symptoms, unless they have to get tested as part of their employment etc. Conversely this is where I contradict myself and would say that some of the young, examples being anti vaxxers or non mask wearers that want to move on with their lives - may display symptoms but won’t get tested, so the daily figure is likely to be higher than it actually is. |
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Post by vdcni on Oct 8, 2021 15:08:20 GMT
Then perhaps you could provide some evidence for your claims. First hand experience of a relative who is experiencing this problem. Do you ever have any evidence for your various claims that isn't anecdotal. |
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 8, 2021 15:09:11 GMT
Yes, it's not the total case rates that really indicate what is happening - what you need to look at is the positivity rate since that's telling you what fraction of those tests done show evidence for COVID. For that statistic it doesn't really matter whether testing is widespread or not as long as the samples are statistically equivalent (and they probably are for this).
I would have thought not matter what country, if you show signs of Covid you get tested. Why would someone getter tested if they’re not showing symptoms, unless they have to get tested as part of their employment etc. Conversely this is where I contradict myself and would say that some of the young, examples being anti vaxxers or non mask wearers that want to move on with their lives - may display symptoms but won’t get tested, so the daily figure is likely to be higher than it actually is. That is likely the case in many countries but do some countries (such as India or Brazil) have the testing capacity to test everyone who has possible mild symptoms which don’t require any medical treatment. |
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 8, 2021 15:17:19 GMT
First hand experience of a relative who is experiencing this problem. Do you ever have any evidence for your various claims that isn't anecdotal. A You Gov poll shows that there is a age divide in if people should be encouraged to return to the offices or not. I suspect that partly comes from the fact a lot of retirement aged people don’t really get technology - I imagine they will be a correlation between internet usage and thinking working from home is good or bad for that age group - the most technically capable are probably mostly in the opposition to encouragement to return category while those who rarely or never use the internet mostly in opposition. |
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 8, 2021 15:22:09 GMT
Sadly Cases are up again today week on week for the entire UK and this is despite a technical error meaning today’s figures don’t include Wales. Cases in England are up about 11% week on week.
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Post by nick on Oct 8, 2021 15:57:44 GMT
Yes, it's not the total case rates that really indicate what is happening - what you need to look at is the positivity rate since that's telling you what fraction of those tests done show evidence for COVID. For that statistic it doesn't really matter whether testing is widespread or not as long as the samples are statistically equivalent (and they probably are for this).
I would have thought not matter what country, if you show signs of Covid you get tested. Why would someone getter tested if they’re not showing symptoms, unless they have to get tested as part of their employment etc. Conversely this is where I contradict myself and would say that some of the young, examples being anti vaxxers or non mask wearers that want to move on with their lives - may display symptoms but won’t get tested, so the daily figure is likely to be higher than it actually is. You can still get tests (for free) in this country even if you don't have symptoms. My son had a cold last week so, even though he's double vaccinated, he took a couple of tests. They were both negative but I can imagine some being positive - I can also imagine this scenario not happening in other countries. Actually what happens about tests in countries where health care is not free at the point of contact? Do they all offer free covid testing? |
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Post by fluxcapacitor on Oct 8, 2021 16:00:51 GMT
Do you ever have any evidence for your various claims that isn't anecdotal. A You Gov poll shows that there is a age divide in if people should be encouraged to return to the offices or not. I suspect that partly comes from the fact a lot of retirement aged people don’t really get technology - I imagine they will be a correlation between internet usage and thinking working from home is good or bad for that age group - the most technically capable are probably mostly in the opposition to encouragement to return category while those who rarely or never use the internet mostly in opposition. This doesn't in any way provide proof for the point you were trying to make, but it is definitely interesting and corresponds with the overall view I'm witnessing in my office. There are some that balk the trend, but there's a real sway towards "everyone needs to come back into the office" in the over 55s. Coincidentally, they're all middle classed, white people in senior roles - many with their own private offices - who can afford to drive in to avoid the cramped tube, and dine out every day. |
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Post by nick on Oct 8, 2021 16:06:35 GMT
Do you ever have any evidence for your various claims that isn't anecdotal. A You Gov poll shows that there is a age divide in if people should be encouraged to return to the offices or not. I suspect that partly comes from the fact a lot of retirement aged people don’t really get technology - I imagine they will be a correlation between internet usage and thinking working from home is good or bad for that age group - the most technically capable are probably mostly in the opposition to encouragement to return category while those who rarely or never use the internet mostly in opposition. So people who are not working think people who are working should go back to the office? Quelle surprise. I'm retired but my daughter has been working from home very successfully full time while her fiancé has to go in 2 days a week because that is what works for him. They both work for the same company who, sensibly, look at people's work pattern and adjust accordingly. I don't see how (or why) this particular Pandora's box can be closed. Many jobs can and will be done from home. In many cases job satisfaction and productivity will rise. In areas where that does not happen then home working will whither away again. That's how it works. The government sticking their oar in with taxes or whatever isn't going to work or happen. Why should it? Add this to the decline of high street shopping as a symptom of how technology is changing our world. Personally I'm all for it. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2021 16:12:08 GMT
Coincidentally, they're all middle classed, white people in senior roles - many with their own private offices - who can afford to drive in to avoid the cramped tube, and dine out every day. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a strong element of that in there. Working from home is a leveller. Good heavens: even someone who isn't management can get a private office and a chair by a window and can cover their desk with cats if they so choose. |
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 8, 2021 16:52:52 GMT
I think it depends on IT skills. My elderly neighbour does not even have a mobile phone let alone internet access and it was quite distressing for her when her surgery refused to book an appointment for her over the phone telling her to go online. It took a complaint from her daughter for the surgery to put her on a list of patients allowed to continue to phone for appointments. Equally a relative is only a year younger than my neighbour and she has zoom chats with medical professionals and relatives and is always online doing things.
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Post by vdcni on Oct 8, 2021 17:33:47 GMT
Non working people more in favour of the rest of us going back to the office, there's a shock. There was a similar divide, even more stark from memory, when asked about vaccine passports for bars and clubs. The less it affects them the more the over 65s are in favour.
Lots of companies have been using online as their main form of communication well before the pandemic but people working from home can still take calls.
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Post by sfsusan on Oct 8, 2021 17:44:21 GMT
Why would someone getter tested if they’re not showing symptoms, unless they have to get tested as part of their employment etc. I test if I'm going to the theater or other indoor venue, if I've been in a medical environment or if I'm going on a train or plane (even if it's not required by my destination). Why? Because I'd prefer to know if I'm contagious before I endanger other people. Isn't that the whole point of the NHS at-home test kits? |
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Post by nick on Oct 8, 2021 18:17:02 GMT
Why would someone getter tested if they’re not showing symptoms, unless they have to get tested as part of their employment etc. I test if I'm going to the theater or other indoor venue, if I've been in a medical environment or if I'm going on a train or plane (even if it's not required by my destination). Why? Because I'd prefer to know if I'm contagious before I endanger other people. Isn't that the whole point of the NHS at-home test kits? You are my sort of people. Thank you. |
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 8, 2021 23:57:52 GMT
As reported before free tests are looking like they will be restricted.
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Post by lynette on Oct 9, 2021 20:07:34 GMT
I think it depends on IT skills. My elderly neighbour does not even have a mobile phone let alone internet access and it was quite distressing for her when her surgery refused to book an appointment for her over the phone telling her to go online. It took a complaint from her daughter for the surgery to put her on a list of patients allowed to continue to phone for appointments. Equally a relative is only a year younger than my neighbour and she has zoom chats with medical professionals and relatives and is always online doing things. Honestly where do they find these silly rules bound people? I am quite capable of using the internet ( fellow mods may disagree ) but i phoned for all my appointments and nobody complained. In fact the service i have to call ( Haringay ) were delightful on every interaction. |
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 9, 2021 21:47:44 GMT
I think it depends on IT skills. My elderly neighbour does not even have a mobile phone let alone internet access and it was quite distressing for her when her surgery refused to book an appointment for her over the phone telling her to go online. It took a complaint from her daughter for the surgery to put her on a list of patients allowed to continue to phone for appointments. Equally a relative is only a year younger than my neighbour and she has zoom chats with medical professionals and relatives and is always online doing things. Honestly where do they find these silly rules bound people? I am quite capable of using the internet ( fellow mods may disagree ) but i phoned for all my appointments and nobody complained. In fact the service i have to call ( Haringay ) were delightful on every interaction. GP receptionist’s are often rule based and at times rude. I am fairly lucky that the majority are of the staff at my practice (different to the one my neighbour goes to) are friendly and helpful and not rude. |
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Post by alece10 on Oct 10, 2021 8:43:36 GMT
As reported before free tests are looking like they will be restricted. I think this has started. I was in Boots a few days ago and a woman asked for some. She was told they don't give them out anymore and she had to download a QR code from somewhere to apply for them. |
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Post by vdcni on Oct 10, 2021 9:50:22 GMT
So according to the papers today the government is trying to push the line that working from home allowed the Taliban to win, glossing over the whole Raab was completely in charge while on the beach, and would have led to us losing WW2 again ignoring that civil servants were evacuated during the war.
The commercial landlords must be piling the pressure on.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Oct 10, 2021 10:00:14 GMT
In Johnson’s conference speech the evacuation of Kabul was a triumph. All bullsh*t but people fall for it every time, success Wed, failure Sun.
If the present you've created is broken, and the future you're building looks worse, the best place to live is the past.
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 10, 2021 10:11:31 GMT
So according to the papers today the government is trying to push the line that working from home allowed the Taliban to win, glossing over the whole Raab was completely in charge while on the beach, and would have led to us losing WW2 again ignoring that civil servants were evacuated during the war. The commercial landlords must be piling the pressure on. Landlords and demands from their anti work from home voters who are usually either elderly or can’t work from home in their job. |
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 10, 2021 10:18:55 GMT
So according to the papers today the government is trying to push the line that working from home allowed the Taliban to win, glossing over the whole Raab was completely in charge while on the beach, and would have led to us losing WW2 again ignoring that civil servants were evacuated during the war. The commercial landlords must be piling the pressure on. Landlords and demands from their anti work from voters who are usually either elderly or can’t work from home in that job. The amount of money I'm saving without a pointless commute means that home ownership seems attainable for the first time in my life, so I am never, ever going back into the office. I am provably more productive at home, I am more rejuvenated by my breaks because I have all my own stuff and I have more time with my family. The perfect work/life balance. |
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 10, 2021 12:26:45 GMT
The Government tends to listen to the Mail so I fully expect some dramatic policy designed to limit working from home to be proposed by them this autumn to please then and get good headlines.
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 10, 2021 13:38:35 GMT
The Government tends to listen to the Mail so I fully expect some dramatic policy designed to limit working from home to be proposed by them this autumn to please then and get good headlines. Surely the Goverment can't impose how employees of private businesses work? There will be a revolt if they try. |
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