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Post by jojo on Jul 8, 2022 11:51:09 GMT
The thing that I find distasteful about modern politics is the hypocrisy and holier than thou posturing. It affects all parties. More humility and honesty would do us all good And it would certainly do politicians good to actually study our laws and constitution before going in front of a camera/keyboard. Learn what mechanisms exist within our set up before starting to make pointless demands. The same also goes for political journalists who should really do their homework before asking a single question. True, to an extent. There are deals and manoeuvres in all parties, and often people involved know there are bodies buried, and want to act before they surface. But I don't think it's dishonest to say this particular crop are spectacularly awful. They've known about the bodies, and have been gaslighting the public about their existence for months. This goes beyond disagreeing on policy, but cuts to the heart of what it means to be a public servant. Johnson got rid of everyone who might stand up against him and surrounded himself with yes men and women. He's not the first, and probably not the last, but too many people saw what was happening and supported him anyway - largely to satisfy their Brexit nationalism. Speaking of nationalists turning a blind eye for the cause. It's about time Ian Blackford resigned for his involvement with the Patrick Grady incident. For those unfamiliar, the story is remarkably similar to Mr Pincher's. A young member of staff (nineteen at the time) reported sexual harassment to Blackford back in 2016. Blackford thought it would be a good idea to abandon protocol and force the victim into a meeting with his assaulter - without advanced warning. His assaulter being the Chief Whip of the SNP, who stayed in post all during the investigation. The investigation upheld the complaint and he was suspended, albeit briefly, from parliament. Blackford (amongst others) was recorded encouraging SNP MPs to welcome him back and give him support after his suspension. The victim has been bullied by the SNP group, and just this week had his email access suspended because he has complained about how he was treated during the process. Nicola Sturgeon knew about it too. I think there were some half-hearted attempts to claim a lack of knowledge of the specific details (just like Johnson), but it's not credible. Grady did finally resign the SNP Whip, but good luck finding anyone in the SNP who will condemn him, Blackford or Sturgeon.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 8, 2022 12:57:37 GMT
The SNP handling of this has been appalling. Blackford and Sturgeon should both resign.
But they won't.
Sturgeon as a dreadful track record when dealing with issues of abuse.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2022 12:19:08 GMT
I don't know if the party could stop him calling an election. He might lose but if a PM was getting it from all sides he puts a lot of the problem members out of seats and they wouldn't get all the extra jobs/opportunities a future PM may get? People know I'm a Tory but I said a few months ago he needs to go for the sake of the party. 12 years we've been back in power only the last few with any sort of majority and that was dominated by Brexit and Covid. I wonder if Mr Javid regrets resigning in Feb 2020 as a couple more year's as Chancellor and it would have made more impact and he'd have been at top of the queue to replace Boris. I am questioning if you are True Blue Tory though. Too nice I am economically right wing but socially more centralist. I think the "nasty" side of both major parties are the the very right wing tories and the ultra left of the the Labour Party
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2022 12:25:53 GMT
There is just no way he can lead for three months. So few MPs do have confidence in him we currently have no functioning Government. How would anything get done? Mind you, the longer he stays the worse it gets for the Tories, so not all bad. If anyone was going to take their toys and leave it was Boris. If a PM resigned then it causes a possible constitutional crisis and does HM on advice from the Gov ask someone to form a Govt in theory Mr Raab as deputy but Tories don't often have deputy leaders. An opposition leader quitting and the deputy taking over as has happened with Labour on a few occasions is different. Also Labour have a nominated Deputy Leader who can take over. In some ways with Commons in recess next week Boris staying on makes sense. Say he had gone, Raab says no thanks. Could one of the leadership candidates fairly step in as a stand in PM or do you ask the Tories to find a caretaker leader. That is almost getting into Francis Urquhart territory and Mr Rees-Mogg couldn't possibly comment!
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Post by Jon on Jul 11, 2022 12:27:16 GMT
I think Boris will go on one of the reality shows either next year or the year after, he'd get some decent dosh especially from IAC, probably be too expensive for Strictly.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 11, 2022 13:22:56 GMT
I am questioning if you are True Blue Tory though. Too nice I am economically right wing but socially more centralist. I think the "nasty" side of both major parties are the the very right wing tories and the ultra left of the the Labour Party Do you know I thought so, you are going to vote for Keir at the next general election....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2022 14:41:45 GMT
No I've been Tory since John Major took over, voted Labour for my first couple of times, nearly voted Green in 1989 Euros before then. But where I live has always een safe Labour Parliamentary seat never even went Blue in 1983.
Sir Kier in many ways would be a perfect Tory he looks more a Tory than most of them. Like Therese Coffey if ever you had a Labour Social Worker type femminist characterture it would be her.
With politics it is the middle 20% or so of voters who decide an election those who voted for Maggie or then later demographic voted for Tony and who supported Boris last time who decides any election.
Really if Kier coud plug into the 40% that Catweazle got in 2017 he'd be in a pretty strong position but was that a remain protest vote.
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Post by og on Jul 11, 2022 14:53:51 GMT
No I've been Tory since John Major took over, voted Labour for my first couple of times, nearly voted Green in 1989 Euros before then. But where I live has always een safe Labour Parliamentary seat never even went Blue in 1983. Sir Kier in many ways would be a perfect Tory he looks more a Tory than most of them. Like Therese Coffey if ever you had a Labour Social Worker type femminist characterture it would be her. With politics it is the middle 20% or so of voters who decide an election those who voted for Maggie or then later demographic voted for Tony and who supported Boris last time who decides any election. Really if Kier coud plug into the 40% that Catweazle got in 2017 he'd be in a pretty strong position but was that a remain protest vote. Historically, but these days it's really the press who 'decide' well in advance with their vicious twist on character, policy and action through disinformation on an industrial scale. The people merely action this decision.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2022 15:13:42 GMT
The press has been Tory leaning apart from the Mirror/Guardian/Independent for as long as I can remember. But with press/media in so many forms now, its hard to judge ho listens/reads and believes what. Both Labour and Tories have accused Beeb and ITV of being in favour with the other usually when they are in power. Mr Wilson and Mrs Thatcher both had distrust and tried to clup Beeb's wings.
In last couple of years I've really noticed how a news editorial can keep a story high or low news, does this have to be in line with the Government's agenda, hopefully not and the press do point out inconsistencies and double standards.
Lets get all those Bishops on the spot when they virtue signal about deporting people hear their views on Roe vs Wade etc. Call out the likes of the green brigade who travel around the world telling us to cut down our emissions etc,
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 15, 2022 3:58:38 GMT
Posts removed. Can we please not discuss public figures (or anyone else) who have been found not guilty in a criminal trial as if they are actually guilty. Thanks.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 15, 2022 4:08:00 GMT
I do hope we see the back of Stanley Johnson and Rachel Johnson when Boris goes. The former has been riding his son’s coattails for years despite the fact that they barely speak and the latter has carved out a media career based on her brothers name and zero talent.
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Post by anthony40 on Jul 15, 2022 7:57:49 GMT
the latter has carved out a media career based on her brothers name and zero talent. Are you sure that's not Gemma Collins that you're talking about BurlyBeaR?
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Post by Jon on Jul 15, 2022 9:01:35 GMT
I do hope we see the back of Stanley Johnson and Rachel Johnson when Boris goes. The former has been riding his son’s coattails for years despite the fact that they barely speak and the latter has carved out a media career based on her brothers name and zero talent. The Johnsons were fairly prominent even before Boris became PM so I can't imagine people will stop booking them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2022 9:41:23 GMT
BoJo and GC if either transitioned would probably look like the other.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Oct 20, 2022 20:47:31 GMT
Interesting that while Parliament sits and fights over budgets and fracking where is Boris?
On holiday in the Caribean
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Post by olliebean on Oct 20, 2022 22:50:08 GMT
Word is he's cutting his holiday short to fly back in case there's a chance of him getting on the ballot.
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