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Post by n1david on Oct 15, 2020 10:40:11 GMT
That's not true. Restaurants had to use government branded logos too for Eat Out to Help Out No, jt was not obligatory. The Government made materials available but use of them was optional, and they were certainly not required to use their social media accounts to praise the Government. Note the use of the word "can":
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 15, 2020 10:44:28 GMT
With London going into Tier Two, does anyone know how this affects live performances if people aren't allowed to meet up indoors?
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Post by vdcni on Oct 15, 2020 10:50:20 GMT
It's also not the same thing, Eat Out to Help Out was essentially a subsidy for the consumer to encourage them to eat out. It made sense for restaurants to use the slogan as it was advertising cheap meals and getting people through the door. They mostly used the slogan but not much else.
Given the government has spent the last 8 months handing over billions to companies run by mates and donors with very little scrutiny or transparency why is it that the arts suddenly get lumbered with extra conditions.
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Post by vdcni on Oct 15, 2020 10:52:14 GMT
With London going into Tier Two, does anyone know how this affects live performances if people aren't allowed to meet up indoors? No mixing of households indoors, with venues operating social distancing people can still attend as long as they are only sitting with their household I think. Same as pubs and restaurants.
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Post by vickyg on Oct 15, 2020 10:53:42 GMT
With London going into Tier Two, does anyone know how this affects live performances if people aren't allowed to meet up indoors? Technically people shouldn’t have been booking pairs/groups of seats with those outside their household/bubble anyway so shouldn’t make any difference.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Oct 15, 2020 11:03:27 GMT
No impact confirmed by the Bridge Theatre.
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Post by CG on the loose on Oct 15, 2020 11:31:06 GMT
Just received email from Newbury Corn Exchange (in error as it turns out as I don't currently have a booking with them!) but I was impressed with the steps they're taking to safely maximise their capacity on re-opening:
"We have been working hard to find the most financially viable ways to present shows this autumn and consequently we are rebuilding our auditorium so we can increase capacity whilst still adhering to all social distancing measures. Our new seating layout will have more space between rows, the new seats will have individual arm rests, and, instead of seats being left between each booking, household groups will be kept separate using dividing Perspex screens"
The only other venue I'm aware of using the perspex screens approach is Southwark Playhouse, which is very much smaller. Presumably they've done the maths and the investment is justified by the potential returns, which gives me more hope for other similar venues.
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Post by lynette on Oct 15, 2020 12:09:17 GMT
With London going into Tier Two, does anyone know how this affects live performances if people aren't allowed to meet up indoors? No mixing of households indoors, with venues operating social distancing people can still attend as long as they are only sitting with their household I think. Same as pubs and restaurants. This is interesting cos the place i just called refused to give me a refund even when i explained that we would be not all of the same household. They say they are not cancelling until told to. But from what i gather i would be breaking the rules if i take a person, in this case a toddler who is not in my household. On the other hand i would be providing a continuation of the ‘informal child care’ that i do regularly provide. I do not want to be sitting inside a theatre if the government says i should not be in more than one household as with restaurants as stated above......they offer a credit note. Shall i just take that anyway and call it more or less a donation to the theatre as it is unlikely i can go to anything they offer for the foreseeable future?
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Post by bordeaux on Oct 15, 2020 12:26:53 GMT
No impact confirmed by the Bridge Theatre. The question is - do theatres check couples' addresses, or what? Is it done on a trust basis? Will they check if the woman I'm with is my wife or my sister or a friend? What is happening at the moment?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 12:39:51 GMT
With London going into Tier Two, does anyone know how this affects live performances if people aren't allowed to meet up indoors? Doesn't affect live performances happening unless additional restrictions are imposed by local authorities (I can't see that happening). Only difference is if you booked to go with someone who isn't in your household or support bubble then technically both of you shouldn't attend.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 12:41:47 GMT
Given the government has spent the last 8 months handing over billions to companies run by mates and donors with very little scrutiny or transparency why is it that the arts suddenly get lumbered with extra conditions. Why does it really matter? It's a small additional ask in exchange for quite a lot of money. I really don't see that in the current climate it is worth making any fuss about it whatsoever.
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Post by vdcni on Oct 15, 2020 12:55:11 GMT
Given the government has spent the last 8 months handing over billions to companies run by mates and donors with very little scrutiny or transparency why is it that the arts suddenly get lumbered with extra conditions. Why does it really matter? It's a small additional ask in exchange for quite a lot of money. I really don't see that in the current climate it is worth making any fuss about it whatsoever. I don't know, why did it matter so much to the government that only the arts had to do this. I really don't see that in the current climate it is worth them making any fuss about it whatsoever.
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Post by lichtie on Oct 15, 2020 13:33:36 GMT
No mixing of households indoors, with venues operating social distancing people can still attend as long as they are only sitting with their household I think. Same as pubs and restaurants. This is interesting cos the place i just called refused to give me a refund even when i explained that we would be not all of the same household. They say they are not cancelling until told to. But from what i gather i would be breaking the rules if i take a person, in this case a toddler who is not in my household. On the other hand i would be providing a continuation of the ‘informal child care’ that i do regularly provide. I do not want to be sitting inside a theatre if the government says i should not be in more than one household as with restaurants as stated above......they offer a credit note. Shall i just take that anyway and call it more or less a donation to the theatre as it is unlikely i can go to anything they offer for the foreseeable future? I don't think the rules on childcare bubbles specifically say they must take place in the home, so you may be permitted if the toddler fell into that category.
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Post by lynette on Oct 15, 2020 14:04:34 GMT
This is interesting cos the place i just called refused to give me a refund even when i explained that we would be not all of the same household. They say they are not cancelling until told to. But from what i gather i would be breaking the rules if i take a person, in this case a toddler who is not in my household. On the other hand i would be providing a continuation of the ‘informal child care’ that i do regularly provide. I do not want to be sitting inside a theatre if the government says i should not be in more than one household as with restaurants as stated above......they offer a credit note. Shall i just take that anyway and call it more or less a donation to the theatre as it is unlikely i can go to anything they offer for the foreseeable future? I don't think the rules on childcare bubbles specifically say they must take place in the home, so you may be permitted if the toddler fell into that category. Thanks, yes, i tend to agree there but the gov regs which a friend has found and read out to me on the phone ( def a one man show there, anybody?) do not refer to taking that informal childcare into other venues... they cant think of everything i suppose but i wonder how many if any people who actually do childcare were involved in the writing of the regs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 15:39:48 GMT
Why does it really matter? It's a small additional ask in exchange for quite a lot of money. I really don't see that in the current climate it is worth making any fuss about it whatsoever. I don't know, why did it matter so much to the government that only the arts had to do this. I really don't see that in the current climate it is worth them making any fuss about it whatsoever. Very mature. But if you don't have an answer to a genuine question then I suppose that is all you can do.
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Post by vdcni on Oct 15, 2020 16:11:12 GMT
I don't know, why did it matter so much to the government that only the arts had to do this. I really don't see that in the current climate it is worth them making any fuss about it whatsoever. Very mature. But if you don't have an answer to a genuine question then I suppose that is all you can do. I'm sorry if you thought your post was worth a more thoughtful approach. I wonder why you didn't respond to the question in my original post as to why the arts have been singled out for this when many more billions have been frittered away on failing systems.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 16:24:34 GMT
Very mature. But if you don't have an answer to a genuine question then I suppose that is all you can do. I'm sorry if you thought your post was worth a more thoughtful approach. I wonder why you didn't respond to the question in my original post as to why the arts have been singled out for this when many more billions have been frittered away on failing systems. I didn't respond because I'm not a member of the government and have no idea why they have taken this approach or why billions have been frittered away elsewhere. The choice to make a fuss about it was yours, so presumably you have a reason for doing so and therefore can answer my question...
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Post by steve10086 on Oct 15, 2020 18:32:03 GMT
No impact confirmed by the Bridge Theatre. The question is - do theatres check couples' addresses, or what? Is it done on a trust basis? Will they check if the woman I'm with is my wife or my sister or a friend? What is happening at the moment? Who is that lady you’re with? That’s no lady, that’s my wife!
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Post by Rozzi Rainbow on Oct 18, 2020 16:28:32 GMT
I have been quite happy to get out and about doing things again, when venues have been allowed to reopen safely, and up until now I haven't been overly concerned. (I accept that not everyone will hold this view, and that it's everyone's own choice what they are happy to take part in.)
I was surprised yesterday to find myself in a situation I found quite concerning. My local bowling alley reopened this month after being refurbished during the lockdown. I booked earlier in the week to go yesterday, and on the booking screen alternate lanes were blocked out, which seemed sensible to me. I was looking forward to not having to fight over the balls with the group in next lane (COVID aside, this always used to annoy me).
So I was very surprised that not long after we started, a father and son appeared on the adjacent lane to us. The screen was programmed for them, so they were in the right place. When we arrived, we'd been told we could take our masks off while we were at our lane, which I was happy to do at the time as I classed it as a form of exercise. But this then meant we were at times within one metre of the other group, all of us without masks, with them seemingly quite happy to pick up any bowling ball from the joint rack. It got to the stage where I retrieved the one I was using straight away, and sat holding it until it was my turn again! There was plenty of hand sanistiser available, but I didn't fancy applying it 40 times over the two games we played! I didn't feel as though I played as well as I could have, if the other group hadn't been there.
The bowling alley is in a tier 2 location, and we'd travelled from tier 1, which was a bit concerning. They also didn't have any screens or anything like that in the restaurant, although it was reasonably quiet.
I don't really know why I'm so bothered about this, but it annoys me that we're not allowed to sit in a theatre with masks, yet we're allowed to bowl in close quarters. I understand it's very hard for small businesses to get by on reduced numbers, and they wouldn't want to turn people away when they had lanes empty, but it's what cinemas and other places have to do. And after everything that's been drummed into us over the past seven months, it just felt like it suddenly didn't really matter any more.
Out of interest, I looked up the procedures at my next nearest bowling alley, which is part of a chain. They confirm that all the balls are sanitised between each group, and each group uses their own balls. This reassures me more, so I think I might give them a go in a few weeks' time. I don't have any desire to go back to yesterday's place, at least not while they remain in tier 2.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 17:09:13 GMT
I don't really know why I'm so bothered about this, but it annoys me that we're not allowed to sit in a theatre with masks, yet we're allowed to bowl in close quarters. I understand it's very hard for small businesses to get by on reduced numbers, and they wouldn't want to turn people away when they had lanes empty, but it's what cinemas and other places have to do. Assuming they are allowed, and weren't simply bending the rules a bit.
In the long run I think it's probably detrimental for a business not to take the rules seriously. I wouldn't want to go back to somewhere that was clearly making only a half-hearted effort to keep people safe, not just because of Covid-19 issues but also because if they're willing to push the boundaries of safety where the public can see them what other health and safety rules might they be ignoring out of sight?
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Post by RedRose on Oct 21, 2020 9:00:15 GMT
But this then meant we were at times within one metre of the other group, all of us without masks, The bowling alley is in a tier 2 location, and we'd travelled from tier 1, which was a bit concerning. They also didn't have any screens or anything like that in the restaurant, although it was reasonably quiet. I don't really know why I'm so bothered about this, but it annoys me that we're not allowed to sit in a theatre with masks, yet we're allowed to bowl in close quarters. I understand it's very hard for small businesses to get by on reduced numbers, and they wouldn't want to turn people away when they had lanes empty, but it's what cinemas and other places have to do. And after everything that's been drummed into us over the past seven months, it just felt like it suddenly didn't really matter any more. You should be concerned about close contact without mask. Do you know how well the ventilation system works? We know now that in most cases aerosols are responsibele for transmission. Wearing masks can reduce them and you need a good ventilation system with fresh air exchange (and with suitable filters), distancing helps too. In a good ventilated theatre, with people wearing masks and with a bit of a distance there is safety. But I don't think most of the old theatres have them. Also running them full capacity would not be safe.
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Post by Jan on Oct 23, 2020 9:30:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 9:48:08 GMT
There are plenty of contentious choices for handouts of this fund. Why choose to highlight this racially aggravated article by the facist Daily Mail?
Businesses had to demonstrate a significant plan to utilize cash. Towersey folk festival, an annual Folk Festival in August used as an example, would probably have had no plan to do anything until August 21 so rightfully well down the list.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 9:50:52 GMT
Yes. It’s called ‘playing one off against the other’.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 10:08:27 GMT
I'm rather more concerned by the fact that at a time when the government is struggling to find the money for everything it needs to do the Department for Transport has decided that what the country really needs is a £7m rebranding of Highways England.
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