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Post by The Matthew on May 12, 2020 8:02:16 GMT
Llanymynech golf course in Oswestry straddles the Welsh/England border so apparently due to restrictions in Wales you can only play three of the holes on the course from the English side...what a farce😂 What's so ridiculous about that? Different countries have different laws, so you'd expect to to have unusual situations at the point where the rules change. There are places on the Belgian/Dutch border where shops and cafes straddle the border and so different sides of the shop have different opening hours. There's a village on the US/Canada border where the gas station is in the US but can only be reached from Canada, so anyone wanting to fill up has to check in at the US border point (which is on a different road) before they can enter the US to buy petrol. There's a footpath in Germany that's actually part of Belgium. Picking out a special case and sneering at it because it sounds odd doesn't imply anything about the rules in force everywhere else. Special cases are always going to sound odd because they are special cases.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 12, 2020 8:44:05 GMT
I can't be the only one who is thinking Captain Zep Superspace Detective. And remember space cadets 'stay alert'
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 12, 2020 8:45:53 GMT
Llanymynech golf course in Oswestry straddles the Welsh/England border so apparently due to restrictions in Wales you can only play three of the holes on the course from the English side...what a farce😂 This story put statarists out of a job Rules are rules
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Post by talkingheads on May 12, 2020 11:54:30 GMT
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Post by horton on May 12, 2020 12:14:13 GMT
Llanymynech golf course in Oswestry straddles the Welsh/England border so apparently due to restrictions in Wales you can only play three of the holes on the course from the English side...what a farce😂 What's so ridiculous about that? Different countries have different laws, so you'd expect to to have unusual situations at the point where the rules change. There are places on the Belgian/Dutch border where shops and cafes straddle the border and so different sides of the shop have different opening hours. There's a village on the US/Canada border where the gas station is in the US but can only be reached from Canada, so anyone wanting to fill up has to check in at the US border point (which is on a different road) before they can enter the US to buy petrol. There's a footpath in Germany that's actually part of Belgium. Picking out a special case and sneering at it because it sounds odd doesn't imply anything about the rules in force everywhere else. Special cases are always going to sound odd because they are special cases. I thought this was the UNITED Kingdom. The response from Scotland and Wales clarify the purely political nature of the change in advice. It was inevitable that the anti-lockdown movement would point to the apparent drop in death toll as evidence that lockdown was unnecessary- utterly ignoring the fact that lockdown was designed to reduce the rate of death from the virus. Sadly, even the positive figures are debatable- the O.N.S. has published data that contradicts the government's lower figures today. I suspected in mid-March that the equation this government was balancing was fear + anger vs boredom + financial pressure. And fundamentally, nothing has changed since the day it was decided lockdown was necessary. We are back to the guidance we had for 3 days prior to lockdown! Yet again, even with weeks to formulate the "road map", the government (which, incidentally, envelopes itself in political spin to avoid criticism- so let's not talk about "playing politics in a national emergency"), has come up with a vague approach, pushing responsibility for the nation's well-being back on the individual. Compare this with the strategies in New Zealand, Germany and South Korea, for example. The fundamental fact is that the virus has not gone away. So we have the choice a) isolate in lockdown to reduce transmission or b) ALL follow specific behaviour to minimize risk We don't have such a protocol from the government- we have vague slogans (what exactly are we being alert for? clouds of germs? someone having a single cough? someone who looks a bit dirty?) and contradictory recommendations: look at the crowds on the Tube- how are those people supposed to "go back to work" (since they can't work from home), AND avoid public transport (there are not enough Ubers in the country to cope with that demand), for instance? What happened to the hints of staggered work hours? What about public transport running at 10% capacity? Such things require co-ordination, not individual choices. The UK government has demonstrably shown itself to be incompetent during this crisis- we could consider early complacency, delay in banning mass gatherings, mis-use of resources, the PPE and care home scandals, bungled procurement, MPs being unable to interpret the government's advice correctly etc etc etc. Is it any wonder there is so much anxiety about lack of faith in this latest plan?
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Post by xanady on May 12, 2020 16:34:06 GMT
^Trying to use a little satirical humour and levity,The Matthew,that’s all...not sneering at anything...just pointing out the ridiculous nature of the situation we are all in. Not a single govt minister on Pier’s Morgan’s show or any other tv show has been able to explain all the farcical anomalies in the new rules.They all appear to be baffled and confused by the ‘loopholes’ in the system.Confusion reigns. Even the new furlough system announced earlier today is riddled with problems according to Martin Lewis’s website. Keep expecting Frank Spencer or Basil Fawlty to turn up at the daily briefings..,or perhaps Corporal Jones...don’t panic!!! Anyway.... am off to play three holes of golf tomorrow morning in Oswestry,not fore...sorry four😂
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Post by Dawnstar on May 12, 2020 16:40:42 GMT
Film and TV production restarting with social distancing. No I don't know how that will work either: Presumably no love scenes allowed!
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Post by talkingheads on May 12, 2020 16:45:24 GMT
Film and TV production restarting with social distancing. No I don't know how that will work either: Presumably no love scenes allowed! Also no affairs, fights or pub scenes in soaps. Eastenders to be given new two minute timeslot.
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Post by theatreian on May 12, 2020 17:10:40 GMT
As most of the action takes place in the pub, bistro, café etc in soaps it will be interesting to see what they do!
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Post by Jan on May 12, 2020 17:14:15 GMT
Yet again, even with weeks to formulate the "road map", the government (which, incidentally, envelopes itself in political spin to avoid criticism- so let's not talk about "playing politics in a national emergency"), has come up with a vague approach, pushing responsibility for the nation's well-being back on the individual. Compare this with the strategies in New Zealand, Germany and South Korea, for example. OK. Go ahead, tell us how the UK plan to lift lockdown is different and worse than Germany. I will warn you in advance I know a LOT about their plan. I also know the UK plan having read the 50+ page document in full.
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Post by xanady on May 12, 2020 17:17:12 GMT
^Was discussing this resumption of filming soaps etc with a friend who used to work for Granada on Corrie.One solution would be to have a single character in a room doing a monologue to camera interspersed with flashbacks from that characters’ life from previous episodes.The only problem would be that it could get very tedious if every episode was delivered within the same concept.
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Post by basdfg on May 12, 2020 18:21:28 GMT
^Was discussing this resumption of filming soaps etc with a friend who used to work for Granada on Corrie.One solution would be to have a single character in a room doing a monologue to camera interspersed with flashbacks from that characters’ life from previous episodes.The only problem would be that it could get very tedious if every episode was delivered within the same concept. I think that work for a week or if it was once a week filling one of the slots but it wouldn't rate that well.
The plans are Corrie will mention it when they back but not conduct storylines about it. Eastenders likely the same.
Emmerdale runs out of episodes at the end of the month so will surely be falling off the air.
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Post by talkingheads on May 12, 2020 18:30:25 GMT
^Was discussing this resumption of filming soaps etc with a friend who used to work for Granada on Corrie.One solution would be to have a single character in a room doing a monologue to camera interspersed with flashbacks from that characters’ life from previous episodes.The only problem would be that it could get very tedious if every episode was delivered within the same concept. I think that work for a week or if it was once a week filling one of the slots but it wouldn't rate that well.
The plans are Corrie will mention it when they back but not conduct storylines about it. Eastenders likely the same.
Emmerdale runs out of episodes at the end of the month so will surely be falling off the air.
I read of one plan to isolate all cast and crew together to resume filming. How practical that is though remains to be seen!
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Post by intoanewlife on May 12, 2020 18:35:01 GMT
They can make dinosaurs look real, I'm pretty sure they can get around social distancing x
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Post by horton on May 12, 2020 18:49:38 GMT
Yet again, even with weeks to formulate the "road map", the government (which, incidentally, envelopes itself in political spin to avoid criticism- so let's not talk about "playing politics in a national emergency"), has come up with a vague approach, pushing responsibility for the nation's well-being back on the individual. Compare this with the strategies in New Zealand, Germany and South Korea, for example. OK. Go ahead, tell us how the UK plan to lift lockdown is different and worse than Germany. I will warn you in advance I know a LOT about their plan. I also know the UK plan having read the 50+ page document in full. I note your decision to disregard all but one sentence of my post. As a result I shall disregard your kind warning and request for a summary of the document, which I have also read. Based on its performance to date, I shall continue to doubt this government's judgement, ability to implement the plan and to effectively communicate with the public. A further 627 deaths recorded today- contrary to the Evening Standard's claim, that does not indicate that "virus deaths continue to fall" and calls into question the reason for the change of strategy at this particular time. Germany's death toll stands at 7661 in total. The Office for National Statistics records the UK total of deaths attributed to the virus as 38,355 in the same period, with a further 1678 patients having died in hospital while Covid-positive. How's that for a comparison?
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Post by basdfg on May 12, 2020 19:14:42 GMT
I think that work for a week or if it was once a week filling one of the slots but it wouldn't rate that well.
The plans are Corrie will mention it when they back but not conduct storylines about it. Eastenders likely the same.
Emmerdale runs out of episodes at the end of the month so will surely be falling off the air.
I read of one plan to isolate all cast and crew together to resume filming. How practical that is though remains to be seen! I cant see that.
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Post by Someone in a tree on May 12, 2020 19:17:18 GMT
Is the nation desperate for overwrought storylines in leopard print miniskirts that it expects Beverley Callard et al not see her friends and family?
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Post by horton on May 12, 2020 21:24:46 GMT
Oh and yet another day when the planned 100,000 test target was missed. So much for plans.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 22:53:56 GMT
There’s tricks you can do with a camera to make it look like people are closer than they are, so I don’t think it’ll be a huge deal for continuing dramas like soaps etc. Regarding soaps, I don’t know why they don’t just script and shoot some episodes over Skype or Zoom etc - build some great stand alone episodes rather worrying about continuing storylines. Character bedrooms are rarely seen so you could just get actors to act from home etc. I can just imagine On Corrie, Sally and Gail having a quick trip down memory lane, forgetting a detail or something and bringing Kevin in to ask him etc. Or Gemma and Paul FaceTiming, Dev catching you with Mary etc... easy fine. Or if they wanted they could do on-set solo episode: Ken talking to a photo album, Gemma pushing the quads around telling them all about her childhood, Peter on the phone to his sponsor struggling with lockdown boredom making him want a drink etc. Plenty of scope... if the writers are talented enough.
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Post by Jan on May 13, 2020 6:11:05 GMT
OK. Go ahead, tell us how the UK plan to lift lockdown is different and worse than Germany. I will warn you in advance I know a LOT about their plan. I also know the UK plan having read the 50+ page document in full. I note your decision to disregard all but one sentence of my post. As a result I shall disregard your kind warning and request for a summary of the document, which I have also read. Based on its performance to date, I shall continue to doubt this government's judgement, ability to implement the plan and to effectively communicate with the public. A further 627 deaths recorded today- contrary to the Evening Standard's claim, that does not indicate that "virus deaths continue to fall" and calls into question the reason for the change of strategy at this particular time. Germany's death toll stands at 7661 in total. The Office for National Statistics records the UK total of deaths attributed to the virus as 38,355 in the same period, with a further 1678 patients having died in hospital while Covid-positive. How's that for a comparison? I'll take that as a "don't know" then. I can reassure you that the German plan to lift the lockdown is virtually identical to the UK plan except perhaps they are proceeding a little less cautiously in the phasing of the various measures.
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Post by Jan on May 13, 2020 6:25:44 GMT
Oh and yet another day when the planned 100,000 test target was missed. So much for plans. England is doing more daily tests than Germany now though. Interestingly the debate over there is why they are doing so much worse than Poland whose death rate per million of the population is a quarter of Germany's. Their general conclusion there is that it is far too early to say who is doing "better".
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Post by basdfg on May 13, 2020 11:58:19 GMT
My friend in Seoul teaching English has been ordered by his boss to sign a paper saying he won't remove his face mask in public or go to any bars, restaurants, cafes, gyms, or anywhere that would require him to remove his face mask. Also banned from going to the tourist filled areas or meet up with anyone from America or Europe. Can't see these restrictions coming here.
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Post by Dr Tom on May 13, 2020 12:36:52 GMT
My friend in Seoul teaching English has been ordered by his boss to sign a paper saying he won't remove his face mask in public or go to any bars, restaurants, cafes, gyms, or anywhere that would require him to remove his face mask. Also banned from going to the tourist filled areas or meet up with anyone from America or Europe. Can't see these restrictions coming here. Thankfully in the UK employees have strong protection and employers have little control over what we get up to in our personal lives.
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Post by talkingheads on May 13, 2020 13:18:50 GMT
My friend in Seoul teaching English has been ordered by his boss to sign a paper saying he won't remove his face mask in public or go to any bars, restaurants, cafes, gyms, or anywhere that would require him to remove his face mask. Also banned from going to the tourist filled areas or meet up with anyone from America or Europe. Can't see these restrictions coming here. For one thing there would be no way of monitoring without breaching privacy laws I would imagine.
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Post by basdfg on May 13, 2020 16:26:10 GMT
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Post by The Matthew on May 13, 2020 17:18:27 GMT
Being realistic about it, it's stupid to start trying to put dates on anything because it depends how the reproduction rate varies in the future and that's critically dependent on how people behave.
As for road restrictions in London, I'm surprised it's taken this long. The London boroughs love introducing new traffic restrictions — and especially restrictions that change during the day — because they make a significant amount of their income from penalties and catching drivers out is part of their financial planning.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 13, 2020 21:00:24 GMT
I note your decision to disregard all but one sentence of my post. As a result I shall disregard your kind warning and request for a summary of the document, which I have also read. Based on its performance to date, I shall continue to doubt this government's judgement, ability to implement the plan and to effectively communicate with the public. A further 627 deaths recorded today- contrary to the Evening Standard's claim, that does not indicate that "virus deaths continue to fall" and calls into question the reason for the change of strategy at this particular time. Germany's death toll stands at 7661 in total. The Office for National Statistics records the UK total of deaths attributed to the virus as 38,355 in the same period, with a further 1678 patients having died in hospital while Covid-positive. How's that for a comparison? I'll take that as a "don't know" then. I can reassure you that the German plan to lift the lockdown is virtually identical to the UK plan except perhaps they are proceeding a little less cautiously in the phasing of the various measures. I read the Independent SAGE report. Good that
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Post by basdfg on May 14, 2020 16:13:15 GMT
I cant see how any form of entertainment venue can even think about re opening when people are being told it's their civic duty to avoid public transport. Few people are going to walk or cycle to any form of activity (shopping etc) within central london unless you live fairly close.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 18:15:42 GMT
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