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Post by crabtree on Dec 17, 2019 9:25:07 GMT
Very much enjoyed the new Little Women. Gorgeously designed, and Meryl making the most of her few scenes. Fascinatingly structured, which could be a little confusing if you don't keep up, and actually quite meta. All the famous scenes are there, and it's certainly a pacy film, with the camera racing about as much as the girls, but it certainly delivers.
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Post by jek on Dec 17, 2019 11:22:32 GMT
I enjoyed it too and as someone who is obsessed with textiles (35 years on from getting a degree in textile technology) it really hit the spot. The craftmanship is a joy to behold. And the bookbinding! My 18 year old daughter is probably target audience for this (each generation deserves its reinvention of the story, which is probably why this is the eighth film version) and she loved it. But then anything which involves Greta Gerwig and Timothee Chalamet gets her vote!
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Post by crabtree on Dec 17, 2019 18:32:38 GMT
ah yes the book binding and the whole book theme was beautiful.
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Post by AddisonMizner on Jan 4, 2020 16:14:10 GMT
I am just back from seeing LITTLE WOMEN this morning. I have to admit that I have never read the novel on which this is based (although that may change now), and therefore I did not know the intricacies of the plot going in, so these are just my thoughts having seen it “cold”. It is GLORIOUS! A film with such beauty and heart. I enjoyed LADY BIRD, but Greta Gerwig’s work on LITTLE WOMEN has gone up another level.
The writing and direction is magnificent. The structure is non-linear, juxtaposing between the characters as adults and then as children, but it is never confusing, and actually added another layer of emotion to the film for me, as Gerwig has clearly chosen scenes carefully from both the adult lives of the characters and their lives as children to compliment one another. She encapsulates the relationship between Jo and Amy for example, first in a few lines from Jo as an adult, and then a scene from childhood where Jo and Amy have an argument over not being allowed to go to the theatre, and Amy burns Jo’s manuscript. We then see the fallout and subsequent making up from this. There is also a heartbreaking sequence that does the same thing with one of the other sisters, and the scenes are essentially mirror images of each other, but the outcome is different as an adult (I do not want to spoil it for people who haven’t seen the film). I was in bits for most of the film it has to be said, particularly the second half, where I don’t think there was a moment where my eyes weren’t moist with tears. That isn’t to say it isn’t also funny, as it is. There were many moments where I laughed out loud. Just when it got on the verge of being sentimental or schmaltzy, Gerwig would use some line or quip that would stop that from happening and make the audience laugh. It does indeed turn very meta at the end also. I couldn’t work out if that was truly how her story ended, or whether it was the story that Jo made up for her book.
The direction, as another reviewer said above, is extremely pacy and the 2 hours 15 minutes flies by. Particularly when all four girls are together, the dialogue is delivered with attack, with them practically talking over one another, which I loved. However, Gerwig also allows for moments of stillness and silence, and on such moments utilises close-up brilliantly, which allows for the emotional moments to land perfectly.
It helps that Gerwig has assembled such a strong group of actors in this film, and it is so well acted. There isn’t a film I have seen her in where I haven’t loved Saoirse Ronan. She is the anchor for the film. Jo March is the character who’s eyes we see most of the film from, and she is stunning. Coming in a very close second, and nearly stealing it for me is Florence Pugh. We really see the progression of her character from child to adult, from girl to woman. She has that amazing child-like quality in the early scenes, and whilst she develops and matures, you can still see that childlike and playful streak in her as an adult. It really was a joy to watch her. It is very clear from watching this, that all the four actresses playing the girls had an amazing chemistry whilst filming. It practically oozes from the screen. Timothee Chalamet, Laura Dern and the other actors also give sterling support.
The film looks gorgeous, and whilst it is clearly a period piece, it feels so unbelievably modern, not just on the themes it is tackling (the independence of women etc), but also in how the characters behave. The dance sequence with Laurie and Jo dancing on the porch early in the film could have been two teenagers now.
I would thoroughly recommend this film to anyone. I know where I barely into 2020, but this may well be my best film of the year. It will take some beating that is for sure. It may even become one of my favourite ever films. A story about the importance of family, helping others (as their mother teaches them) and the need in life for love. What else do we need right now? GO!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 4, 2020 17:19:41 GMT
You liked it then... 🙂
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Post by showgirl on Jan 4, 2020 18:02:51 GMT
I saw it a week ago and liked it far more than I'd feared, based on the trailer, but I felt there was still a lot wrong with it. My chief objection was that the main female characters seemed far too forward, liberated and lacking in modesty for the time, even though one of the themes was their frustration with the limited options for women then and their wish to excape this straitjacket. The words placed in their mouths seemed too knowing and portentous. The actresses playing Jo and Amy also appeared to me to be far too old compared to their characters and as for weedy Timothee Chalamet, he looked like a teenager and no serious contender for Jo's hand. Likewise Professor Baer, who is meant to be older, German and, I believe, a little overweight and not particularly photogenic, was portrayed by an actor too young, slim and insubstantial and with an accent which sounded more French than German to me.
Despite the above I really did enjoy this version but if you're going to throw so much money at it, why not spend some of that on greater historical accuracy and respect for the text?
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Jan 4, 2020 18:11:06 GMT
I saw it a week ago and liked it far more than I'd feared, based on the trailer, but I felt there was still a lot wrong with it. My chief objection was that the main female characters seemed far too forward, liberated and lacking in modesty for the time, even though one of the themes was their frustration with the limited options for women then and their wish to excape this straitjacket. The words placed in their mouths seemed too knowing and portentous. The actresses playing Jo and Amy also appeared to me to be far too old compared to their characters and as for weedy Timothee Chalamet, he looked like a teenager and no serious contender for Jo's hand. Likewise Professor Baer, who is meant to be older, German and, I believe, a little overweight and not particularly photogenic, was portrayed by an actor too young, slim and insubstantial and with an accent which sounded more French than German to me. Despite the above I really did enjoy this version but if you're going to throw so much money at it, why not spend some of that on greater historical accuracy and respect for the text? Because it's an adaptation for a modern age and as Greta Gerwig feels Louisa May Alcott would have written it at the time if she could have gotten away with it. Baer was written by Alcott to be a strange and unsatisfying and in her own words 'funny' match for Jo because she was essentially forced by her publisher to have Jo marry someone so in this film Baer is an attractive, young scholar who is on the same intellectual lev as Jo and she still doesn't choose to marry him (depending on whether you interpret what we see at the train station to be her real life or what occurs in her book). Historical accuracy wasn't the aim of this adaptation because what would be the point of perfectly copying a boom which has been adapted countless times already in multiple different mediums? The aim was to draw something out of the book that hadn't been the focus of other adaptations which would resonate with a modern audience and I don't think any of the dialogue or decisions of characters were out of character for their portrayals in the book it's just that the subtext that was always there was brought to the forefront in this movie.
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Post by showgirl on Jan 4, 2020 18:27:31 GMT
I think there would have been value in a new version which was truer to the book since, as we've seen from the first post above, amongst the audience for this film are those who haven't read the book. Clearly that's not the film Greta Gerwig wanted to make but there's a difference between drawing out from the novel an aspect which previous adaptations have overlooked or downplayed, and writing the book you think Louisa May Alcott should or could have written. Also, whilst the author may have been obliged by her publisher to show Jo marrying someone, in the book it seems a plausible match as Jo is seen coming to realise that Professor Baer offers wisdom, maturity, steadfastness and a kind heart - qualities which form a far better basis for an enduring and equal relationship than those of a younger, more worldly suitor.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 1:33:04 GMT
Chalamet and Pugh are 24 and Ronan is 25 (and were all a year younger when the film was made). I'm not quite sure how it should have been cast if one of them supposedly looks too young and the other two too old. I admit that Pugh is indeed too old to play the younger version of Amy in the flashbacks - who is around 13 - although she gives it a great attempt, but other than that Pugh is appropriate to play a 20-year-old, and Chalamet and Ronan are appropriate to play the ages 15-22. With a story that spans seven years like this, you're never going to be able to cast perfectly for the ages unless you double cast all of the characters which would not only make the film more expensive, but ultimately, I believe, less effective. Not all teenagers look the same, nor do all people in their 20s and I don't think we need to pretend that they do in film either. I don't think it would look odd if Chalamet and Ronan dated in real life, so I don't see it as offputting in the film, nor was it in when they played love interests in Lady Bird.
I also find it interesting that people are so eager to disagree with Bhaer becoming younger and more attractive, yet the world has had no issue with beautiful women like Katharine Hepburn, Winona Ryder and Saoirse Ronan playing Jo, who is described as 'homely'. Homely Jo from the book may have been more likely to go for a significantly older, overweight man, but it's far less believable with such gorgeous women playing the part. I'd also note that it isn't the first time Bhaer has been portrayed in such a way. Rossano Brazzi in 1949 was especially hunky and even younger than Louis Garrel at the time. Of the major film adaptations, only the 1994 version went for a man in his 40s instead of his 30s and none have been overweight. It's a way of making the pairing more palatable to audiences, who, since the book's release, have been left disappointed that she doesn't end up with Laurie.
I don't think that there would have been much point in Gerwig adapting another totally faithful version of the story. There have been so many adaptations that in order for there to be a point to a 2019 version, there needed to be some changes in the way it was being told. Here, the most obvious of them are the structure and the ending, both of which paid off beautifully in my opinion. The ending is also open to interpretation, as confirmed by the screenplay which is available to read online. Believing that they don't marry is a totally legitimate interpretation, and personally the one that I felt made the most sense while watching it. However, believing that they marry also makes sense with the way that Gerwig has written the film. The film never tells us that Bhaer and Jo wouldn't be a great match, just perhaps that even with a great match, Jo would still rather not marry, something that she reiterates throughout the story. Gerwig hasn't changed anything definitively, just given the audience a new way of looking at a story so well known and often told.
Overall, I loved pretty much every aspect of the film. Perfectly cast with beautiful technical elements and a largely faithful, yet still refreshing and new way of telling the story. Gerwig is such an exciting filmmaker and it's legitimately thrilling to see a female director deliver a one-two punch of critically and commercially successful Oscar contenders like this. Long may she continue.
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Post by showgirl on Jan 5, 2020 15:36:24 GMT
What I liked about the Jo - Bhaer (sorry about my earlier mis-spelling) relationship in the novel was how the author cleverly used it both to adhere to her publisher's exhortation to marry Jo off, but also to subvert the traditional romantic convention: Jo marries, but not the conventional young, good-looking romantic hero; instead she sees beneath the surface and that she and Bhaer are a far better, more equal match.
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Post by talkingheads on Jan 12, 2020 13:22:29 GMT
I saw this yesterday and I liked it. Ronan and Pugh particularly are brilliant and the chemistry and camaraderie between the girls was wonderful to watch.
But I have never read the novel. And as such I hated the structure, primarily because I had no bloody clue what happened where. Gerwig assumes everybody is familiar with who ends up with who and I wss very confused around the Beth bits, and having to concentrate so hard on keeping up spoiled it somewhat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 6:57:14 GMT
I don't think that Gerwig assumes that people know the story. In the flashbacks, Amy has a fringe, Jo wears her hair long and down (or at least in the vast majority of them) and the cinematographer has used warm red and orange filters in contrast to the blue ones for present day. There's two timelines but those two timelines are told chronologically alongside each other. We're also told in the first scene with Laurie and Amy that Jo has turned down his proposal. So a bit of concentration is needed, but it's not exactly a Christopher Nolan film.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 13:50:57 GMT
Saoirse Ronan and Florence Pugh have just been nominated for Oscars! Great Gerwig gets an Adapted Screenplay nomination but not for directing.
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Post by Jonnyboy on Jan 13, 2020 20:08:08 GMT
Florence Pugh should be up for a best actress award for Midsommar too.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jan 13, 2020 21:45:46 GMT
Florence Pugh should be up for a best actress award for Midsommar too. Agreed. I haven't seen this yet, but she definitely deserved a nod for that. I think Lupita Nyong'o should've been nominated for Us as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 13:22:54 GMT
Saw this the other week and glad it didn’t get a best director nod - took me 45 mins to realise it was jumping round the timeline! Sent the rest of the film desperately concentrating to make sure I knew what was going on when. Actresses that got nommed where good thou
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Post by longinthetooth on Jan 21, 2020 22:12:06 GMT
I finally caught up with this and loved it. I have read the book and think I have seen most versions and TV adaptations (I am ancient!), so the constant switching of timelines didn't phase me as I knew the story inside out. However, I can see that people could struggle (see my post on the Bad Behaviour thread, although it would have helped the ladies in question if they had shut up and paid attention!).
I wasn't 100% convinced on all the casting, but having read/seen so many versions, I do have preconceived ideas of what every character should look like! Thought Saiorse Ronan was a perfect Jo, but sadly Timothee Chalamet wasn't my Laurie.
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Post by xanady on Jan 29, 2020 18:20:26 GMT
Just seen it and loved it.Agree that those who know the story will cope with the timeline switches. A shout out to the costume department and loved the photography.A gorgeous film in every way.
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