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Post by loureviews on Jan 9, 2017 16:03:11 GMT
I completely missed the flying cup from up in the circle at the Saturday matinee.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 18:48:58 GMT
I was at the matinee, though? Were you? Impressive if he manages to wang it that far every performance... yes, I was at the matinee. agree it was impressive!
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Post by mallardo on Jan 10, 2017 11:25:41 GMT
I thought this was a brilliant production - clear, illuminating, totally in harmony with the spirit of the piece, resolving virtually all of its problematic elements. And Ruth Wilson is stunning.
A few points:
This was the most sympathetic portrayal of Hedda I have seen, in part because of Wilson whose realization of Hedda's own desperate self-loathing is so deeply felt throughout. But also because of the staging and design.
The production begins a half hour before the curtain goes up (figuratively) with Hedda onstage noodling at the piano, slumped in her dressing gown, a woman already in torment. A woman, just back from her honeymoon, who has surrendered to her fate, who does not even bother now to get dressed. The big entrance she usually gets with her sneering and her "what a dump" attitude, followed by her gratuitously cruel remark about Aunt Juliana's hat, has been undercut here by van Hove's mise-en-scene so that we already know that her nastiness and her lashing out come from a place of pain and hopelessness. And we can empathize.
This is reinforced by the big empty white room which is the Tesman apartment, a prison from which the only way out is to exit out of the play itself, into the audience. Berte, the maid, seated onstage, watching everything, is her warder - and, later, accomplice. The other characters have lives outside, Hedda does not. She is trapped, and permanently so.
Hedda is the archetypal 19th century woman, which is to say, she has no power. Power comes through men and she thought she had chosen, in Tesman, a man through whom she could achieve it. Tesman, of course, is usually played as something of a fool, an older man, a no hoper, which always reflects badly on Hedda's judgment. But that is not the case here. Kyle Soller is a young, handsome, virile man, a plausible match for her. That he falls short of her expectations amplifies her tragedy. We can understand her crushing disappointment.
The other character who seems transformed for the better is Judge Brack. As played by the excellent Rafe Spall he is not so much the arrogant town plutocrat whose good manners and sleek style are a cover for the bullying sociopath he eventually reveals himself to be. Instead he is a looming evil presence throughout, a veritable Mephistopheles. If this cuts down on his character arc it underlines Hedda's predicament. The ending of the play is foreshadowed from the beginning. Given these people and her situation, there is no other way things could have gone for her.
And, by the way, the ending, especially Brack's final line, which has been known to get laughs in other productions, works spectacularly well here. It's a breathtaking moment and the perfect climax to the drama.
Bravo to all concerned.
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Post by loureviews on Jan 11, 2017 18:10:15 GMT
True about the ending. Deeply moving and not for laughs at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 16:20:46 GMT
Spooky.
Is there also a flying saucer?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 10:34:24 GMT
You see, it's always interesting to see other people's views of the same production that you've seen. I didn't get what was particularly moving about the end myself. I found Hedda just so deeply unlikeable in this production that the end result couldn't have come quick enough for me. I do agree Ruth Wilson was terrific though, especially as she made no attempt whatsoever to try to elicit any sympathy from anyone (the other characters or the audience). It did give the production quite a clinical feel though.
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Post by nash16 on Jan 14, 2017 15:52:27 GMT
You see, it's always interesting to see other people's views of the same production that you've seen. I didn't get what was particularly moving about the end myself. I found Hedda just so deeply unlikeable in this production that the end result couldn't have come quick enough for me. I do agree Ruth Wilson was terrific though, especially as she made no attempt whatsoever to try to elicit any sympathy from anyone (the other characters or the audience). It did give the production quite a clinical feel though. We felt the same way. And the ending was very much laughable to us. They made no effort to make those, let's face it, slightly ridiculous sounding final lines, make more sense or be in any way moving. All stilted and placed bodies. From the moment Rafe Spall's Brack started going psycho (tomato sauce time onwards), it lost us. Ruth Wilson was cold, yet impossible not to watch. Ivo van Hove seems to specialise in clinical productions. The heating never seems to be on in his shows…if that makes sense?
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Post by olly2288 on Jan 16, 2017 0:02:24 GMT
I know this is pretty sold out but does anyone have any experience of the NT's rush ticket system or day seating with this one?
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Post by Jan on Jan 16, 2017 7:01:39 GMT
I know this is pretty sold out but does anyone have any experience of the NT's rush ticket system or day seating with this one? I saw this one recently on Friday Rush. It is a quirky system and it takes a couple of weeks to work out how to navigate it optimally. The seats they offer for this production are terrible though, far back corners of the circle (this is not the case for all productions) and a small part of the stage is not visible. My estimate is that they make about 15-20 seats available in this way. On the play, as has been noted the interpretation of Hedda and (especially) Judge Brack are very different to how they are usually done and so interesting. I saw this play and Mary Stuart back to back - strikingly similar direction.
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Post by olly2288 on Jan 16, 2017 22:48:44 GMT
I know this is pretty sold out but does anyone have any experience of the NT's rush ticket system or day seating with this one? I saw this one recently on Friday Rush. It is a quirky system and it takes a couple of weeks to work out how to navigate it optimally. The seats they offer for this production are terrible though, far back corners of the circle (this is not the case for all productions) and a small part of the stage is not visible. My estimate is that they make about 15-20 seats available in this way. On the play, as has been noted the interpretation of Hedda and (especially) Judge Brack are very different to how they are usually done and so interesting. I saw this play and Mary Stuart back to back - strikingly similar direction. Thanks so much for your advice on that, much appreciated!
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Post by drmaplewood on Jan 17, 2017 14:46:21 GMT
I know this is pretty sold out but does anyone have any experience of the NT's rush ticket system or day seating with this one? Friday Rush'd a few weeks back, as mentioned they are at the back of the circle but view etc is fine wherever you sit. I went to get dayseats for Love last weekend and most people were still able to get Hedder tickets on a 2 show day if they turned up around 9am. I couldn't get past the interval of this though, so I would advise not wasting your time but that's another matter!
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Post by nash16 on Jan 17, 2017 18:39:34 GMT
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Post by andrew on Jan 22, 2017 0:33:40 GMT
Ruth Wilson made a speech tonight at the curtain call, referencing the march today in support of women's rights. She highlighted that Ibsen was writing about these issues over a century ago and that their performance represented them marching in solidarity with those who protested in the streets. She walked off in tears by the looks of it.
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Post by popcultureboy on Jan 22, 2017 1:04:03 GMT
For me, it's pretty clear that all the poor choices can be laid at the feet of Ivo van Hove. Having seen the main trio give superior performances elsewhere to the work they're doing here, I lay 100% of the blame on the director. Nobody is in the same play as anybody else, and not a single person on that stage seemed confident of the choices van Hove was asking them to make. Hedda was my 4th time seeing a production directed by Ivo van Hove. There will not be a 5th. He is the emperor's new clothes in the extreme.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 9:32:51 GMT
Ruth Wilson made a speech tonight at the curtain call, referencing the march today in support of women's rights. She highlighted that Ibsen was writing about these issues over a century ago and that their performance represented them marching in solidarity with those who protested in the streets. She walked off in tears by the looks of it. Self entitled wealthy actors Making political speeches NOT a good thing Embarrassing and inappropriate What a shame she didn't channel such emotion into the performance people have paid to see
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Post by vdcni on Jan 22, 2017 10:26:07 GMT
Ruth Wilson made a speech tonight at the curtain call, referencing the march today in support of women's rights. She highlighted that Ibsen was writing about these issues over a century ago and that their performance represented them marching in solidarity with those who protested in the streets. She walked off in tears by the looks of it. Self entitled wealthy actors Making political speeches NOT a good thing Embarrassing and inappropriate What a shame she didn't channel such emotion into the performance people have paid to see That's just as much of a Daily Mail comment as the one about doctors pensions you rightly criticised in the NHS thread.
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Post by Jan on Jan 22, 2017 10:38:35 GMT
Ruth Wilson made a speech tonight at the curtain call, referencing the march today in support of women's rights. She highlighted that Ibsen was writing about these issues over a century ago and that their performance represented them marching in solidarity with those who protested in the streets. She walked off in tears by the looks of it. Self entitled wealthy actors Making political speeches NOT a good thing Embarrassing and inappropriate What a shame she didn't channel such emotion into the performance people have paid to see Agree. She's paid to perform and she shouldn't abuse her position to hector a captive audience (99.99% of whom agree with her anyway). It's like travelling on Southern Rail and having the driver come on the intercom and denounce the government's transport policy. Just incidentally it seems her commitment to women's rights didn't extend as far as questioning the director's motivation for his handling of this play which could easily be argued to be misogynistic.
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Post by mallardo on Jan 22, 2017 10:49:26 GMT
I would argue that, in fact, the director has made the play far less misogynistic - Hedda is clearly the victim of a male-dominated world in this production.
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Post by Jan on Jan 22, 2017 10:58:39 GMT
I would argue that, in fact, the director has made the play far less misogynistic - Hedda is clearly the victim of a male-dominated world in this production. However, as newspaper reviews and others here have commented, the production is unique in making her totally unsympathetic right from the start.
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Post by mallardo on Jan 22, 2017 11:26:39 GMT
When is Hedda ever sympathetic at the beginning of the play? In this production the director has provided a context for her behaviour which, in fact, changes our view of her. As I've said elsewhere here, this is the MOST sympathetic Hedda I've seen.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 11:31:39 GMT
Self entitled wealthy actors Making political speeches NOT a good thing Embarrassing and inappropriate What a shame she didn't channel such emotion into the performance people have paid to see That's just as much of a Daily Mail comment as the one about doctors pensions you rightly criticised in the NHS thread. Ruth Wilson Has no political standing She can keep her mouth shut whilst she is being paid to try and act She should concentrate on the job in hand Or if she is so concerned She can go into politics And let's see how far she gets It is easy to proclaim forth on a stage in a controlled environment when your ego gets the better of you And it's totally self indulgent As I bet she got a round of applause and people went "bravo" and "hear hear" The people marching should pop over to Iraq Syria or one of the many other countries f***ed up by our own ex prime ministers They can see the Human rights which are violated on a daily basis regardless of gender Donald Trump is such an easy media target Yet his robust nature and constitution Means he just won't care
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 13:25:41 GMT
And it's totally self indulgent As Andrew said, she was speaking on behalf of the women of the company, not solely of herself.
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Post by doritxuuu on Jan 22, 2017 16:10:05 GMT
Wow, I am quite surprised to hear the negativity about the speech. She clearly spoke on behalf of the company but meant what she said or had to say - I was sitting in the front row of the stalls and she had tears in her eyes when they walked off stage. Nobody was forced to applaud after it but everyone did.
Otherwise the production and her performance is fantastic, especially in Act 2 - I was with a group of friends and we will be back day seating again.
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Post by Jan on Jan 22, 2017 16:31:21 GMT
Wow, I am quite surprised to hear the negativity about the speech. She clearly spoke on behalf of the company but meant what she said or had to say - I was sitting in the front row of the stalls and she had tears in her eyes when they walked off stage. Nobody was forced to applaud after it but everyone did. Otherwise the production and her performance is fantastic, especially in Act 2 - I was with a group of friends and we will be back day seating again. You're only saying that because you agree with her. If someone had stepped forward and congratulated Trump you'd have been outraged. Also, what is the point of her moaning to a UK audience ? We didn't vote for him.
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Post by Jan on Jan 22, 2017 16:33:02 GMT
When is Hedda ever sympathetic at the beginning of the play? In this production the director has provided a context for her behaviour which, in fact, changes our view of her. As I've said elsewhere here, this is the MOST sympathetic Hedda I've seen. Seen it 5 times. This was the most unsympathetic by far. For example the last time it was at the NT Juliet Stephenson was far more nuanced.
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