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Post by bingomatic on Oct 20, 2019 8:05:49 GMT
Saw this on Saturday and quite enjoyed it (probably because I was expecting the worst after reading comments on the board!). No problems with the acting or the set and it was fairly easy to follow, which might mean I missed a few of the subtleties. Once you get into the spirit of treating it as a black comedy it reminded me a little of a possible sub-plot in Eastenders.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 10:58:07 GMT
I think The Almeida is going through a bad period; really for the past 2 years I've only enjoyed about 50% of their output. Agree, though their programming for 2020 looks extremely exciting. For me, they’ve been the most consistent. I haven’t booked for Vassa as it didn’t appeal, as with a few others, but I was very positive on Summer & Smoke, Albion, The Writer, Dance Nation, Lies, Richard II, Three Sisters and The Doctor. I was less enthused by The Twilight Zone and Machinal but that’s an 80% success rate, for me, and that’s better than any other theatre, I think.
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Post by zahidf on Oct 20, 2019 11:25:14 GMT
I have it as a 75% success rate myself. With the 10 pound pillar seats, I'm more than fine to always get a ticket and give them the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by foxa on Oct 22, 2019 12:56:21 GMT
Reviews seem to be 2* to (how???) 4* for this.
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Post by zahidf on Oct 22, 2019 20:22:18 GMT
Really disliked this. Comedy wasn't funny and it felt incredibly mean spirited.
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Post by bordeaux on Oct 24, 2019 9:34:13 GMT
An email from the Almeida on Tuesday promises a 'new announcement' (tautology?) with 'exciting news'. Hope it's about a play or two rather than building more loos.
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Post by Jan on Oct 24, 2019 9:43:49 GMT
Haven't seen this yet, but here's what the director says about it.
"Is Vassa a political play, then? For Craig, it is more about family and how politics can muddy the waters. “One thing Mike and I talked about a lot is that families are mostly based on a kind of socialist structure when they work. Which is to say that everyone is considered to be equal; if people are worse off for whatever reason we help them out; there’s a leader but the leader is there to make sure everyone is elevated; we share. In a nice, good family all those things are in place, right? We don’t have favourites, there’s equity, there’s equality, and we like that in families.” In Vassa, however, the central family “have drifted into a capitalist structure, essentially. So there are winners and there are losers, and gains and losses, and they are like ‘Are you useful to me or not?’ Which is a question in the capitalist world, [and] how capitalism f***s over loads of people. So you’re looking at a family who have rejected the socialist structure. What does that do? And can you sustain it? The answer, I think, is no.”"
I wonder how many families she researched to come to that conclusion.
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Post by Steve on Oct 24, 2019 12:47:34 GMT
Caught the matinee yesterday, and was underwhelmed. A comedy this dark needs infinitely more oomph, and just as important, tonal consistency.
Some spoilers follow. . .
It's clear the director knows this is a comedy, that this isn't a naturalistic drama, because she puts up tongue-in-cheek surtitles at the beginning, declaring the end of capitalism, and swishes back the curtains with a silent movie melodramatic flourish. . .
But from that point on, everybody on stage hits a different tone: Daniella Isaacs is comically serious, Michael Gould is seriously comic, Cyril Nri is comically comic, Alexandra Dowling is seriously serious, Siobhan Redmond is dispassionately amoral, and Amber James is amorally dispassionate.
Of all the tones, Amber James' amoral dispassionate commentary on the blackly comic cruelty and greed all around her hold the most promise, setting up her character as a kind of Edmund Blackadder, spelling out and mocking the foibles of the fools all around her. But nothing is sustained, no tone stays constant, laughs are squandered.
What you need, I think, was a zanier director, someone like Hideki Noda, who specialises in directing post-modern shows where he and Kathryn Hunter ignore and scream at each other, as if in a dystopian CeeBeebies, over pop music din. I can imagine Noda blasting out the Benny Hill theme tune as the "capitalist greed" gets increasingly farcical, and all the actors would hype up their performances into anti-naturalistic overdrive. It wouldn't be likeable, but you'd never forget it.
Unlike this, which fades in your memory the moment you step out of the theatre.
Danny Kirrane never puts a foot wrong here, as he veers from aggression to playfulness, and eventually regresses to repeating words like they are comfort blankets.
But it's telling that Kirane's performance in "Jerusalem," in which he ruthlessly sponged from Mark Rylance's Rooster Byron every materialistic benefit he could get out of him, was a far more effective and memorable take-down of our materialist society than anything that Leninist Gorky, and his acolyte Mike Bartlett, manage here.
2 and a half stars for being a real curio, destined never to be seen again! :0
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Post by Jan on Oct 24, 2019 15:26:41 GMT
Not sure we’ll never see it again. Tanya Ronder has been commissioned by the NT to develop a modern version of it (so, with 1980s music and cocaine I suppose).
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Post by lynette on Oct 24, 2019 18:07:01 GMT
Haven't seen this yet, but here's what the director says about it. "Is Vassa a political play, then? For Craig, it is more about family and how politics can muddy the waters. “One thing Mike and I talked about a lot is that families are mostly based on a kind of socialist structure when they work. Which is to say that everyone is considered to be equal; if people are worse off for whatever reason we help them out; there’s a leader but the leader is there to make sure everyone is elevated; we share. In a nice, good family all those things are in place, right? We don’t have favourites, there’s equity, there’s equality, and we like that in families.” In Vassa, however, the central family “have drifted into a capitalist structure, essentially. So there are winners and there are losers, and gains and losses, and they are like ‘Are you useful to me or not?’ Which is a question in the capitalist world, [and] how capitalism f***s over loads of people. So you’re looking at a family who have rejected the socialist structure. What does that do? And can you sustain it? The answer, I think, is no.”" I wonder how many families she researched to come to that conclusion. Sweet really.
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Post by katurian on Oct 25, 2019 22:10:27 GMT
Saw this tonight and thought it was pretty bad.
Never seen a Gorky play before but I've enjoyed Mike Bartlett plays. Not this one. I found the play itself, as a story and as an adaptation, not worth updating, and the adapted script, especially the "un-PC" jokes which all landed leadenly, was a poor effort which didn't match what I'd expect from the Almeida or Bartlett. It either needed to go much, much darker in its comedy, and more consistently, or have more human pathos in it. As it is there are a few limp un-PC moments and bitchy remarks, but because I don't care about anything happening none of this stings or means much.
I don't need theatre to make grand political statements. More than anything I want to be entertained! I'm happy to watch plays about horrible characters being horrible, but I still want to be entertained, have funny jokes that land, and I still want to feel a human connection to the characters even if they are all flaws. I want some semblance of relatable humanity, even if it's the worst of humanity. In Vassa, characters are either farcical, underwritten or incomprehensible. I completely agree with the previous comments saying all the actors are playing it in different tones, which makes the whole thing incoherent, but seems to me the fault of a director or whoever should be overseeing the ensemble? Surely that should have been sorted our in rehearsals.
Individual performances are good, I thought Amber James and Danny Kirrane were very good and gave the right balance of humour, pathos and depth to their inconsistently written parts. But others cast members who I've enjoyed in other things were left at sea in this play.
I really wanted to like it, but to me it's a dud.
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Post by Jan on Oct 31, 2019 6:56:25 GMT
I wonder if this script had come in from anyone other than Mike Bartlett whether Rupert Goold would have allowed it anywhere near an audience, or at least not without requiring extensive re-writes ? Eventually even very good ADs become over-indulgent of their star writers - there are many examples, mostly involving the NT. I have seen many plays by Gorky, there is no doubt they pose challenges but there are several ways of doing them: I've seen very good productions that treat them as if they actually were by Chekhov, or as sweeping cinematic large-scale historical/political dramas, or as small-scale social realist/kitchen sink dramas. Bartlett however goes for farcical black comedy. For a start this is a very hard genre to succeed in - look how few good revivals of Joe Orton plays we get - but having chosen he then fails dismally in its execution. This is just not funny. For example, he puts in (or retains) jokes about a woman being fat. Are we meant to laugh at the joke itself (presumably not), or in a superior way about the ignorant character telling the joke ? Or (and this is what happens) is the entire audience meant to sit in uncomfortable silence while 2 or 3 audience members laugh loudly ? I remember a Howard Davies production of another Gorky play where this problem was very well-handled. Sadly the direction here is really weak and inconsistent and the problem remains. This is another error by Goold, handing this script to a younger inexperienced director does them and us no favours at all. I could just about see the script working in a Richard Jones expressionistic cartoon-like production and Cyril Nri actually delivers a performance from that production, but the other actors, cast adrift, choose their own styles from realism, to broad comedy, to camp melodrama. Plenty of leavers at the interval - "That's an hour and fifteen minutes of my life I'll never get back" announced one person as they departed. On occasions like this I always feel sorry for the actors at the curtain call facing the polite smattering of applause - they know and we know, this was a turkey. Meanwhile, elsewhere, well away from this, Goold and Bartlett are planning their next West End triumph. One puzzle for me. Is the long-running joke in the play of Danny Kirrane repeating the first syllable of the word "jeweller" - so jew, jew jew - (he wants to open a jeweller's shop with his inheritance) meant to actually be associated in our minds with him really saying Jew, Jew, Jew ? I found it quite uncomfortable and puzzling. I remember Samuel Whiskers of this parish complaining when repetitions of the word "Deuce !" in a restoration comedy made this association for him, but here this seems to be deliberate and (if so) extraordinarily ill-judged by Bartlett in a play he is using to denounce capitalism - it could easily be mistaken for dog whistle anti-Semitism.
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Post by foxa on Oct 31, 2019 9:46:33 GMT
The thing in Jan's spoiler. I didn't understand or feel comfortable with that either. It managed to be tedious and nasty at the same time. Ugh - what a bad play/production.
For the first time, pretty much ever, since I'm a Friend of the Almeida, I haven't booked anything for the upcoming season. Already saw Albion and don't want to take a chance, even for £10 seats, on another evening like Vassa.
I'm resolved to be pickier in my theatre-going.
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Post by lynette on Oct 31, 2019 19:52:26 GMT
Funny thing, foxa and Doc, I noticed that too. Very odd and unpleasant and deliberate. But to what end? The whole shebang was dreadful.
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Post by Jan on Nov 2, 2019 20:07:56 GMT
The thing in Jan's spoiler. I didn't understand or feel comfortable with that either. It managed to be tedious and nasty at the same time. Ugh - what a bad play/production. Didn't pick up on that point myself. What I did pick up on was the nasty violence towards women. I'm getting to a point now (after "Man of La Mancha" too this year) that I'm considering a twitter feed or facebook or something calling directors out on it every time... The director here is a woman of course. Blame Bartlett, she’s just directing what he wrote - the fat jokes, the anti-semitism, the violence towards women, all of it - and he thinks it’s funny.
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Post by alexandra on Nov 3, 2019 11:04:37 GMT
"I remember a Howard Davies production of another Gorky play where this problem was very well-handled."
Are you sure it wasn't the Almeida's last production of Vassa, which he directed? In the west end, with Sheila Hancock and David Tennant. I remember enjoying that, but I'd never have guessed it was the same play. That said, I quite liked this, mainly for its expressionism; the Almeida is one of the few theatres to have produced expressionistic plays over the last decade or so.
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Post by Jan on Nov 3, 2019 12:50:11 GMT
"I remember a Howard Davies production of another Gorky play where this problem was very well-handled." Are you sure it wasn't the Almeida's last production of Vassa, which he directed? In the west end, with Sheila Hancock and David Tennant. I remember enjoying that, but I'd never have guessed it was the same play. That said, I quite liked this, mainly for its expressionism; the Almeida is one of the few theatres to have produced expressionistic plays over the last decade or so. Actually I was thinking of Phil Davis as the ranting anti-Semite in Philistines - we laughed *at* him. The Almeida has a long history of expressionistic drama starting with those awful productions by Yuri Lyumibov in the 1980s. As I noted though this production only dabbled with expressionism - half the cast were aiming for realism - it might have been better to have gone the full Richard Jones with an off-kilter set and day-glo lighting.
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Post by alexandra on Nov 3, 2019 13:10:20 GMT
Don't disagree, though I liked the set: so ugly. Didn't see the Lyumibovs. I love a bit of expressionism. I thought the thing at the National with Adam Godley and a big clock and bicycles, which many people hated - German I think (of course) - was fantastic.
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Post by Jan on Nov 3, 2019 15:14:44 GMT
Don't disagree, though I liked the set: so ugly. Didn't see the Lyumibovs. I love a bit of expressionism. I thought the thing at the National with Adam Godley and a big clock and bicycles, which many people hated - German I think (of course) - was fantastic. Previously at NT they gave Emil and the Detectives a German expressionism-style production, quite rightly of course. It is not my favourite genre but very graciously I am happy for there to be the odd production for others who like it.
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Post by mallardo on Nov 3, 2019 16:08:12 GMT
Don't disagree, though I liked the set: so ugly. Didn't see the Lyumibovs. I love a bit of expressionism. I thought the thing at the National with Adam Godley and a big clock and bicycles, which many people hated - German I think (of course) - was fantastic.
I think you're referring to the Georg Kaiser play, From Morning To Midnight, which the NT did a few years go. And, yes, it was fantastic!
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Post by alexandra on Nov 3, 2019 16:19:08 GMT
Yes, that's the one.
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Post by dlevi on Nov 12, 2019 7:30:21 GMT
I saw this last night ( Monday) there were a lot of empty seats ( hence the" Islington First" price scale still being offered. I agree with most everyone on here that it was pretty much a dud in every department. Ms Redmond is a good actor but not great, and the role needs someone great, but the play ( or at least this adaptation of it ) needs a strong director who can fuse the farcical and political elements together through the actors performances and the design. A failure on all counts. Also the programme was utterly useless. The two essays one about strong women in drama and the other about life juat before the revolution in Russia were rather generic in what knowledge and insight that they offered. Better the notes should've been about THIS play. When has it been done? Why isn't it done more often (well we found that out by watching it.) After the interval there were many many more seats available and the side sections of the Circle were virtually empty. The audience response was decidedly muted.
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Post by david on Nov 16, 2019 22:54:53 GMT
Having watched this tonight, this for me was a sure misfire of a production from the Almeida and one I couldn’t really engage with (even the darker comical elements which would normally land with me didn’t). The only saving grace was Amber James’s performance which to me seemed like she was in a totally different production to the other cast.
As others have noted, totally, this production had more ups and downs than a rollercoaster. One minute comical and then next glimpses of real emotion. The ending of Act 2 really didn’t work out for me or have the emotional impact it should have had because the build up to that moment wasn’t strong during the build up to that moment.
Whilst I may not have had a great night tonight, the other patrons seemed to enjoy it with only a few empty seats post interval.
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Post by nash16 on Nov 17, 2019 1:32:58 GMT
Having watched this tonight, this for me was a sure misfire of a production from the Almeida and one I couldn’t really engage with (even the darker comical elements which would normally land with me didn’t). The only saving grace was Amber James’s performance which to me seemed like she was in a totally different production to the other cast. As others have noted, totally, this production had more ups and downs than a rollercoaster. One minute comical and then next glimpses of real emotion. The ending of Act 2 really didn’t work out for me or have the emotional impact it should have had because the build up to that moment wasn’t strong during the build up to that moment. Whilst I may not have had a great night tonight, the other patrons seemed to enjoy it with only a few empty seats post interval. I genuinely thought everyone in this production was acting as though they were in very individual and different plays to each other. Eurgh, it was just hideous.
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