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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 5:05:18 GMT
After sitting on the M25 the other week and noted 9/10 cars were singularly occupied, bring in road tolls I think tax on fuel is better. As the M6 Toll shows, if you toll specific busy roads then people just move to different roads. But if you tax the fuel then you're automatically taxing the heaviest polluters the most with no extra administration cost required.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 6:40:33 GMT
I think that digital programmes are a fantastic idea. The only issue is that commercial theatres would still want to charge a lot for them which would be a rip off. Could abolish free printed cast lists as well perhaps (or make them available on request at the box office?) - all of that info is on the website these days. I see the Royal Court has now done this - maybe Stephen floated the idea or they were going to do it anyway! Where the cast lists were is a large poster with the cast list, saying they are available on request and suggesting you take a photo of the poster if you want to refer to it. Good move!
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Post by Stephen on Sept 29, 2019 20:59:32 GMT
The Royal Court has also completely stopped using takeaway coffee cups. They're selling great little keep cups for £1.50!
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Post by NeilVHughes on Oct 4, 2019 10:38:01 GMT
Today, the National Theatre has declared Climate Emergency
The planet is on track to reach a global temperature rise of 3˚C before the end of the century. The evidence of catastrophic environmental collapse is growing ever clearer, from extreme weather events to widespread extinction of species.
Theatre, like all industries, has an impact: we create work that is inherently temporary; that makes use of raw materials, of heat, light and sound; that asks people to travel to a particular location at a particular time.
However, we believe theatre can be part of the solution – we tell stories, shape culture and encourage empathy and understanding. Our industry is made up of creative and inspiring people who are motivated to make change.
We have already made significant progress towards reducing the carbon impact of the National Theatre; you can read more about that work here. The scale of the change required means we are already scrutinizing every part of the way we operate. We are on track to achieve our goals set in alignment with the Paris Agreement, taking us to carbon neutrality by 2050. But we believe this is a climate emergency - and it is our responsibility to aim for a carbon neutral National Theatre faster.
To achieve this, key areas of focus are:
Our building – we have made significant improvements to the efficiency of our 1970s building, reducing energy, waste and water carbon impact by 25% since 2016. We will continue to set ambitious targets to move towards net carbon zero on site.
Our programme – as part of our mission to tell resonant stories and to galvanise positive change, climate and ecological concerns will be reflected prominently in our programme. Making theatre – we are working with production teams to examine every step of the process of bringing shows to the stage and understand how to reduce their environmental impact. We will share what we learn with the theatre sector and encourage the exchange of ideas. Transport – as the National Theatre we believe it is very important to tour across the UK and around the world. We’re actively assessing the impact of our touring and will work to minimise carbon impact; however, the truth is that radical changes to national and international transport infrastructure are needed to reach carbon neutrality.
Audiences and staff – we want staff to feel empowered to examine their own practice and decision making, with ideas for change filtering throughout the National Theatre. We must enable audiences and visitors to understand and minimize their pollution and carbon footprint when visiting us.
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Post by lynette on Oct 4, 2019 11:42:37 GMT
Of course, do all the above NT and we applaud you for it and hope you will be an example to encourage others. But, the NT has state support and isn’t wholly dependant on shareholders or big ‘owners’ for whom the only thing that matters is profit. And though mighty oaks from tiny acorns do indeed grow, I am wondering what impact this will have in a world dominated by other nations’ overwhelming need for and production of energy.
Ps frankly I find the high moral tone of the NT a bit much. If they want me to visit, then hey, I have to get there somehow, maybe eat some of their dire food offerings and tramp my metaphorical footprint all over the place.
Pps I suppose knocking the hideous and user unfriendly building down and starting again might help, no?
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Post by TallPaul on Oct 4, 2019 12:45:04 GMT
I suppose knocking the hideous and user unfriendly building down and starting again might help, no? I know you are jesting (and have a particular dislike of the National Theatre), but now it's been built, it's probably more environmentally friendly for it to remain. As a concrete building, the cement used in its construction will have released huge amounts of CO2. Even if producers switched fully to non-fossil fuels, the chemical reaction is responsible for 60% of the carbon footprint. Any mention in the press release of closing the underground car park?
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 4, 2019 13:06:41 GMT
Our programme – as part of our mission to tell resonant stories and to galvanise positive change, climate and ecological concerns will be reflected prominently in our programme. I suspect the vast majority of casual theatregoers are looking for something to take them out of the current world and what we are living through and to find things that entertain, divert (and occasionally challenge) them This doesn't diminish the importance of seeking solutions to the issues surrounding our climate - but we don't need to have it a prominent part of our National Theatre programming. I am increasingly frustrated by this movement. It is huge on idealism and not always fully engaged with the real world issues of actually bringing about viable solutions. Yes, you need drive and enthusiasm. But you also have to contribute more than just protest and slogans. Demands are all well and good - but they are not enough. Declaring a 'climate emergency' is a response to a very vocal pressure group. A group that does not always follow the demands it places on others. A group that threatens groups that are already doing good work in the area of reducing their carbon footprint to as close to zero as they can with disruption if they don't sign up to a very specific agenda. I want people to work together to find ways through this. But I also want our cultural institutions to be free to tell a whole range of stories - not to be pressured by ANYONE into telling the stories that any one group wants to hear.
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Post by Nicholas on Oct 4, 2019 14:56:25 GMT
Sadly, I've just read their 2021 programming. It includes: Uncle Electric Vanya. Animal Wind Farm. War Horse-power. The Sustainable Cherry Orchard. Wild Organic Honey. I know you’re being facetious, but…
This discussion comes up EVERY TIME a political issue comes up. The assumption is that the play can be about AND ONLY ABOUT that issue. Personally that strikes me as a lack of imagination. One of the best shows I saw tackling climate change (albeit indirectly, through tribal displacement) was The Encounter, and so imaginative was it that I honestly don’t know what was real, what was illusion, and what was imagination. Another great show tackling the climate crisis is An Enemy of the People – and that was written 200 years ago.
There's only one bad climate play I've seen - but it, um, wasn't a play. One of the dullest shows I’ve ever seen was 2071. I’ve actually reread it a number of times – it became the centrepiece of my university dissertation 100 years ago – but I fell asleep in the theatre, due it being, well, not theatre. I 100% understand why Billers gave it five stars, and politically I was chuffed that climate science was given this push, but it just was not theatre. I’d urge to Royal Court and Katie Mitchell to go back and complete her trilogy of science plays. I’d just urge her to make it a play this time.
Lungs is about to be on. Lungs is 100% a climate crisis play, written before we used the words climate crisis. It’s also a deeply human play. I wept at the end of it. It’s that perfect thing – unapologetically political, but deeply human. With his insistence on humanising issues, Ibsen could have written it.
Worry ye not, mind. 99% of shows at the Nash will be as is. When they next revive Twelfth Night, will Malvolio’s garters be flooded by melting ice caps? Yes, if they do put one ‘issue play’ on every year, there is also the issue of, you know, the plays being good – will we gets Lungs, or will we get 2071? Sir David Hare’s probably writing something extremely tedious as we speak, and given his fame we’ll have to endure it; it’ll be dull not because of its topic, but because it’ll be I’m Not Running Water. Rufus does have a duty to commission committed people to write his issue plays.
However, not only has theatre always been political, but, as with the Ibsen, it has the rare power to put a human face on issues that otherwise are beyond us. Climate plays? People vs Oil is David vs Goliath. The tragedies of air pollution outside schools are intimate stories of family loss. Simon McBurney should adventurously adapt Merchants of Doubt (that’s a gift Simon - ed: no, do The Lost Words).
At the moment immediate crises are happening to tribespeople in Siberia and in the Amazon. I want to see those stories. Crises are also happening in London schools. I want to see those stories. Crises are happening by indigenous tribes trodden on by big oil, and by middle-Americans being trodden on by big oil. I want to see those stories. If Katie Mitchell can do something half-decent this time, I want to see actual scientists telling stories too.
But nonetheless, this'll probably be one play, via allusion, every two years. If you're going to boycott, that's only £7.50 a year you're saving!
If you’re worried about how climate science will ruin theatre, go to the Old Vic. Is A Very Expensive Poison unnecessary political sloganeering, or a challenging piece of (admittedly messy) theatre? Go back. Watch Lungs. When you come out weeping and in love, you tell us that plays shouldn’t tackle the climate crisis.
P.S. Having said 2071 was that dull, I’m nonetheless still haunted by its closing words – the only point the play becomes theatrical, implicating us as theatregoers. Actually, it does imply the breadth of stories theatre can and should tell on this issue. More importantly, it does remind us that we have a duty when we go to the theatre, and theatremakers have a duty when they inspire us:
By being here tonight - by travelling to this theatre, by using these lights, the heating, the amplification of my voice - we have contributed to the amount of CO2 in the Atmosphere. There will be carbon atoms that were generated by this event that will still be in the air in 2071, in the air that my granddaughter will breathe. That’s our legacy. Science can’t say what is right and what is wrong. Science can inform, but it cannot arbitrate, it cannot decide. Science can say that if we burn another half-trillion tons of carbon the atmospheric content of CO2 will go up by another 100 parts per million, and that will almost certainly lead to a warming of the planet greater than two degrees, with major disruption of the climate system, and huge risks for the natural world and human wellbeing. But it can’t answer moral questions, value questions. Do we care about the world’s poor? Do we care about future generations? Do we see the environment as part of the economy, or the economy as part of the environment? The whole point about climate change is that, despite having been revealed by science, it is not really an issue about science, it is an issue about what sort of world we want to live in. What kind of future do we want to create?
Oh, and also, stupid of me to miss - Uncle Vanya! Character and ecology, beautifully at one. You can burn peat in your stoves and build your sheds of stone. Oh, I don't object, of course, to cutting wood from necessity, but why destroy the forests? The woods of Russia are trembling under the blows of the axe. Millions of trees have perished. The homes of the wild animals and birds have been desolated; the rivers are shrinking, and many beautiful landscapes are gone forever. And why? Because men are too lazy and stupid to stoop down and pick up their fuel from the ground. [To HELENA] Am I not right, Madame? Who but a stupid barbarian could burn so much beauty in his stove and destroy that which he cannot make? Man is endowed with reason and the power to create, so that he may increase that which has been given him, but until now he has not created, but demolished. The forests are disappearing, the rivers are running dry, the game is exterminated, the climate is spoiled, and the earth becomes poorer and uglier every day. [To VOITSKI] I read irony in your eye; you do not take what I am saying seriously, and—and—after all, it may very well be nonsense. But when I pass peasant-forests that I have preserved from the axe, or hear the rustling of the young plantations set out with my own hands, I feel as if I had had some small share in improving the climate, and that if mankind is happy a thousand years from now I will have been a little bit responsible for their happiness. When I plant a little birch tree and then see it budding into young green and swaying in the wind, my heart swells with pride and I—[Sees the WORKMAN, who is bringing him a glass of vodka on a tray] however—[He drinks] I must be off. Probably it is all nonsense, anyway. Good-bye.
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Post by Nicholas on Oct 4, 2019 19:55:41 GMT
The assumption is that the play can be about AND ONLY ABOUT that issue. Personally that strikes me as a lack of imagination. Unfortunately, though, it does normally turn out to be not only true, but relentless. I agree there are exceptions ("Lungs" should be interesting) but there is, I find a certain mentality of approach that is hard to shake for many in that field. True! I think I've just been hurt before here. In that old thread about working class theatre*, I wanted to say that any play could be "working class" if cast well and in the right theatre - but I got tired of people basically assuming there was only one plot and one ideology for this "issue". Given that the climate crisis is a very broad and human issue - perhaps too new and big to have been tackled much, but one subtly mentioned in plays like Chekhov and Ibsen - I wanted to highlight that this shouldn't be any hindrance to theatrical brilliance. Shouldn't be. Apologies for bigging up Lungs so much. I really did love it mind.
More broadly, I think this press release a good thing in theory, obvs - largely because once you've made a statement it's in the public's hands. Now you and I have the power to pursue Rufus. If he's all talk and no trousers when it comes to carbon costing his shows, let's complain. If he fails to put on suitable shows, let's complain. And if those shows end up as two dimensional and sh*tty as you worry - and given I'll bet you a fiver Sir David DOES attempt to adapt Greta Thunberg, they very well might be! - let's complain. But now it's up to us to enforce!
*Wanted to pick you up on something you mentioned over there, actually:
"Naked Attraction" is literally reaching "rock bottom," isn't it. As some comedian mused, will there one day be "Celebrity Naked Attraction" - if so, the barrel has truly been scraped. I bloody love Naked Attraction.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Oct 5, 2019 14:24:14 GMT
Everyone, in everything they do, must be made to think about climate change.
People having sex must be made to think about whether their energy could be harnessed to save the planet.
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Post by Nicholas on Oct 11, 2019 12:17:36 GMT
I bloody love Naked Attraction. Big fan of tattoos? Big fan of naked people. These days, I take what I can get.
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Post by peggs on Oct 13, 2019 15:32:38 GMT
Has the national done away with it's water whatsit on the bar as they have decided people were taking too much free water away so now it's just jugs and glasses? There is one in the kitchen I know but it's smaller and you don't waste a load of water trying to fill your bottle up there and in my defence I was actually going to see a show there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 15:54:56 GMT
Would be odd if they are trying to discourage people from refilling water bottles given they have just made a big thing of declaring a climate emergency! I noticed it had been removed last time I was there - maybe it just broke or was a hassle to maintain? Still plenty of water available on the bar though.
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Post by peggs on Oct 13, 2019 19:48:41 GMT
Much harder to fill a bottle from but I take your point, I expect it probably did just break or something.
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Post by justfran on Oct 17, 2019 20:09:04 GMT
Matthew Bourne's New Adventures have an initiative called Green Adventures and working with Julie's Bicycle their recent tour of Swan Lake was the first creative green certified tour. They have green champions among their dancers and creative staff. new-adventures.net/about-us/green-adventures
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 6:03:38 GMT
Agree with the principle of reducing the use of these but I'm not sure how this will work ... Royal Court to ban visitors from bringing single-use bottlesTranslation: "We are nannying people" So - if I turn up at the Royal Court and happen to have a single use bottle of water (which actually I may have already refilled several times, but anyway ...) Vicky will search me for this contraband and make me throw it away. But it's fine for me to buy another one as soon as I leave the theatre. So that'll help!
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Post by Dawnstar on Oct 23, 2019 18:35:14 GMT
I really hope that doesn't spread to other theatres. I always carry water in so-called single use plastic bottles, which I actually use many times over, because they are much lighter to carry around. This is especially relevent when I'm out for 12 hours double-show theatregoing down to London & set out with nearly 2 litres of water with me.
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Post by Jon on Oct 23, 2019 18:47:16 GMT
I wonder if the RC will be selling a reusable bottle in exchange for your single use bottle
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Post by peggs on Nov 2, 2019 8:53:58 GMT
National launching e tickets now.
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Post by lynette on Nov 2, 2019 14:32:39 GMT
Yes I saw that about the tickets. I usually like a proper ticket but I suppose I'll get used to having the tic on my phone. I’m wondering about when I give the tickets away though or when I return them. How will that work? And they used to make you actually return the ticket before a refund or a change. What will they do now? Presumably you will still have the original booking on your phone? I’m a bit lacking in the techie ( ask fellow mods) so it might just be simples.
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Post by Jon on Nov 2, 2019 15:47:31 GMT
I’m surprised the National didn’t do it sooner. Nimax are considering it and ATG are trialling it next year so it seems more theatres will be adopting it. When I saw Moulin Rouge on Broadway, they had mobile tickets which could be stored on the wallet app on my iPhone so I hope that happens here.
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Post by peggs on Nov 2, 2019 21:09:04 GMT
Maybe if they're electronic they can just cancel and re-issue so it won't matter that people have the e-ticket as it wouldn't let them in? I did wonder today if it will mean more people wandering around lost in the auditorium, the e-tickets I've had they just scan them, they aren't looking to see what they say (that would be difficult due to size) and directing people. I joined in and started directing people today, the usher seemed to take an age with people and the stage seating at the Old Vic had people thrown.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 17:33:53 GMT
I wonder if the RC will be selling a reusable bottle in exchange for your single use bottle I HATE the new plastic bottle ban at Royal Court. I think it's disgusting and dictatorial. I always buy a bottle of water from the nearest supermarket before going to theatre because I'm not going to be ripped off. I am not about to use some gross public water tap and a reusable bottle. I don't even want to think about the germs! Wont be visiting the Royal Court anytime soon. I won't be nannied by any theatre.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 17:36:44 GMT
I think the introduction of e tickets is over the top. Why not just print on recycled paper if they are that concerned? Paper tickets are nice to keep as a memento, especially when I don't have the money to spend on an overpriced programme. Damn, I would even pay 50p to a £1 for a printed ticket. I think it's utterly ridiculous.
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Post by Jon on Nov 3, 2019 17:57:20 GMT
I think the introduction of e tickets is over the top. Why not just print on recycled paper if they are that concerned? Paper tickets are nice to keep as a memento, especially when I don't have the money to spend on an overpriced programme. Damn, I would even pay 50p to a £1 for a printed ticket. I think it's utterly ridiculous. Most industries whether it be travel or entertainment to have e-tickets. It's not just being eco-friendly, it's saves a lot of money on postage and admin not having physical tickets and for many people, having their tickets on their phone means one less thing to worry about.
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