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Post by theatrelover123 on Jul 8, 2021 20:44:24 GMT
Go back and read the last 20/30 pages of this thread again. Then get back to me (if you must). Have a good evening. I have. And so I will. I didn’t see anybody challenge other people’s opinions or saying they were wrong. Only people expressing their positive or negative opinions about a show or the music. As in life. No bitterness or vitriol towards other board members. Sorry. Happy to be proved wrong though. Have a lovely evening too. |
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jul 8, 2021 21:03:40 GMT
Does the recording give away any ‘twists’?
I’m eager to listen to it all, but don’t want to ruin anything ahead of actually seeing show plot wise.
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Post by steve10086 on Jul 8, 2021 21:16:56 GMT
Does the recording give away any ‘twists’? I’m eager to listen to it all, but don’t want to ruin anything ahead of actually seeing show plot wise. Whole story on recording (and then some!). Don’t listen if you don’t want spoilers. |
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Post by danb on Jul 8, 2021 21:22:00 GMT
I think that this thread has given away all of the twists already.
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Post by max on Jul 8, 2021 21:27:27 GMT
On Twitter I've seen some declaring it their new favourite musical, and describing the score as "beautiful"; one said they get hugely involved in shows and this delivered 'and then some'. Some cried, laughed, and cried again. Others seeing CHF character as a metaphor for being LGBTQ+. I'm not using those to counter any view, or to invite those assertions to be exploded (because they quite easily are no doubt). Just interested to know if any who've found it woeful can see what others might really love about it. Because it seems for some it's sooooo far out it would be quite hard to begin to see how others would like it - other than that they've got terrible taste (which I know most of us wouldn't want to say, as it's patronising)
Edit/Added: I should offer that an equivalent for me is Mamma Mia. I couldn't understand how anyone could like it; that the last time I'd been in that theatre I was watching 'Evita' (staging influenced by the staging of Brecht's mentor Erwin piscator), and the only moment MM truly took off was when stadium girders flew in for the finale giving the audience the experience they really wanted and could have had in an 80s themed bar for a tenth of the price. Other things I can say 'not my cup of tea' but understand others' liking for it, but not that.
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Post by theatrelover123 on Jul 8, 2021 21:42:21 GMT
On Twitter I've seen some declaring it their new favourite musical, and describing the score as "beautiful"; one said they get hugely involved in shows and this delivered 'and then some'. Some cried, laughed, and cried again. Others seeing CHF character as a metaphor for being LGBTQ+. I'm not using those to counter any view, or to invite those assertions to be exploded (because they quite easily are no doubt). Just interested to know if any who've found it woeful can see what/why others might really love about it. Because it seems for some it's sooooo far out it would be quite hard to begin to see how others would like it - other than that they've got terrible taste (which I know most of us wouldn't want to say, as it's patronising) Edit/Added: I should offer that an equivalent for me is Mamma Mia. I couldn't understand how anyone could like it; that the last time I'd been in that theatre I was watching 'Evita' (staging influenced by the staging of Brecht's mentor Erwin piscator), and the only moment MM truly took off was when stadium girders flew in for the finale giving the audience the experience they really wanted and could have had in an 80s themed bar for a tenth of the price. Other things I can say 'not my thing' but understand others' liking for it. Is it not easier to just read what people like about it and then counter that with what other people dislike about it (from the many comments here) and reach conclusions from those? Asking other people to justify personal opinions in comparison or in relation to what others think runs the risk of people casting judgement on other people rather than the object of discussion? |
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Post by steve10086 on Jul 8, 2021 21:43:21 GMT
On Twitter I've seen some declaring it their new favourite musical, and describing the score as "beautiful"; one said they get hugely involved in shows and this delivered 'and then some'. Some cried, laughed, and cried again. Others seeing CHF character as a metaphor for being LGBTQ+. I'm not using those to counter any view, or to invite those assertions to be exploded (because they quite easily are no doubt). Just interested to know if any who've found it woeful can see what/why others might really love about it. Because it seems for some it's sooooo far out it would be quite hard to begin to see how others would like it - other than that they've got terrible taste (which I know most of us wouldn't want to say, as it's patronising) Edit/Added: I should offer that an equivalent for me is Mamma Mia. I couldn't understand how anyone could like it; that the last time I'd been in that theatre I was watching 'Evita' (staging influenced by the staging of Brecht's mentor Erwin piscator), and the only moment MM truly took off was when stadium girders flew in for the finale giving the audience the experience they really wanted and could have had in an 80s themed bar for a tenth of the price. Other things I can say 'not my thing' but understand others' liking for it. In 2 weeks I’ll be able to judge the “experience” of seeing the show, rather than just the music/lyrics/plot, but at the moment I really can’t understand some of the raves on Twitter. I think some of them may be from CHF fans who’d pay to watch her take a dump. I can understand why people like the main songs that have been released. They aren’t my favourite ALW songs by a long shot, but they have an impact. I’m just currently at a loss to know how people are putting up with all the endless nonsense in between. Perhaps it just looks good. Certainly seems to be prettily lit. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2021 21:46:36 GMT
I do worry about certain people making extravagant proclamations about it in this thread without actually seeing it. I mean, having read all the comments about it I have no desire to see it but to trounce it so vehemently without actually seeing it seems odd and suggests that there is an agenda of some sort. Shame. You were happy for someone who hadn't even heard the full score, let alone see the show, to praise the music and ALW and rave about how great it was and even score it a 10 on a poll 'that is just a bit of fun', yet you don't like someone commenting negatively, when they have more of a perspective than that poster had. Why is there is 'an agenda' now, when there apparently wasn't one before? |
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Post by max on Jul 8, 2021 21:59:06 GMT
I was just interested in whether it was completely 'de trop' (to quote George from 'Aspects..') or some could see the world in which it could sit and could work. That interested me as a writer and producer, as there can be quite a difference in energy between 'well see for yourself' and an altruistic desire to save others from harm by imploring them to steer clear. Those energies spread at different speeds.
I specifically said no need to pick another view apart.
A reasonable ask I thought, so I did. If I'm only met with tumbleweed fair enough.
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Post by fiyerorocher on Jul 8, 2021 22:02:36 GMT
Sounds like Ivano might be off for a while. According to the disembodied voice of ALW in the pre-show recording, he's had to have surgery. Not the ideal way to make your debut :/
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Post by stagebyte on Jul 8, 2021 22:05:06 GMT
Sounds like Ivano might be off for a while. According to the disembodied voice of ALW in the pre-show recording, he's had to have surgery. Not the ideal way to make your debut :/ What happened to him? |
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Post by max on Jul 8, 2021 22:09:37 GMT
On Twitter I've seen some declaring it their new favourite musical, and describing the score as "beautiful"; one said they get hugely involved in shows and this delivered 'and then some'. Some cried, laughed, and cried again. Others seeing CHF character as a metaphor for being LGBTQ+. I'm not using those to counter any view, or to invite those assertions to be exploded (because they quite easily are no doubt). Just interested to know if any who've found it woeful can see what/why others might really love about it. Because it seems for some it's sooooo far out it would be quite hard to begin to see how others would like it - other than that they've got terrible taste (which I know most of us wouldn't want to say, as it's patronising) Edit/Added: I should offer that an equivalent for me is Mamma Mia. I couldn't understand how anyone could like it; that the last time I'd been in that theatre I was watching 'Evita' (staging influenced by the staging of Brecht's mentor Erwin piscator), and the only moment MM truly took off was when stadium girders flew in for the finale giving the audience the experience they really wanted and could have had in an 80s themed bar for a tenth of the price. Other things I can say 'not my thing' but understand others' liking for it. In 2 weeks I’ll be able to judge the “experience” of seeing the show, rather than just the music/lyrics/plot, but at the moment I really can’t understand some of the raves on Twitter. I think some of them may be from CHF fans who’d pay to watch her take a dump. I can understand why people like the main songs that have been released. They aren’t my favourite ALW songs by a long shot, but they have an impact. I’m just currently at a loss to know how people are putting up with all the endless nonsense in between. Perhaps it just looks good. Certainly seems to be prettily lit. Thanks Steve10086. In his earliest shows (certainly JCS and Evita, and Aspects) I felt that while there were great main songs it was the music 'in between' that really excited me. Could include moments in Cats too. That was where some stunning quality and innovation was. More recently that connective material hasn't been so strong (WIW), and the musical voice lacking surprise/originality that was often found in between. I'll be interested to hear/see this. [Actually some in between/recitative in Aspects does plod but 'Falling' is a stunning bit of writing] CHF does have a passionate following. Not knowing her much before, I've come to like her very much on her youtube videos, so that will colour my warmth too I think. |
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Post by fiyerorocher on Jul 8, 2021 22:13:23 GMT
Sounds like Ivano might be off for a while. According to the disembodied voice of ALW in the pre-show recording, he's had to have surgery. Not the ideal way to make your debut :/ What happened to him? Some sort of injury, I think? Possibly during rehearsals - they threw the understudy on at very short notice last week. I think he got about 90 minutes to prepare. |
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Post by andrew on Jul 8, 2021 22:23:54 GMT
I think he injured his thumb. I hope that he recovers soon. It's certainly why they postponed the press night, either they expect him to have recovered by then or they want Mike Hamway to settle in the role.
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Post by FairyGodmother on Jul 8, 2021 22:24:16 GMT
I think that this thread has given away all of the twists already. The article linked in the very first post gave away more than one.  |
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Post by fiyerorocher on Jul 8, 2021 22:45:50 GMT
I think he injured his thumb. I hope that he recovers soon. It's certainly why they postponed the press night, either they expect him to have recovered by then or they want Mike Hamway to settle in the role. Oh thumb sounds a lot less bad than what I was imagining! |
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Post by steve10086 on Jul 8, 2021 22:49:30 GMT
For all those spouting bile about this show, there are more who seem to love it judging by the scores in the poll. The difference is, those who love it don't profess to do so on a daily basis. Some folk seem to revel in wanting to pour cold puke over this show, desperate to see it fail. I hope those who dislike it so much might find something more positive in their lives that they might grow to love and share their views about, instead of peeing on others' bonfires by continually trashing a show that is nowhere near as bad as some like to make out. Don’t confuse “desperate to see it fail” for disappointment. I didn’t want it to fail. I wanted it to be amazing. I wanted to love it. I wanted a show I would return to again and again. I wanted a recording I could listen to countless times, and enjoy like I have (almost) every other ALW recording. What I “grew to love and share my views about” was musicals. Specifically ALW ones to start with. Doesn’t mean I’ll blow smoke up his ar$e when I dislike one of his shows. |
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Post by Being Alive on Jul 8, 2021 23:32:02 GMT
Gosh, they really did think that Helen George was gonna play the Queen eh? Cause the cast recording cast is pretty much the show cast apart from her... (I am giving it another listen to see if it annoys/disappoints me as much as it did in the room - spoiler it does...)
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Post by FairyGodmother on Jul 8, 2021 23:42:00 GMT
I think she did too!
She said so in Hello anyway...
I remember on here people were sceptical about Adam Lambert, but nobody thought Helen George was an odd/unlikely choice.
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Post by FairyGodmother on Jul 9, 2021 0:10:48 GMT
I've just heard Emerald Fennel's little cameo on the soundtrack.  |
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Post by thelord7 on Jul 9, 2021 1:56:19 GMT
I'm completely in love with the album! It is purely an ALW. All colors, rhythms, intentions! I loved Buns'N'Roses and Sarah Brightman's so much fun participation. The reprise of I Know I Have a Heart chills me. And I like how Cinderella and Sebastian interact. This is really full of life and I'm listening for the third time.
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Post by newyorkcityboy on Jul 9, 2021 4:36:26 GMT
Once you get over the shock, there are some moments to enjoy on the album. (And plenty more to cringe at...) It’s a bit of a melting pot, with echoes of Wicked, Beauty & The Beast, Martin Guerre, Little Mermaid, Blondel (remember that?!) and even Chess (the opening number felt like it was channelling Merano, which was in itself a parody…) Plus plenty of The Lord’s other shows, particularly Cats & Starlight. Dare I say it, The Sea Witch is at least pure campy fun - almost a shame it was cut!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 9, 2021 5:18:41 GMT
Full album is on Spotify
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Post by marob on Jul 9, 2021 5:58:41 GMT
Just listened to the first 20 or so minutes on Spotify and I quite like what I’ve heard so far. Very tongue in cheek. Will save the rest for seeing the actual show.
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Post by ceebee on Jul 9, 2021 6:36:41 GMT
I've not listened to the cast recording yet, so I'm hoping I'll enjoy it as much as I enjoyed the show. It's interesting how earlier comments have picked up on the echoes of other shows (not just ALW's) coming through - I noticed this in the first preview but wondered if I was just demob happy at being back in a theatre again.
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