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Post by danb on Apr 30, 2021 9:20:39 GMT
I must have a particularly titchy phone. I get "The Stepmo", "The Godmo" and "Prince Sebasti". You are so down with the kids! Word sista! 😊 |
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Apr 30, 2021 10:42:15 GMT
I must have a particularly titchy phone. I get "The Stepmo", "The Godmo" and "Prince Sebasti". Down with the kids innitttttttt |
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Apr 30, 2021 10:42:44 GMT
I must have a particularly titchy phone. I get "The Stepmo", "The Godmo" and "Prince Sebasti". You are so down with the kids! Word sista! 😊 Hahahaha just typed - great minds fellow cool person  |
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Post by fluxcapacitor on May 1, 2021 19:31:05 GMT
Why can’t they just use headshots? *sigh* I don’t know, I like for a show to put in the effort with stylised character photoshoots as it feels fresh and can fit and sell the show a bit better than just using mismatched headshots. Think of the original Rent poster - had those individual character images appeared on a launch website like this it would have been great since they’re really well done, conceptual but energetic and fitting of the show. It’s the photos themselves that completely let the concept down here IMO. They look cheap and tacky with some quickly bought props from Poundland and a half thought out concept. But then, maybe that is representative of the show... |
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on May 1, 2021 20:35:00 GMT
Why can’t they just use headshots? *sigh* I don’t know, I like for a show to put in the effort with stylised character photoshoots as it feels fresh and can fit and sell the show a bit better than just using mismatched headshots. Think of the original Rent poster - had those individual character images appeared on a launch website like this it would have been great since they’re really well done, conceptual but energetic and fitting of the show. It’s the photos themselves that completely let the concept down here IMO. They look cheap and tacky with some quickly bought props from Poundland and a half thought out concept. But then, maybe that is representative of the show... That’s a really point actually. I think you’ve hit the nail on the head why I don’t like them - they’re tacky. |
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Post by Boob on May 1, 2021 22:00:42 GMT
Ask Lottie Mayor. She might not agree. There are plenty of people who have starred in ALW shows only for them to not even be working in theatre ten years later. Yeah ALW falls over himself when bigging up his latest stars and creatives as being the “best Ive ever worked with”.. and then he quickly moves on and they are cast aside for the next new novelty. It’s all just spin. He really needs to not produce his own shows. He knows how to assemble good (“hot”) creatives. He just can’t get the best out of them. |
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Post by musicalmarge on May 2, 2021 7:36:16 GMT
Hit musicals are a combination of
A amazing story/plot/message
B incredible score
C sensational cast
D gorgeous/clever set and visuals
E hype/logo/marketing/advertising
F venue and location
G timing (with other shows and current politics/news)
H connection to a famous person/event
I amaaaaaazing word of mouth!
If one of these are out - it’s a very rocky road
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Post by danb on May 2, 2021 11:12:36 GMT
This is so true. There is always at least a germ of brilliance somewhere, but I’d argue that since Sunset there have always been several of these elements missing from the show hence the mixed results and shorter runs.
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Post by Someone in a tree on May 2, 2021 11:49:54 GMT
Hit musicals are a combination of A amazing story/plot/message B incredible score C sensational cast D gorgeous/clever set and visuals E hype/logo/marketing/advertising F venue and location G timing (with other shows and current politics/events) If one of these are out - it’s a very rocky road Interesting argument but what about Thriller?!!! |
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Post by danb on May 2, 2021 12:24:16 GMT
Hit musicals are a combination of A amazing story/plot/message B incredible score C sensational cast D gorgeous/clever set and visuals E hype/logo/marketing/advertising F venue and location G timing (with other shows and current politics/events) If one of these are out - it’s a very rocky road Interesting argument but what about Thriller?!!! I misunderstood...I thought we were just talking about ALW shows. Admittedly, ‘Thriller’ may have had a flaw or two. |
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Post by robertb213 on May 2, 2021 15:04:26 GMT
The music in Thriller made the show sell itself, nothing else mattered. And it wasn't a musical, it was a very good revue/tribute show that tourists could enjoy without worrying about language barriers.
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Post by Phantom of London on May 3, 2021 2:30:59 GMT
Apart from B Incredible Score, I would say that Six had none of the other attributes.
Fantastic Show though.
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Post by musicalmarge on May 3, 2021 6:48:02 GMT
The music in Thriller made the show sell itself, nothing else mattered. And it wasn't a musical, it was a very good revue/tribute show that tourists could enjoy without worrying about language barriers. Thriller had B the music and G micheal Jackson had just died! |
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Post by musicalmarge on May 3, 2021 6:53:18 GMT
Apart from B Incredible Score, I would say that Six had none of the other attributes. Fantastic Show though. Six has an amazing word of mouth, an INCREDIBLE SCORE, great promotion and ad work, the Arts though lovingly grubby was very central to its success and it is about King Henry 8th’s wives! |
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Post by HereForTheatre on May 3, 2021 8:48:04 GMT
Apart from B Incredible Score, I would say that Six had none of the other attributes. Fantastic Show though. erm? Six had/has a massive amount of hype surrounding it and always has and they waste no time in getting the girls as part of any event or TV show they can, so that's E ticked. The venue was also a big part of it's success because of it's extremely central location and small size, which meant that demand was always high and it was a hot ticket so that's F ticked. The show is connected to one of our most famous kings and his well known wives that we all learned about in school, school that's H ticked. The original cast for the WE were great (I've not seen any others so can't comment) so that's also C ticked. You could easily say G as well because women empowerment has been a big topic and movement for the last several years, which is the core message of the show. |
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Post by Phantom of London on May 3, 2021 12:39:27 GMT
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Post by danb on May 3, 2021 12:52:36 GMT
Certainly ‘& Juliet’ has grown through word of mouth, and the surprising excellence of what on paper is a dreadful idea.
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Post by Phantom of London on May 3, 2021 12:58:34 GMT
Apart from B Incredible Score, I would say that Six had none of the other attributes. Fantastic Show though. erm? Six had/has a massive amount of hype surrounding it and always has and they waste no time in getting the girls as part of any event or TV show they can, so that's E ticked. The venue was also a big part of it's success because of it's extremely central location and small size, which meant that demand was always high and it was a hot ticket so that's F ticked. The show is connected to one of our most famous kings and his well known wives that we all learned about in school, school that's H ticked. The original cast for the WE were great (I've not seen any others so can't comment) so that's also C ticked. You could easily say G as well because women empowerment has been a big topic and movement for the last several years, which is the core message of the show. Musical have failed in the Arts Theatre and the theatre itself is a dump. Any show that is successful you could say that the venue contributes to its success. So that is F unticked That’s what promoters do for any show and they never turn down a chance for a free promotion or a TV show, that is what all producers do, to get their produce out there. That is E unticked. The story isn’t original and has been around for 500 years, many musicals have been based on history. It is a original story like Mamma Mia. That is H unticked. The cast were unknown at the time and were not a draw, although great. So that is C unticked. Women empowerment don’t sell shows. That is G unticked. Any successful show you could apply that filter to, it is completely subjective how it is applied and in your case through rose tinted glasses. Subjectively you could say that Memphis ticked every box on that filter and fail it did. Motown didn’t tick any of the criteria set out, succeed it did. The poster did say ‘it is a very rocky road, if a show doesn’t meet the 9 criteria, she set out,’ clearly we can see by Six this isn’t the case. No one knows what makes a show fly, there is no formula to success. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 14:45:09 GMT
Women empowerment don’t sell shows. That is G unticked. I'm sorry but that's complete rubbish and frankly highly offensive! I can't believe what I'm reading. I didn't think this board was such a hotbed of misogyny. Clearly I was wrong. Dreamgirls, Legally Blonde, The Prom, Chicago, &Juliet, Tina, Mamma Mia, Pretty Woman, Hamilton, and many more besides - all have different forms of female empowerment (it's not a unitary concept), and all of them sell/sold. Even the likes of Wicked, Evita and other shows which don't have the straightforward happy ending have female empowerment narratives within them. Six is perhaps the boldest show in terms of its female empowerment narrative, but it is by no means the only one, and to imply as you do that narratives about strong women don't sell is just plain wrong. |
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Post by FairyGodmother on May 3, 2021 15:16:33 GMT
But Six also wasn't written to be a West End musical — it was written as a student show for the Edinburgh Fringe. It had a completely different set of priorities.
Minimal set, minimal costume changes etc. Even the concert format was in part because you have to be able to set up, run your show, and leave for the next people to get in. I agree the music was fantastic, but the way it was written took into account they wouldn't have an orchestra.
It can't really be compared that easily to things written for the West End.
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Post by Seriously on May 3, 2021 15:24:37 GMT
Meanwhile... Cinderella.
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Post by HereForTheatre on May 3, 2021 16:03:29 GMT
Anyway, with regards to Cinderella, none of us have actually seen it, so we don't know.
I remember the reaction and assumptions about &Juliet before people actually saw it.
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Post by FairyGodmother on May 3, 2021 16:47:11 GMT
I'm just listening to Rebecca Trehearn on an old Friday Night is Music Night, does that count? She has a very nice voice. |
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Post by danb on May 3, 2021 17:08:08 GMT
Was she Molly in the first ‘Ghost’ tour? Beautiful voice if so...
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Post by Phantom of London on May 3, 2021 17:08:23 GMT
Women empowerment don’t sell shows. That is G unticked. I'm sorry but that's complete rubbish and frankly highly offensive! I can't believe what I'm reading. I didn't think this board was such a hotbed of misogyny. Clearly I was wrong. Dreamgirls, Legally Blonde, The Prom, Chicago, &Juliet, Tina, Mamma Mia, Pretty Woman, Hamilton, and many more besides - all have different forms of female empowerment (it's not a unitary concept), and all of them sell/sold. Even the likes of Wicked, Evita and other shows which don't have the straightforward happy ending have female empowerment narratives within them. Six is perhaps the boldest show in terms of its female empowerment narrative, but it is by no means the only one, and to imply as you do that narratives about strong women don't sell is just plain wrong. This thread on Cinderella is about female empowerment, I have no objections to shows on female empowerment, however it isn’t a decisive factor when buying a ticket. Three of the shows you named were flops on Broadway. |
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