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Post by andrew on May 8, 2024 10:44:11 GMT
The Waitress producers walked so that Avalon could run.
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Post by jm25 on May 8, 2024 10:51:15 GMT
I was able to catch this one more time yesterday with the current cast. I'd been expecting to see Holly Sumpton on as Jean but due to her being unwell on Monday Claire-Marie Hall was back a day early, meaning it was the full OG cast in. The show is such a joy and I'm so glad I got the opportunity to see this cast one more time. They're all supremely talented but Jak Malone really is a special talent.
Agree with everyone's comments re. the awful lack of info about the cast change. Poor all round and not fair on any of the actors involved. That said, looking forward to seeing the show again at some point with the new guys!
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Post by mkb on May 8, 2024 14:54:39 GMT
...it was the full OG cast in. ... What does "OG" mean? The context suggests "original" them something beginning with "g" that has me stumped. Google says it's "gangsta" which is clearly not right. Chambers offers "own goal"!
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Post by Dave B on May 8, 2024 15:15:24 GMT
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Post by jm25 on May 8, 2024 15:26:52 GMT
...it was the full OG cast in. ... What does "OG" mean? The context suggests "original" them something beginning with "g" that has me stumped. Google says it's "gangsta" which is clearly not right. Chambers offers "own goal"! Ha! To be fair I believe the G does technically stand for "gangster" - though I usually just see it used to mean original. Merriam-Webster: someone or something that is an original or originator and especially one that is highly respected or regarded
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Post by Matt on May 8, 2024 15:58:10 GMT
Hmmm this is quite an odd thing to publicly put out there. Seems like another daft move from Avalon, showing their cards but with a not-so-much good hand:
“ The rumours are rife that Operation Mincemeat is coming to Broadway.
But here is the truth…
The Broadway industry is split. Some people, including significant investors and producers, say the show is “too British”, and some that Broadway has become too expensive. (London cost £2mil vs Broadway $13.5m) Our supporters, including many American press and public, don’t agree - and think the show will go gang-busters.
On our side, we’re looking at the stats: a year ago, 2% of our London audience was American. Today we’re up to 11%. And we’ve just picked up 2 Olivier Awards…
Listen. We really want to bring the show to Broadway. But we need the American ticket-buying public to tell us - is the show “too British” or can we join the ranks of Six, Les Mis, and Oliver… to name a few that have successfully crossed the pond?
Please help us by answering our questionnaire… And if we make it over - we’ll give you priority access to tickets.
Fingers crossed! 🤞
P.S. If you know any American patriots who have seen the show and might not be on this list, do share!”
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Post by jm25 on May 8, 2024 16:04:10 GMT
Just got the same email and also thought it was very odd. Seems a tad unprofessional?
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Post by capybara on May 8, 2024 16:07:22 GMT
I am so confused by what’s going on with this show at the moment…
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Post by osdtdg on May 8, 2024 16:07:51 GMT
A few odd decisions going on here; no announcement for cast change (supposedly, or rather very likely happening this weekend) and then this as if they want to put all the risk (and subsequently blame) of the potential transfer on the fans who answer the survey. Very weird and indeed, unprofessional
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Post by jm25 on May 8, 2024 16:10:34 GMT
I'm not USA based but have just taken a look at a few of the questions. Do you generally struggle to understand UK accents, did you understand the dialogue, did you understand the lyrics, etc.
Also a question on whether any of the following would be considered "too British" for an American audience: Les Mis, Oliver, Six, Mary Poppins, Billy Elliott, Me and My Girl.
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Post by Mark on May 8, 2024 16:24:52 GMT
A very unusual email. I’ve been told a venue has already been booked for the transfer.
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Post by Being Alive on May 8, 2024 16:28:39 GMT
Dumbest. Email. Ever.
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Post by capybara on May 8, 2024 16:32:20 GMT
Avalon are making this wonderful show and talented group of creatives look so amateur. I just don’t get it.
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Post by bobbievanhusen on May 8, 2024 16:33:31 GMT
Insane how four of the OG cast are leaving in three days, yet there has still been no official announcement from the show/producers. I feel desperately sorry for the new cast who, in any other show, would be able to enjoy the anticipation leading up to their debut performances but for some reason are not being afforded that level of respect here. I also feel sorry for paying customers who don’t know what specific emojis mean on Twitter or have the inside info to know when the old cast is leaving and the new one is starting. I’ll be there on Saturday night to wave off the departing cast but the way this has been handled is completely shambolic. Not being formally announced doesn't take anything away from the anticipation leading up to a first night. Just because someone's name is on a press release doesn't make it more exciting. It has nothing to do with respect.
99.9% of the paying public won't have a clue about who the originals were, or who the new cast are. 99.9% of the public won't care either.
It's hardly shambolic.
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on May 8, 2024 16:35:28 GMT
I said in the feedback that it’s a weird survey and desperate marketing.
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Post by capybara on May 8, 2024 16:38:46 GMT
You do start to wonder if the two things are linked here.
Clearly they wanted to announce the original cast taking the show to Broadway at the same time as the new cast.
Has the transfer fallen through? The email makes it sound as though investors have got cold feet and the survey feels like a desperate attempt to drum up support.
I hope it’s just a really mealy-mouthed piece of marketing for advance sales ahead of a big Broadway transfer announcement but all the weirdness does make one wonder…
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Post by jm25 on May 8, 2024 16:42:11 GMT
Even if they're inundated with a flood of positive responses... is that really going to convince investors when the people being surveyed are those on the mailing list?
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Post by Matt on May 8, 2024 17:10:50 GMT
Even if they're inundated with a flood of positive responses... is that really going to convince investors when the people being surveyed are those on the mailing list? And has this public plea for help given them the ick?
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Post by dip on May 8, 2024 17:12:24 GMT
"Someone get a mug with this fine fellow’s face on it, stat! @seanannigans91 as Charles Cholmondeley & others. Pleased to reveal he and our new recruits will be stationed from 13 May. Standby for more news"
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Post by Figaro on May 8, 2024 17:23:30 GMT
Does anyone think that a transfer is confirmed, they are just using this as a marketing ploy?
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Post by Matt on May 8, 2024 17:25:59 GMT
Does anyone think that a transfer is confirmed, they are just using this as a marketing ploy? Absolutely not. The worst thing you can do is get investors to back you, sort a broadway transfer, then put an email out saying “we aren’t sure this will work, convince everyone it will pls”.
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Post by helenfrombath on May 8, 2024 18:05:44 GMT
This "marketing survey" is being discussed quite a bit on the Broadway message boards as well. There seems to be some thought that perhaps the venue that the producers were looking at may or may not be available when they were expecting it to be so perhaps this survey is being sent out to see whether or not they can risk putting the show into a bigger venue?
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Post by blamerobots on May 8, 2024 18:10:08 GMT
This "marketing survey" is being discussed quite a bit on the Broadway message boards as well. There seems to be some thought that perhaps the venue that the producers were looking at may or may not be available when they were expecting it to be so perhaps this survey is being sent out to see whether or not they can risk putting the show into a bigger venue? That'd be ridiculously risky if that was the case. Venues, especially on Broadway, don't like to sit in "maybe" spaces because it's real easy to fall into conflicting timetables. Real easy to go dark if plans fall through. And going dark means no money, which is not the aim. Mincemeat, if they're this unsure, should be doing try-outs OUTSIDE of Broadway, damnit! Unless there's been some kind of disaster at wherever it was scheduled to go that we're about to find out about. Hope with that budget they've not been drilling holes in the floor to hit water mains
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Post by Jon on May 8, 2024 19:33:22 GMT
I wonder what theatre they've booked for Broadway, I think the Booth would give the intimacy plus the capacity they need to make money.
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Post by helenfrombath on May 8, 2024 20:11:10 GMT
I wonder what theatre they've booked for Broadway, I think the Booth would give the intimacy plus the capacity they need to make money. The Booth is booked for Autumn and next Spring. The Roommate and then The Donmar Next to Normal.
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Post by westendcub on May 8, 2024 21:02:09 GMT
Sorry to say but this was dire, I loved ‘Dear Bill’ hated the rest.
This had flashes of good when it was being serious & playing to emotional beats, the farce of it was not for me.
I truly think it would be a mistake on Broadway but wilder things have happened I guess, not for me!
2 stars, one for ‘Dear Bill’ & one for a hard working ensemble cast but I didn’t enjoy this one!
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Post by mrbarnaby on May 8, 2024 21:06:56 GMT
Sorry to say but this was dire, I loved ‘Dear Bill’ hated the rest. This had flashes of good when it was being serious & playing to emotional beats, the farce of it was not for me. I truly think it would be a mistake on Broadway but wilder things have happened I guess, not for me! 2 stars, one for ‘Dear Bill’ & one for a hard working ensemble cast but I didn’t enjoy this one! Hoorah! A sane voice! Thought I was going crazy finding this an absolute snooze fest. Deeply unfunny with student theatre level performances.
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Post by Jonnyboy on May 8, 2024 22:08:47 GMT
...it was the full OG cast in. ... What does "OG" mean? The context suggests "original" them something beginning with "g" that has me stumped. Google says it's "gangsta" which is clearly not right. Chambers offers "own goal"! Opera Ghost?
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Post by interval99 on May 8, 2024 22:13:45 GMT
The resistance has officially launched its counter attack.
The real life story is amazing in its daring and audacity and I had loved seeing how the show creators had built up steam before getting to the west end. Had high hopes going in which were dashed pretty quickly. Yes the cast work hard and there are some clever moments buts its a slapstick musical and the matinee I went to most of the dialogue/singing was unintelligible as it was so rushed and babbled.
Considering the tiny size of the fortune the stagehands do an amazing job storing all the desks and props and the finale scene staging but that's the only positive and the reason for the one star I gave this in the poll
A 45 minute act pulled out for a numbing two and a half hours. Off broadway it may prove a novelty show and given the the play that goes wrong went down well on broadway there momentum for odd comedy shows but can think of safer risks for 13.5 million.
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Post by max on May 8, 2024 22:30:42 GMT
In the email this is the strangest part: "or can we join the ranks of Six, Les Mis, and Oliver… to name a few that have successfully crossed the pond?" Then the survey asks if those same shows can be successful in the USA, when they've just told us they are/were. If it had slipped any Brit's attention that 'Oliver!' was a success on Broadway it's understandable, so you might otherwise click 'No' on that one, but no Broadway backer would be unaware (though it was way back in 1984 for the last revival and a lot's changed in the culture since then). 'Me And My Girl' is added to their list in the survey itself (11 Tony nominations, 3 wins) but it also ran in the mid to late eighties - relevant still?
The whole survey seems to be inviting us to join in an exercise in confirmation bias to make them feel better about doubts they've heard.
They're a great company, and I found so much to enjoy in the show - but haven't they already taught the industry and themselves the path to production? Start small, and let it grow like crazy to whatever level it reaches. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a Broadway house eventually (and quite rapidly). 'Hadestown' grew their way: development productions, then Off Broadway 2016, Canada 2017, London 2018, Broadway 2019 etc.
So interesting to see the dilemma when the 'plucky outsider' that cultivates a team of 'agent' supporters has to decide whether to parachute in as the conquering hero, or approach by stealth again taking a covert route to victory.
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