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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 15, 2019 19:24:21 GMT
It is good to hear that the key treasures/art pieces from the cathedral have been saved. Nothing compared to the building - but at least something has survived this horror.
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Post by Jon on Apr 15, 2019 19:26:50 GMT
It is good to hear that the key treasures/art pieces from the cathedral have been saved. Nothing compared to the building - but at least something has survived this horror. I think some of it was off site for conversation purposes. This incident will likely cause other countries to reevaluate their procedures for looking after these types of buildings and not just take them for granted. |
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Post by danieljohnson14 on Apr 15, 2019 19:29:16 GMT
Unsurprisingly, police enquiries over this are in full effect already.
I do worry that we haven't heard of any injured or fatalities. I pray it was a lucky escape and no one was inside, but I fear a building that legendary, someone must of been in there and hopefully gotten out.
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Post by Jon on Apr 15, 2019 19:35:46 GMT
Unsurprisingly, police enquiries over this are in full effect already. I do worry that we haven't heard of any injured or fatalities. I pray it was a lucky escape and no one was inside, but I fear a building that legendary, someone must of been in there and hopefully gotten out. The building was closed to the public today so the only people who could have been inside were workmen. |
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Post by danieljohnson14 on Apr 15, 2019 19:37:34 GMT
Unsurprisingly, police enquiries over this are in full effect already. I do worry that we haven't heard of any injured or fatalities. I pray it was a lucky escape and no one was inside, but I fear a building that legendary, someone must of been in there and hopefully gotten out. The building was closed to the public today so the only people who could have been inside were workmen. oh well it's a good relief that the vast majority wouldn't of been in there today. I hope and pray all of the workmen managed to get out in time. |
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Post by learfan on Apr 15, 2019 19:37:36 GMT
Fortunately it seems the fire started at the time it was closing to visitors, please god noone was in there. Not very often im in tears.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 19:50:55 GMT
I feel like if a large number of people are visibly grieving, even if it's "just" for a building, then it's the height of bad manners to stride into a thread and start being flippant and justifying your poor manners with some kind of attempt at being intellectual. I wouldn't walk into my old history teacher's funeral and start telling all her grieving loved ones just how awful she was to me when I was at school after all, so if your response to this level of monumental loss is to be rude about it, then how about you just clear off into some other thread.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 20:01:22 GMT
Am I expected to feel upset about a building that millions have been lavished on, where people starved, stop. A building that used slaves to build, stop. A building used for Catholic worship, watch the film Spotlight mate, stop. No, but I think most people would expect you to notice that other people are upset and react accordingly. Your reputation here is going to be in tatters for a good few weeks. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Apr 15, 2019 20:11:56 GMT
Okay my reputation is in tatters, absolutely torn to shreds, but then again you always get a strong visceral reaction when you point out the facts.
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Post by danieljohnson14 on Apr 15, 2019 20:13:43 GMT
Okay my reputation is in tatters, absolutely torn to shreds, but then again you always get a strong visceral reaction when you point out the facts. you don't even get it do you. so sad. |
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Post by learfan on Apr 15, 2019 20:18:19 GMT
Okay my reputation is in tatters, absolutely torn to shreds, but then again you always get a strong visceral reaction when you point out the facts. You seriously dont get it do you. What reputation? Admin, is it possible to delete an account? |
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Post by danieljohnson14 on Apr 15, 2019 20:52:23 GMT
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Post by Phantom of London on Apr 15, 2019 21:01:51 GMT
Get what?
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Post by danieljohnson14 on Apr 15, 2019 21:09:23 GMT
Structure of Notre-Dame saved from total destruction, Paris fire official says.
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Post by Jon on Apr 15, 2019 21:11:03 GMT
Okay my reputation is in tatters, absolutely torn to shreds, but then again you always get a strong visceral reaction when you point out the facts. You seriously dont get it do you. What reputation? Admin, is it possible to delete an account? Use the ignore feature, it’s there for a reason. |
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Post by crowblack on Apr 15, 2019 21:14:52 GMT
you can't recreate and restore over 600 years of history... But buildings are rebuilt and remodelled many times over the years. The fire will become a part of that history and a new generation of craftspeople will rebuild it, and If they do I hope it's not just a facsimile. |
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Post by Jon on Apr 15, 2019 21:16:17 GMT
you can't recreate and restore over 600 years of history... But buildings are rebuilt and remodelled many times over the years. The fire will become a part of that history and a new generation of craftspeople will rebuild it, and If they do I hope it's not just a facsimile. I believe the spire that’s been destroyed was 150 years old which is much younger than most of the building |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 21:20:42 GMT
Okay my reputation is in tatters, absolutely torn to shreds, but then again you always get a strong visceral reaction when you point out the facts. It costs nothing to show some good manners and a bit of decency and respect for others. You have shown none of that, so either you are trolling or you really think it's acceptable to stoop that low. Neither of those are ok, so you shouldn't be surprised that you are provoking such a reaction. Shameful. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 21:31:18 GMT
He made a comment about a fictional character, and people are up in arms about it. Seriously??
Some people love to make something out of not much at all. And they love to be in the middle of it.
And as for saying someone's reputation will be in tatters? from the admin team?? That's not right. Just because you disagree with them.
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Post by asfound on Apr 15, 2019 21:47:18 GMT
Okay my reputation is in tatters, absolutely torn to shreds, but then again you always get a strong visceral reaction when you point out the facts. I think you're a bit confused. Nobody is reacting this way due to your so-called "facts". They're reacting to your cringe-worthy attempts to be edgy in the face of a tragic event that many people are upset about. Take your sixth form Che Guevara-isms elsewhere. |
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Post by daisy24601 on Apr 15, 2019 23:19:10 GMT
It's devastating how quickly something can be destroyed. Hundreds of years of history gone in no time. It reminds us how fragile life is, nothing lasts forever and nothing is indestructible.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 16, 2019 1:39:51 GMT
Fire is now under control
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Post by Mr Crummles on Apr 16, 2019 2:17:57 GMT
It broke my heart to see it in flames. For many reasons. Firstly, it was in the heart of Paris; it was a beautiful structure that WAS the heart of Paris. It was difficult for me to believe that there might be a charred hole, an empty dead nothingness, where once stood one of the most majestic and impressive Gothic buildings ever raised. Cathedrals are designed to look solid and serene, a place to inspire a sense of spiritual strength that will remain for eternity, a reminder of a power much greater than anything that guides our daily affairs. It's a place where we are meant to feel sheltered by the force of transcendence. And Notre Dame's architecture was one of the most successful examples of this type of architecture. Its beauty, serenity and sense of timelessness made people like me believe there couldn’t be a world without it. And I’m not even a religious person, which only goes to show the power of Art. The good news is that recent news seem to indicate that it will be saved.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 8:07:44 GMT
A woman in Paris summed up some of it quite nicely on the news saying that 100s of people died making it and it was a memorial to them too. Which is exactly why we should preserve (some not all granted) structures that were made using, less than ethical means (I say that as not all the builders of Notre Dame were slaves). And that even those sites with questionable history should be preserved. Another French person was saying how important it felt to him as he had been a history student, and it felt like a vital piece of history. Even for those without religion- and France is a secular nation, with an only 50% Catholic population now I think- it's still integral to the history. In the same way if Westminster Abbey burned to the ground we would lose much of our history. Or indeed when St Pauls was destroyed.
But as with St Pauls there is a way to rebuild, things will be lost forever, but things will be recovered and a new chapter added. It's no compensation for what is lost, but I'm cheered by the attitude this morning of 'we will rebuild'
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Post by viserys on Apr 16, 2019 8:17:56 GMT
Indeed, it's mostly about the loss of history and a building that is literally at the heart of Paris and watched over Paris for centuries. I'm not a very churchy person, but I felt Notre Dame had a very special atmosphere. Even when it's rebuilt (and I'm sure it will be rebuild), it's still a sad loss. Considering I live in a town where the cathedral has been been the heart of the city for centuries, too, forming much of the town's identity, I don't want to know how I'd feel if our cathedral was in flames.
Let's also not forget that Paris has been suffering a lot in recent years from the terrorist attack on the Bataclan to the mindless violence and distruction of militant Yellow Vests. The town deserves a break!
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