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Post by Backdrifter on Jun 21, 2019 22:17:36 GMT
At the 3rd gig we got Discipline and Indiscipline back to back. First time I've seen them do the former, it was a real highlight.
I'd have loved them to do Red (instead of, say, Easy Money which they seem very faithful to) but ultimately they seem incapable of putting a foot wrong. What an utterly unique and extraordinary band.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2019 1:38:27 GMT
Bon Jovi at Wembley tonight reminded me why I hate going to gigs at Wembley - they were great but the sound quality was awful, even standing fairly close to the sound desk! And the sound quality for the Manics before them was even worse
Still a good atmosphere though, and I think you'd be hard pushed to find a better encore than Always and Livin on a Prayer!
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Post by Backdrifter on Jun 22, 2019 11:12:50 GMT
I've never experienced good sound at the current Wembley Stadium.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2019 11:31:01 GMT
I've never experienced good sound at the current Wembley Stadium. Stadiums, built primarily for sporting events, are designed to amplify all sound in all directions. To make the crowds cheers louder, accentuating atmosphere. Putting gigs on where sound is generally wanted to be directional (forward from the stage to the audience) in a space thats designed to reflect sound in all directions, causes acoustic chaos. Wembley is a catastrophic example of this. Reflected in the poor experience of the concert goer. www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-48446798 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2019 11:38:51 GMT
Now that is interesting @posterj. Sound was fine at "Spice Girls." Before I went, I was curious, and found Google stuff saying sound was always bad because Wembley made promoters use Wembley sound crew rather than the touring team. As Spice was OK, I was guessing Wembley had relaxed that rule. Now, I'm wondering again. For the record, where I was seated at the sides, I was about parallel with the sound desk, bit behind even. It seems to be pot luck in terms of where you are standing/seated - lots of complaints from the upper levels last night on Twitter but some from lower levels and standing as well. It wasn't so bad that it ruined the night, but it just really wasn't balanced at all. |
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Post by TallPaul on Jun 23, 2019 13:57:46 GMT
The breakfast presenter on my local radio station makes a point of telling the listener, at least once a week, that he and his wife left a Bruce Springsteen concert at Wembley cos they couldn't hear anything.
Ironically, when he played at Bramall Lane, home of the mighty Blades, the whole city heard the concert for free!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 14:23:33 GMT
he and his wife left a Bruce Springsteen concert at Wembley cos they couldn't hear anything. If it was the same one I was at a few years ago then I can't entirely blame them as the sound was pretty rubbish, but surely saying they couldn't hear anything exaggerating a bit...! |
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Post by Backdrifter on Jun 23, 2019 20:55:11 GMT
I've never experienced good sound at the current Wembley Stadium. Stadiums, built primarily for sporting events, are designed to amplify all sound in all directions. To make the crowds cheers louder, accentuating atmosphere. Putting gigs on where sound is generally wanted to be directional (forward from the stage to the audience) in a space thats designed to reflect sound in all directions, causes acoustic chaos. Wembley is a catastrophic example of this. Reflected in the poor experience of the concert goer. Gigs I saw at the old Wembley generally had okay-to-pretty good sound, as did the one time I saw one at Old Trafford football ground and the two or three I've seen at Twickenham. But I take your point. The worst example I had was a gig at Old Trafford cricket ground, both sound and sightlines appalling. Those at front pitch seemed to find it okay whereas I was in the stands, where of course all the seats face inwards to the centre of the pitch in that oval stadium designed for cricket. Of course they do. The breakfast presenter on my local radio station makes a point of telling the listener, at least once a week, that he and his wife left a Bruce Springsteen concert at Wembley cos they couldn't hear anything. Ironically, when he played at Bramall Lane, home of the mighty Blades, the whole city heard the concert for free!I'm so sorry. |
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Post by Backdrifter on Jun 24, 2019 9:15:26 GMT
Sound was fine at "Spice Girls." I like the way you say "Spice Girls" in quotes like you're saying it sarcastically. As though you're saying "this bunch of women calling themselves 'The Spice Girls'". Or maybe that is what you're saying! |
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Post by TallPaul on Jun 24, 2019 13:38:52 GMT
surely saying they couldn't hear anything exaggerating a bit...! He works for the BBC so doesn't let facts get in the way of a good story!  |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jun 24, 2019 18:03:18 GMT
Stadiums, built primarily for sporting events, are designed to amplify all sound in all directions. To make the crowds cheers louder, accentuating atmosphere. Putting gigs on where sound is generally wanted to be directional (forward from the stage to the audience) in a space thats designed to reflect sound in all directions, causes acoustic chaos. Wembley is a catastrophic example of this. Reflected in the poor experience of the concert goer. Gigs I saw at the old Wembley generally had okay-to-pretty good sound, as did the one time I saw one at Old Trafford football ground and the two or three I've seen at Twickenham. But I take your point. The worst example I had was a gig at Old Trafford cricket ground, both sound and sightlines appalling. Those at front pitch seemed to find it okay whereas I was in the stands, where of course all the seats face inwards to the centre of the pitch in that oval stadium designed for cricket. Of course they do. The breakfast presenter on my local radio station makes a point of telling the listener, at least once a week, that he and his wife left a Bruce Springsteen concert at Wembley cos they couldn't hear anything. Ironically, when he played at Bramall Lane, home of the mighty Blades, the whole city heard the concert for free!I'm so sorry.  |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jun 24, 2019 20:33:03 GMT
Gigs I saw at the old Wembley generally had okay-to-pretty good sound, as did the one time I saw one at Old Trafford football ground and the two or three I've seen at Twickenham. But I take your point. The worst example I had was a gig at Old Trafford cricket ground, both sound and sightlines appalling. Those at front pitch seemed to find it okay whereas I was in the stands, where of course all the seats face inwards to the centre of the pitch in that oval stadium designed for cricket. Of course they do. I'm so sorry.  You were advocating prog rock and Genesis on the front page!! |
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Post by Backdrifter on Jun 24, 2019 20:42:27 GMT
You were advocating prog rock and Genesis on the front page!! And quite right too. |
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Post by Backdrifter on Jul 10, 2019 16:30:32 GMT
Sitting in a bar where Motown pop and 60s soul are playing, and reflecting on how I've ever really liked these genres. I find them quite dull and uninteresting but they seem like the untouchables of music, along with reggae.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 18:41:43 GMT
Sitting in a bar where Motown pop and 60s soul are playing, and reflecting on how I've ever really liked these genres. I find them quite dull and uninteresting but they seem like the untouchables of music, along with reggae. More of a Stax fan from that period, Motown often being a bit less gutsy. A quick glance at my shelves and I’ve a lot of sixties albums by Otis Redding, Aretha Franklin and Nina Simone, also from Marvin Gaye, The Isley Brothers, The Temptations and Stevie Wonder but I think they really came into their own in the seventies, with things getting more funkified by that point. As for more straight ahead soul, Curtis Mayfield and Donny Hathaway stand out as seventies soul music geniuses to me. With reggae, it suffers/benefits from having Bob Marley who is so superior a songwriter that most of the rest is in the shade. I have some stuff from British bands like Steel Pulse but for excitement and fun then look to its precursor, Ska music. There was an interesting link between the early punk bands, reggae and ska music too. |
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Post by Backdrifter on Jul 10, 2019 19:21:48 GMT
Sitting in a bar where Motown pop and 60s soul are playing, and reflecting on how I've ever really liked these genres. I find them quite dull and uninteresting but they seem like the untouchables of music, along with reggae. More of a Stax fan from that period, Motown often being a bit less gutsy. A quick glance at my shelves and I’ve a lot of sixties albums by Otis Redding, Aretha Franklin and Nina Simone, also from Marvin Gaye, The Isley Brothers, The Temptations and Stevie Wonder but I think they really came into their own in the seventies, with things getting more funkified by that point. As for more straight ahead soul, Curtis Mayfield and Donny Hathaway stand out as seventies soul music geniuses to me. With reggae, it suffers/benefits from having Bob Marley who is so superior a songwriter that most of the rest is in the shade. I have some stuff from British bands like Steel Pulse but for excitement and fun then look to its precursor, Ska music. There was an interesting link between the early punk bands, reggae and ska music too. Klu Klux Klan by Steel Pulse is superb. |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 10, 2019 20:12:16 GMT
Sitting in a bar where Motown pop and 60s soul are playing, and reflecting on how I've ever really liked these genres. I find them quite dull and uninteresting but they seem like the untouchables of music, along with reggae. But you like Genesis??!! |
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Post by Backdrifter on Jul 10, 2019 21:58:37 GMT
Sitting in a bar where Motown pop and 60s soul are playing, and reflecting on how I've ever really liked these genres. I find them quite dull and uninteresting but they seem like the untouchables of music, along with reggae. But you like Genesis??!! Yeah. This could be fun. I wonder what other holy sanctified artists and genres I can be dismissive about to trigger you posting your Blakey pic and repeatedly ask for confirmation that I like Genesis. Genuinely, I'd far rather listen to Call The Shots by Girls Aloud than Respect by Aretha Franklin. |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 11, 2019 18:37:06 GMT
But you like Genesis??!! Yeah. This could be fun. I wonder what other holy sanctified artists and genres I can be dismissive about to trigger you posting your Blakey pic and repeatedly ask for confirmation that I like Genesis. Genuinely, I'd far rather listen to Call The Shots by Girls Aloud than Respect by Aretha Franklin. He he, it is a great piccy though. In fact, behind the Kenneth Williams  , it is the second greatest picture on the internet. And by quoting myself I have posted Blakey again |
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Post by Backdrifter on Jul 11, 2019 19:19:39 GMT
He he, it is a great piccy though. In fact, behind the Kenneth Williams it is the second greatest picture on the internet. And by quoting myself I have posted Blakey again I'd go with the KW as it keeps us in the music category, his of course being a music recording artist with his album On Pleasure Bent. His ditty Above All Else about lovesick computer Elsie is a delight. |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 11, 2019 19:36:40 GMT
He he, it is a great piccy though. In fact, behind the Kenneth Williams it is the second greatest picture on the internet. And by quoting myself I have posted Blakey again I'd go with the KW as it keeps us in the music category, his of course being a music recording artist with his album On Pleasure Bent. His ditty Above All Else about lovesick computer Elsie is a delight. Googling now |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2019 23:49:04 GMT
He he, it is a great piccy though. In fact, behind the Kenneth Williams it is the second greatest picture on the internet. And by quoting myself I have posted Blakey again I'd go with the KW as it keeps us in the music category, his of course being a music recording artist with his album On Pleasure Bent. His ditty Above All Else about lovesick computer Elsie is a delight. Kenneth Williams was in a few musicals and revues. One of the latter, with the perplexing name of Share My Lettuce, also starred Maggie Smith (yes, she did sing and there’s a recording). It was written by a most unexpected name, too. Bamber Gascoigne, presenter of the old University Challenge. Bonus bit of Carry On trivia, Sid James was in the original London of cast of Kiss Me Kate (one of the gangsters who sing Brush Up Your Shakespeare). |
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Post by Backdrifter on Jul 12, 2019 8:21:02 GMT
I'd go with the KW as it keeps us in the music category, his of course being a music recording artist with his album On Pleasure Bent. His ditty Above All Else about lovesick computer Elsie is a delight. Kenneth Williams was in a few musicals and revues. One of the latter, with the perplexing name of Share My Lettuce, also starred Maggie Smith (yes, she did sing and there’s a recording). It was written by a most unexpected name, too. Bamber Gascoigne, presenter of the old University Challenge. Bonus bit of Carry On trivia, Sid James was in the original London of cast of Kiss Me Kate (one of the gangsters who sing Brush Up Your Shakespeare). Yes I think BG was a former Footlights writer/performer. KW also appeared in the revue Pieces Of Eight (with Fenella Fielding) which included young unknowns Peter Cook and Harold Pinter among the writers. Buried in KW's diaries is a reference to Cook as "a very bright boy." Its sequel was One Over The Eight, written solely by Cook and featuring an early appearance of the famous One Leg Too Few sketch, and Williams playing a sort of prototype EL Wisty character. He had a seemingly very promising stage career and would get really positive reviews for his performances in weighty plays such as Saint Joan. But he seemed to quite consciously choose to go down the Carry On and TV light entertainment route despite complaining viciously in his diaries that it was all "rubbish". Mind you the early Carry Ons are good films, they hadn't yet descended into pure seaside postcard smut and Williams was often the somewhat stern character, still not yet playing to the gallery. Not sure I knew about Sid James in Kate, interesting one! |
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Post by tonyloco on Jul 12, 2019 11:18:02 GMT
Newly arrived in London from Sydney in March 1960, the very first show I saw in the West End was the revue 'Pieces of Eight' with Kenneth Williams and Fenella Fielding and brilliant it was!
I then saw a number of the plays in which KW appeared but he had a tendency to 'muck about' during some performances and it became fairly clear that he was not temperamentally suited to a career in the theatre, even in comedies.
I believe all this has been documented in books and articles but I just thought I would register that I saw it for myself first hand and I think it was the right thing that he took the 'Carry On' route rather than remain in the world of 'straight' theatre.
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Post by Backdrifter on Jul 12, 2019 13:39:46 GMT
I then saw a number of the plays in which KW appeared but he had a tendency to 'muck about' during some performances and it became fairly clear that he was not temperamentally suited to a career in the theatre, even in comedies.
I believe all this has been documented in books and articles but I just thought I would register that I saw it for myself first hand and I think it was the right thing that he took the 'Carry On' route rather than remain in the world of 'straight' theatre. Thanks, that's interesting. |
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