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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 18:33:29 GMT
Parsley, I have been on the plays panel and I agree with a lot of what you say: puzzled faces as the list came 'back' from the 'industry' as it contained stuff no one had nominated, no discussion formally and no indication of how the voting was scrutinised, but although the free tix were undeniably something, like winning the lottery, I and my fellow 'lays' and I suspect you too, had put in our time and had to show we had patronised theatre to a considerable degree. My fellow 'lays' were very knowledgeable and enthusiastic theatre goers. The winners in the plays categories have often disappeared by the time the awards come round as have the productions they were in and are never to be seen again. I think this irritated the industry because there was no way of capitalising on the publicity of the awards. This is of course very different from the film industry where an award can encourage a further release, DVD sales and internet viewings, not to mention more work for those involved. So I felt then and I do now that they look to award a show that is ongoing and so the award can be used to pull in the punters in the future publicity. This year they have certainly done that with Harry P. I haven't seen this show. I thought it was for children so I didn't book and now I can't honestly be bothered. It seems to have been well received and is no doubt a good production. But there is that teensy weensy nagging voice in the back of my mind. Agree with many of your observations I have taken 3 adults to HP They all found it intellectually stunted |
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Post by rumbledoll on Apr 10, 2017 19:18:34 GMT
Okay, my quick thoughts. Super happy for Jamie Parker. I haven't seen HP but he's probably my favourite male theatre actor and I would have loved for him to have won last year for Guys & Dolls. He's had a long career in the theatre and whether he has rode along with the Harry Potter hype or not, at least it's gone to someone who is dedicated to theatre and is a consistently brilliant actor. Totally agree on this! I stopped taking Oliviers seriously when this year's nominees were announced, but I'm happy for Jamie more than I can tell! Been following him for 5 years and he brings so much passion and hard work into theatre no matter the difficulties - must be overwhelming for him now but I'm just over the moon he got his first Larry! (though I'd prefer him winning last year too). |
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Post by stuart on Apr 10, 2017 20:41:10 GMT
Looking forward to the Hamilton Awards 2018.
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Post by Dawnstar on Apr 10, 2017 20:45:08 GMT
I'm already not looking forward to next year's Oliviers much. After several years of having to sit through Hamilton winning everything in Formula 1, the last thing I want is to have to see the same thing at the Oliviers!
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Post by mrbarnaby on Apr 10, 2017 21:16:21 GMT
Yep. Anyone not involved in Hamilton should probably stay at home next year. Except Imelda who will win 2 Best Actress awards for Virginia Woolf and Follies.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 22:02:43 GMT
Let Andrew Wright be bitter, he should of been nominated, and the fact he wasn't is a joke. I predicted him to be the overall winner before the nominations even came out. Half a Sixpence got seriously snubbed in at least two catagories with nominations. 'Should have,' not 'should of.' You need to be mindful of that one. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 1:46:30 GMT
Let Andrew Wright be bitter, he should of been nominated, and the fact he wasn't is a joke. I predicted him to be the overall winner before the nominations even came out. Half a Sixpence got seriously snubbed in at least two catagories with nominations. 'Should have,' not 'should of.' You need to be mindful of that one. I understand you're just trying to correct my grammar so don't feel I am directing this at you personally, but it annoys me when grammar gets picked up on so much, to a point where it makes people feel like crap for not getting the smallest thing right. I went to school, clearly I didn't do well. But I'm an adult, and as long as generally speaking people understand what I am saying, I couldn't care less if I get the odd wording here or there wrong. But I don't want to and shouldn't be made to feel like crap for that. Again, don't feel this is aimed at you personally, just having a rant haha. On that point, I know there are one or two specific grammar police in the admin (and they know who they are) who complain about it alot on here. You guys have the power to edit posts, if it bothers you that much, just edit the damn thing, I wouldn't noticeid you edited mine at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 8:31:21 GMT
'Should have,' not 'should of.' You need to be mindful of that one. I understand you're just trying to correct my grammar so don't feel I am directing this at you personally, but it annoys me when grammar gets picked up on so much, to a point where it makes people feel like crap for not getting the smallest thing right. I went to school, clearly I didn't do well. But I'm an adult, and as long as generally speaking people understand what I am saying, I couldn't care less if I get the odd wording here or there wrong. But I don't want to and shouldn't be made to feel like crap for that. Again, don't feel this is aimed at you personally, just having a rant haha. On that point, I know there are one or two specific grammar police in the admin (and they know who they are) who complain about it alot on here. You guys have the power to edit posts, if it bothers you that much, just edit the damn thing, I wouldn't noticeid you edited mine at all. The internet - where people like to feel superior and people like to feel the victim. My suggestion? Have it out West Side Story style at the next forum meet up! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 8:33:26 GMT
Better thank having it out Sweeney Todd style eh MrsL?  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 8:40:46 GMT
The internet - where people like to feel superior and people like to feel the victim. My suggestion? Have it out West Side Story style at the next forum meet up! Settle all arguments with a dance-off. I would approve, except I have all the dance skills of a sack of slugs. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 9:23:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 11:25:16 GMT
I love you all. Spelling and grammar are important, though. X
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 11:31:09 GMT
I love you all. Spelling and grammar are important, though. X Important yes, but not always needed to be picked up on, especially on a public forum. But I love you too and know you meant no harm.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 11:42:20 GMT
I love you all. Spelling and grammar are important, though. X And vocabulary, have course. |
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Post by Hamilton Addict on Apr 11, 2017 13:09:19 GMT
How did an awards thread turn into an argument about spelling and grammar?  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 13:13:57 GMT
Welcome to the internet, I guess! Wherever there are people communicating via the written word, there'll always be a few people pointing out errors rather than making actual contributions to the discussion. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 13:25:26 GMT
Not an arguement at all, just a discussion. |
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Post by Snciole on Apr 11, 2017 14:45:15 GMT
Let Andrew Wright be bitter, he should of been nominated, and the fact he wasn't is a joke. I predicted him to be the overall winner before the nominations even came out. Half a Sixpence got seriously snubbed in at least two catagories with nominations. Hardly. No-one is entitled to a nomination. It's rather childish to thank people for their "support" in this tough time. He needs to get over himself! He's been nominated before, and I'm sure he'll get nominated again. To be so vocally disappointed is wholly ungracious and rather insulting to the other nominees. As for Sixpence not being invited to perform - of course it wasn't invited. It wasn't nominated! He blocked me on Twitter, for no reason whatsoever* so I am glad he wasn't nominated. The all-white controversy meant this was never going to Half a Sixpence's year. SOLT do not want #olivierssowhite trending and the choice in winners reflects that they were aiming for a very diverse show this year, whether they chose the right winners as a result is debatable. *I am kind of annoying but I genuinely know eff all about choreography to have slagged him off so... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 14:55:19 GMT
I do wish we could live in a world where people don't feel the need to speculate every time a person of colour wins an award over whether they deserve it or whether it was done because of diversity measures. Sometimes they do genuinely create excellent work and deserve it folks!
Everyone that votes for awards has their own reasons and the likelihood that everyone that voted for Amber or Adam or Noma did so because they want to prove the Oliviers are diverse is pretty minimal.
To be blunt, the Oliviers aren't the Oscars. They're not even the Tonys. Any controversy over white nominees or winners would be pretty minimal and likely only acknowledged in theatre circles.
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Post by Snciole on Apr 11, 2017 15:38:06 GMT
I do wish we could live in a world where people don't feel the need to speculate every time a person of colour wins an award over whether they deserve it or whether it was done because of diversity measures. Sometimes they do genuinely create excellent work and deserve it folks! Everyone that votes for awards has their own reasons and the likelihood that everyone that voted for Amber or Adam or Noma did so because they want to prove the Oliviers are diverse is pretty minimal. To be blunt, the Oliviers aren't the Oscars. They're not even the Tonys. Any controversy over white nominees or winners would be pretty minimal and likely only acknowledged in theatre circles. I love Noma so will never doubt her ability to win anything and I haven't seen the other two, though the impression I got from some was that Amber is the new Martine McCutcheon I think Oliviers are right to acknowledge BME performers, with shows like Motown, Kinky Boots and Dreamgirls in the running but equally as good as Half a Sixpence is it was always going to be judged for not being diverse enough. I was one of many who wrote about the sudden but subtle emergence of all white, large cast shows (Promises, Promises was another) and it made people very uncomfortable because they had got used to seeing diverse and colour blind productions. I suspect Oliviers didn't want to be subject to an article from The Stage et al if it awarded Half a Sixpence anything. TL, DR; Politics, it is all politics. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 15:45:28 GMT
Hardly. No-one is entitled to a nomination. It's rather childish to thank people for their "support" in this tough time. He needs to get over himself! He's been nominated before, and I'm sure he'll get nominated again. To be so vocally disappointed is wholly ungracious and rather insulting to the other nominees. As for Sixpence not being invited to perform - of course it wasn't invited. It wasn't nominated! He blocked me on Twitter, for no reason whatsoever* so I am glad he wasn't nominated. The all-white controversy meant this was never going to Half a Sixpence's year. SOLT do not want #olivierssowhite trending and the choice in winners reflects that they were aiming for a very diverse show this year, whether they chose the right winners as a result is debatable. *I am kind of annoying but I genuinely know eff all about choreography to have slagged him off so... Sixpence's "snub" had nothing to do with the casting controversy. The show isn't good enough and SOLT voters did not enjoy it. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 15:46:13 GMT
I do wish we could live in a world where people don't feel the need to speculate every time a person of colour wins an award over whether they deserve it or whether it was done because of diversity measures. Sometimes they do genuinely create excellent work and deserve it folks! Everyone that votes for awards has their own reasons and the likelihood that everyone that voted for Amber or Adam or Noma did so because they want to prove the Oliviers are diverse is pretty minimal. To be blunt, the Oliviers aren't the Oscars. They're not even the Tonys. Any controversy over white nominees or winners would be pretty minimal and likely only acknowledged in theatre circles. I love Noma so will never doubt her ability to win anything and I haven't seen the other two, though the impression I got from some was that Amber is the new Martine McCutcheon I think Oliviers are right to acknowledge BME performers, with shows like Motown, Kinky Boots and Dreamgirls in the running but equally as good as Half a Sixpence is it was always going to be judged for not being diverse enough. I was one of many who wrote about the sudden but subtle emergence of all white, large cast shows (Promises, Promises was another) and it made people very uncomfortable because they had got used to seeing diverse and colour blind productions. I suspect Oliviers didn't want to be subject to an article from The Stage et al if it awarded Half a Sixpence anything. TL, DR; Politics, it is all politics. I'm just not sure that the specific snubs that people are mainly referring to would be a natural occurence stemming from the lack of diversity. The two main complaints Sixpence fans have is that the choreographer didn't get nominated and Charlie Stemp didn't win. Why would they punish the choreographer or Charlie, both of whom I assume had nothing to do with casting? And it's not like Charlie's award didn't go to another white man. |
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Post by djp on Apr 11, 2017 15:51:07 GMT
These awards are increasingly meaningless these days. Certainly I am not in favour of "spreading the awards around" - if one particular production deserves to sweep the board - so be it. I have not seen the Harry Potter play so cannot comment on this specifically. However, what I will say is, it seems that if a production (or film)takes off - it just runs away with everything - La La Land is another recent example. So if you are lucky enough to be involved in the trendy thing at the moment you win, even if you are just sweeping the stage. I suspect it will be the same with Hamilton next year - all the cast and creatives will get nominated and win. Everyone else might as well not turn up! It is ridiculous really! Awards made by a few luvvies will tend to follow a pattern - a few genuinely stand out performances, a gong for the top stablished luvvie who plays every role the same ,a nomination for any returning super luvvie, a bit of ethnic diverity to avoid bad press, ,and a veto for anything where there's some issue thats publically known about- regardless of whatever happened brilliantly, and who else was off more.. Something that looks trendy and PC, will get a gong, even if there's already been about 5 musicals on recently, doing the same thing, tapping the same small talent pool.Then you add the compulsory show hardly anyone saw to show you are with it, and dedicated. . And if someone else is pencilled in for a win in a competitive category, a big show is likely to get a nod for someone else- even if they only appear for a few minutes. Awards by the public of course depend on fan base, organised support, there not being two candidates from the same show , where its on ,and how many people saw it. We might as well all give our own medals - so - Billie - yes, yes, yes - Glenn for something truly putstanding ,and they should have forgotten the nudity issue, and awarded Ian and Emma the musical awards last year- for Mrs Henderson, not for trying their best - with what little the writers give anyone to do in half a sixpence. |
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Post by Snciole on Apr 11, 2017 15:52:26 GMT
The problem is Half a Sixpence has had constant reviews saying how amazing it is from (sycophantic) critics. Of course, it expected not only to be nominated for everything but to win a lot as well. There is a sense of entitlement and who can blame them but as I said before I can't help but feel the controversy surrounding the show didn't help it when it came to the Oliviers plus the fact people thought other shows were better |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 16:22:28 GMT
How did an awards thread turn into an argument about spelling and grammar? It's more remarkable that it managed to stay on topic for so long. |
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