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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 14, 2018 22:30:56 GMT
Thanks I enjoyed both those, the second one worked more so for me.
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Post by Dave25 on Mar 14, 2018 22:55:20 GMT
It's always so cool and interesting to hear different voices/languages.
There is this Dutch lady who I think is magnificent, who did the voice of Cinderella and was also Christine in The Phantom of the Opera. I think everything she does is better than the English original.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Mar 15, 2018 8:10:30 GMT
Interesting thread. I didn't know EP had started to play foreign cast recordings. I have many, many recordings of Superstar in different languages. I suppose what makes a single recording or track stand out for me, when I don't understand any of the language, are the orchestrations. Some of these are completely different from the original. I used to collect all the Les Mis recordings (from Dress Circle) but stopped a few years ago. Most of the orchestrations sound very similar, with the sound engineer doing most of the work to make them sound different. (The Korean version is the exception, sounding like an old Music For Pleasure recording!) However, there are one of two stand out recordings- the French cast sound just gorgeous, and being able to understand a bit of what they're singing makes for an interesting experience. (No tigers but wolves in I Dreamed a Dream, a more appropriate image...) And the fabulous Tommy Korberg is the best Valjean after our own Colm Wilkinson. His version of Bring Him Home is sublime! If you have an original pressed CD copy of the Korean Les Miserables hang on to it, it’s worth a lot. Cam Mack hadn’t authorised it and ordered copies to be destroyed but some had leaked out. I paid three figures on ebay nearly twenty years ago and I haven’t seen a copy since. Korea has got its act together now but the Korean Evita is famously awful, the orchestra and singers sound like they only have a passing acquaintance and veer wildly out of sync at times. Some of the singers also have only a vague belief that singing the right note is a useful approach. I have some real obscurities in my collection, one that I tracked down by emailing the translator is Oliver in Frisian. For our non Dutch or German friends, that’s a language grouping from the areas bordering the North Sea that is purportedly the closest to English in spelling and grammar.
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Post by viserys on Mar 15, 2018 9:39:44 GMT
Interesting thread. I didn't know EP had started to play foreign cast recordings. I have many, many recordings of Superstar in different languages. I suppose what makes a single recording or track stand out for me, when I don't understand any of the language, are the orchestrations. Some of these are completely different from the original. I used to collect all the Les Mis recordings (from Dress Circle) but stopped a few years ago. Most of the orchestrations sound very similar, with the sound engineer doing most of the work to make them sound different. (The Korean version is the exception, sounding like an old Music For Pleasure recording!) However, there are one of two stand out recordings- the French cast sound just gorgeous, and being able to understand a bit of what they're singing makes for an interesting experience. (No tigers but wolves in I Dreamed a Dream, a more appropriate image...) And the fabulous Tommy Korberg is the best Valjean after our own Colm Wilkinson. His version of Bring Him Home is sublime! If you have an original pressed CD copy of the Korean Les Miserables hang on to it, it’s worth a lot. Cam Mack hadn’t authorised it and ordered copies to be destroyed but some had leaked out. I paid three figures on ebay nearly twenty years ago and I haven’t seen a copy since. Korea has got its act together now but the Korean Evita is famously awful, the orchestra and singers sound like they only have a passing acquaintance and veer wildly out of sync at times. Some of the singers also have only a vague belief that singing the right note is a useful approach. I have some real obscurities in my collection, one that I tracked down by emailing the translator is Oliver in Frisian. For our non Dutch or German friends, that’s a language grouping from the areas bordering the North Sea that is purportedly the closest to English in spelling and grammar. I used to collect foreign language recordings of favorite shows way back in the 90s, too. One of my biggest prides is an original (rare) cassette of the Norwegian production of Cats. In terms of obscure dialects, I own the recording of "Little Shop of Horrors" in our local dialect (Kölsch/Colognian) that was also done around the time. I find that it actually makes the characters come more alive, as most people will speak with at least a slight dialect and not the godawful stiff formal German that has been ruining shows, TV and movies for me for many years.
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Post by Baemax on Mar 15, 2018 9:59:13 GMT
I have Les Mis in French and Japanese. I think my Japanese one is the green cast, but I'd love to get hold of the purple one if only for Maaya Sakamoto's Eponine.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 10:13:15 GMT
It is a massive shame the theatre fire prevented much occurring with the french production of The Phantom of the Opera. I sat next to the chap who had worked with Charles Hart on translating the entire musical at the 30th Anniversary in London, who's work seemingly went to waste on a project that never completed. Sierra Bogess sang part of Wishing You were Somehow Here Again in French and it felt really natural to hear a French set musical translated into its home language.
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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 15, 2018 12:41:29 GMT
I didn’t realise they adapt the orchestrations for foreign translations, as pointed out on here.
Lyrics are really just poems to music, although not strictly, verses have to rhyme. so once the lyrics go through the process of translation, this must get lost, so wonder how it still sounds beautiful?
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Post by viserys on Mar 15, 2018 12:59:29 GMT
It really depends on the quality of the translators. We've had a few good ones across the years who managed to create their own poetry in translation. The most-quoted (and indeed good) example is Michael Kunze's translation of Sunset Boulevard, where he turned "We taught the world new ways to dream" into "We gave the world dreams made of light" in German.
We've also had a few terrible ones. I still believe that the first production of "Rent" in Germany flopped so badly at least party because the translation was so shoddy and the characters were singing nonsense. The same translator had also made a mess of Miss Saigon before that. For example he couldn't find a rhyme to "Traum" (Dream), so he created a "laugh light as foam" (Schaum) go with it and that's nothing anyone would ever say.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 14:13:29 GMT
Interesting thread. I didn't know EP had started to play foreign cast recordings. I have many, many recordings of Superstar in different languages. I suppose what makes a single recording or track stand out for me, when I don't understand any of the language, are the orchestrations. Some of these are completely different from the original. I used to collect all the Les Mis recordings (from Dress Circle) but stopped a few years ago. Most of the orchestrations sound very similar, with the sound engineer doing most of the work to make them sound different. (The Korean version is the exception, sounding like an old Music For Pleasure recording!) However, there are one of two stand out recordings- the French cast sound just gorgeous, and being able to understand a bit of what they're singing makes for an interesting experience. (No tigers but wolves in I Dreamed a Dream, a more appropriate image...) And the fabulous Tommy Korberg is the best Valjean after our own Colm Wilkinson. His version of Bring Him Home is sublime! If you have an original pressed CD copy of the Korean Les Miserables hang on to it, it’s worth a lot. Cam Mack hadn’t authorised it and ordered copies to be destroyed but some had leaked out. I paid three figures on ebay nearly twenty years ago and I haven’t seen a copy since.Yes, I do! And here it is, in pristine condition, played only once. Once was enough. So if there are any takers... I was aware that Cam Mack had recalled them all, but I didn’t know they were so prized! Inside the CD notes I’ve found a compliment slip from Dress Circle stating that this is the second copy they’d sent to me (I obviously bought it via their catalogue!) and it would appear that the first copy never arrived. So somewhere out there there’ll be another one...!
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Post by TallPaul on Mar 15, 2018 14:30:28 GMT
I could be wrong but the Wicked track is possibly German as there's no Dutch cast recording. Although I don't speak German or Dutch (or English before any of my so-called friends jump in), I know the difference between the two, and it was definitely Dutch.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 15, 2018 15:24:35 GMT
The original French cast recording of Les Mis is hilariously dated. But a great introduction to the history of the score.
I once heard Prima Donna from Phantom sung in Spanish and it sounded even more like a big operatic ensemble - was v impressed
Might have been the Mexican cast:
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Post by Phantom of London on Jan 2, 2019 17:00:13 GMT
I am like some on here listen to the Elaine Paige Show on the station of the nation, breaks up a mundane commute and has all my old and new favourites on there, it also forces me to listen to songs, I wouldn't ordinarily listen to and have found some little gems on there.
However the show for 30th December I am having problems downloading, I have emailed the beeb and still having grief, anyone else going through the same difficulties?
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Post by alece10 on Jan 2, 2019 18:21:40 GMT
Is that the one looking back on 2018? I downloaded it and listened to it yesterday.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jan 2, 2019 20:22:14 GMT
Thanks for that, yes it is the one that looks back to 2018.
Just looked in the BBC FAQ as still having problems and they are aware of the issue and advise to re-install BBC Radio Player.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jan 2, 2019 21:41:35 GMT
That worked, so if anyone else is having grief.
But don't mention Moby Dick!!!!
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Post by hulmeman on Jan 4, 2019 16:14:34 GMT
But don't mention Moby Dick!!!! Trouble downloading the Michael Ball show too, then? Oh theatremonkey, it has been nice knowing you. You do realise that having made that post likening St Michael to a whale, there will be geruilla factions of the Ballettes plotting your demise over a cup of decaff coffee and a slice of wheat free sponge.
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Post by hulmeman on Jan 5, 2019 10:20:41 GMT
Kind of you to be concerned for my welfare hulmeman , but I haven't made any such connection. I was only enquiring whether there was an issue downloading the show before Ms Paige's. Tis you who could now be in trouble, my friend . Any Ballettes reading this: this is the logic to follow, OK. Fine words butter no parsnips my love.
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Post by TallPaul on Jan 5, 2019 18:34:26 GMT
What about buttered bananas? And should they be buttered before peeling, or after?
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Post by Dawnstar on Jan 5, 2019 20:12:35 GMT
^Does that imply that you've experimented with buttering bananas in order to know if removes the flavour? Actually, removing the flavour might make bananas acceptable to me, except that I don't like the taste of butter either.
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Post by justsaying113 on Jan 5, 2020 21:27:07 GMT
I appreciate her theatrical career (in the UK at least) has been dormant for the best part of 15 years - and that the UK honours system is bizarre to say the least - but it seems a real shame Elaine Paige hasn't been recognised for her services to charity and arts education. She supports nine UK charities including one - for brain damaged children and their families - for which she's been an active ambassador for four decades. She's also supported Arts Educational, Chicken Shed, the Theatre Royal Haymarket's Masterclass Programme, and LIPA amongst many others.
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Post by schuttep on Jan 6, 2020 10:48:02 GMT
I appreciate her theatrical career (in the UK at least) has been dormant for the best part of 15 years - and that the UK honours system is bizarre to say the least - but it seems a real shame Elaine Paige hasn't been recognised for her services to charity and arts education. She supports nine UK charities including one - for brain damaged children and their families - for which she's been an active ambassador for four decades. She's also supported Arts Educational, Chicken Shed, the Theatre Royal Haymarket's Masterclass Programme, and LIPA amongst many others. She has an OBE. But it can't be long before she's Dame Elaine...
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 6, 2020 12:54:40 GMT
My favourite banana recipe is a dark rye Ryvita, generously buttered on the dimpled side, with banana mashed on top. Half a banana per cracker is the correct ratio. It’s delicious but because of the Ryvita you feel ok about it.
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Post by TallPaul on Jan 6, 2020 13:56:39 GMT
My favourite banana recipe is a dark rye Ryvita, generously buttered on the dimpled side, with banana mashed on top. Half a banana per cracker is the correct ratio. It’s delicious but because of the Ryvita you feel ok about it. Another fascinating insight into life at BurlyBeaR's luxury loft apartment, but surely intended as a DM to @theatremonkey? 🙂
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 6, 2020 16:23:28 GMT
I enjoy giving you a tiny peek into how we live life to the max here in Manchester TallPaul. As a tiny cub I remember Nanny Bear telling me how someone who had never seen a banana ate one, and DIED. This happened in Sheffield, which reduces the shock factor somewhat. Thank god it wasn’t a Dragon Fruit or something.
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Post by hulmeman on Jan 6, 2020 23:12:08 GMT
Only on this board is it a short hop from an honour for EP to a banana based cracker snack!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 23:54:29 GMT
Elaine was made an OBE 25 years ago this year, I agree that surely an upgrade to CBE or Damehood is due. Likewise Pet Clarks' Damehood is even more overdue.
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Post by justsaying113 on Jan 8, 2020 10:43:54 GMT
Agree entirely Brexiteer about Petula Clark - and the other bizarre omission is Tommy Steele - but the Honours system is an odd one, hence the understandable view held by some that the whole thing should be scrapped. And I don't see (as wonderful as they are) why the likes of Angela Lansbury and Julie Andrews were honoured when they've not lived in the country or contributed to it in decades! Happy New Year!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 15:48:50 GMT
Angela had never been honoured and received her Damehood for her career body of work and was older than Pet is now when she got her honour.
Nearly all our Oscar winners get some gong so Dame Julie was recognised for this and for her overall career and charity work.
Tommy Steele had an OBE about 40 years go but I agree a further honour may be overdue.
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Post by couldileaveyou on May 7, 2020 18:29:39 GMT
legends only
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Post by alece10 on May 7, 2020 19:41:05 GMT
Brilliant. That's the best laugh I've had in ages.
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