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Post by Phantom of London on Aug 24, 2018 0:10:09 GMT
I didn’t see this (unfortunately) as I was too young, 14 and still in secondary school.
So wondering what lucky board members saw this? Was it hard to get tickets? Was there hype? Was it positive? Did it meet your expectations? What did you think of Michael Crawford playing the lead role before you went? Did your opinion change once you saw him?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 10:41:09 GMT
I was a similar age to you when the show opened. There had been hype as there had been a couple of singles released from the show which had been top 10 hits. ALW was at his peak after the Tim Rice years and with Starlight and Cats running and people awaited his next project. These shows weren't that far apart especially as Phantom was such a big staging. There were the jokes about Sarah getting the lead as she was Mrs ALW. To a lot of the public Michael Crawford was still seen as Frank Spencer but he was an established musical and stage performer long before that and had come off a hugely successful Olivier Award winning run as Barnum. But people were still surprised to hear him singing as the Phantom and for him to be in a dark brooding role given his previous well known roles.
The press reviews were positive and the Cast Album sold very well. I would imagine getting a ticket in the Crawford/Brightman era would have been hard.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 15:57:03 GMT
I saw Michael Crawford but not SB - think it was Clare Moore. I was pretty young - maybe 12. I loved it - had a massive crush on Michael Crawford throughout my teens as a result. In fact, it's probably the source of my older man fetish, which continues to this day. His performance was electrifying and 1000% extra compared to the cast recording.
As an adult I have many problems with Phantom of the Opera but as a hormonal near-teenager, I sucked it up whole.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 16:04:07 GMT
I didn't see them (FAR too young dahlink) but I do remember hearing that Frank Spencer was a bit of a diva and that members of the chorus used to say that when Miss Crawford was unhappy, *everyone* was unhappy. Was that in that documentary many moons ago?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 16:21:46 GMT
I can remember the documentary Ryan is referring to - might have been 20th anniversary of show or something to do with ALW. Michael Crawford was known as Joan Crawford behind the scenes and in full costume and in a temper was fairly scary for some backstage personnel. Michael I think was a bit of a perfectionist and had to do everything to the greatest of his ability - his stunt work as Frank, learning the circus skills for Barnum, displaying an previously unheard of vocal range for Phantom etc.
Was it an urban myth that "Love Changes Everything" was in Phantom for Raoul to sing but Michael wanted the Phantom to sing it so ALW just removed the song from the show?
Michael was certainly paid a box office percentage to tempt him into the role - the actual percentage was very small but I believe it is still earning for him and has been one of the major reasons he is a multi millionaire now.
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Post by musicallady on Aug 24, 2018 17:58:28 GMT
I saw Maria Kesselman as Christine and she’s the best Christine I have ever seen.
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Post by Phantom of London on Aug 24, 2018 23:34:22 GMT
Michael was certainly paid a box office percentage to tempt him into the role - the actual percentage was very small but I believe it is still earning for him and has been one of the major reasons he is a multi millionaire now. Good point raised I always assumed that a big star who originates a role in a musical would get a box office percentage, think Idina Mendel and Kristin Chenoweth for Wicked, Andrew Rannells and Josh Gad for Book of Mormon, Ben Platt For Dear Evan Hansen and Colm Wilkinson For Les Miserable etc, would have all got a box office percentage and when the show recoups it goes through the process of amortization where the profit share for the investors goes down and the share up for creatives and star actors as a thank you. Michael Crawford and Sarah Brightman May have earned a small percentage of the box office but bare in mind The Phantom of the Opera May have had 10 companies out around the world, there were 5 companies out in North America alone. Add that to paid televisions appearances, concerts and fan conventions it is all a nice little earner and as you say why they are multi millionaires and also have a gold plated pension. Charles Hart also hasn’t done too bad, given it was one of his first musical (he was unknown at the time, apart from Richard Stilgoe) and he has virtually taken early retirement ever since - that Oxbridge education went to waste!!!
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Post by bimse on Aug 25, 2018 7:43:39 GMT
Michael was certainly paid a box office percentage to tempt him into the role - the actual percentage was very small but I believe it is still earning for him and has been one of the major reasons he is a multi millionaire now. Good point raised I always assumed that a big star who originates a role in a musical would get a box office percentage, think Idina Mendel and Kristin Chenoweth for Wicked, Andrew Rannells and Josh Gad for Book of Mormon, Ben Platt For Dear Evan Hansen and Colm Wilkinson For Les Miserable etc, would have all got a box office percentage and when the show recoups it goes through the process of amortization where the profit share for the investors goes down and the share up for creatives and star actors as a thank you. Michael Crawford and Sarah Brightman May have earned a small percentage of the box office but bare in mind The Phantom of the Opera May have had 10 companies out around the world, there were 5 companies out in North America alone. Add that to paid televisions appearances, concerts and fan conventions it is all a nice little earner and as you say why they are multi millionaires and also have a gold plated pension. Charles Hart also hasn’t done too bad, given it was one of his first musical (he was unknown at the time, apart from Richard Stilgoe) and he has virtually taken early retirement ever since - that Oxbridge education went to waste!!! Interesting that Michael Crawford will still be getting a box office percentage from Phantom , that was one very astute negotiation . I have never assumed that an actor who originated a role would automatically be on a percentage of the box office , I always understood this was just for the big names to negotiate to get them to take the role in the first place, such as Bette Middler in Hello Dolly. Some of the names mentioned in the quote above would not (at least in their early careers) be big enough names to be able to negotiate a box office percentage , and certainly not for life , unless I’m mistaken . I read that John Barrowman was , at least at one time, on a box office percentage for his pantomime appearances . But going back to the original question , when Phantom was first produced, there was no internet booking of course. My brother, who didn’t live anywhere near London , somehow got tickets for our mum and her friends to see Michael Crawford and Sarah Brightman . He’s sadly not around for me to ask, but I think he will have phoned the box office , and would need to be patient in trying to get through . In fact they enjoyed the show so much , they got autographs at the stage door (I now have the programmes), and actually went back at least twice more to see the show again, courtesy of my brother . My mum still talks about Michael Crawford in Phantom to this day, and how David got her tickets.
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Post by ali973 on Aug 25, 2018 7:53:37 GMT
That's a very nice story and a great memory of your brother, bimse. Thank you for sharing.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Aug 25, 2018 9:56:15 GMT
I remember, in the late 80s, going to WHSmiths and buying my parents tickets to see Les Mis for £7 each. They ran a box office agency service through their then in-store travel agency. So perhaps that is how bimse's brother did it back then? For those not in London, this sort of arrangement was a common way of securing tickets. You paid your money and then a few weeks later, you went and collected the paper tickets! Oh how old fashioned...
I remember there being a buzz around the Phantom cast recording when it was released. After the success of the singles (even though now they sound remarkably poor), there really was something special about it as a project.
Part of it was the press being cheeky about the relationship between the pretty young soprano and the composer with an 'interesting' face. Part of it was certainly curiosity about how Crawford would do in the role. I had seen him as Barnum and so knew him as more than Frank Spencer. There was also, if I am not mistaken, talk over whether the production was cursed because of problems in the run up to opening night.
But there was certainly awareness of the project that reached out beyond the in-crowd.
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Post by karloscar on Aug 25, 2018 11:47:11 GMT
Miss Crawford may have been the diva, but miss Brightman was a close second. She made a very quick recovery when she was feeling poorly in previews and Claire Moore went on with next to no rehearsals and outshone her in every way.
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Post by bimse on Aug 25, 2018 13:00:26 GMT
That's a very nice story and a great memory of your brother, bimse . Thank you for sharing. Thank you ali973, that’s very kind of you to say so. I have many happy memories of theatre going with my brother, he loved many aspects of the performing arts .
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Post by bimse on Aug 25, 2018 13:20:39 GMT
Miss Crawford may have been the diva, but miss Brightman was a close second. She made a very quick recovery when she was feeling poorly in previews and Claire Moore went on with next to no rehearsals and outshone her in every way. The only time I saw Phantom in London, Claire Moore was on, and I agree with karloscar she was wonderful. It’s one of very few times I “stage doored” and Claire Moore was very kind to everyone, having a chat when I told her I worked in her home town of Bolton. Incidentally Dave Willets was the Phantom, and I admired him and all the cast members for their patience and generosity giving their own time to make the show even more memorable for their audience . I remember one audience member at the stage door, an older lady wearing a black Phantom type cape. She had seen the show a great number of times, and took it on herself to helpfully advise the waiting crowd who was who as they came out. She said she used to wear more Phantom gear when she saw the show, but the management had asked her not to. Maybe her hat spoiled the view of those behind her, or the management didn’t want a trend setting , like the Rocky Horror Show. Anyone else remember this lady? Perhaps she’s a board member?
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Post by bimse on Aug 25, 2018 13:32:20 GMT
I remember, in the late 80s, going to WHSmiths and buying my parents tickets to see Les Mis for £7 each. They ran a box office agency service through their then in-store travel agency. So perhaps that is how bimse's brother did it back then? For those not in London, this sort of arrangement was a common way of securing tickets. You paid your money and then a few weeks later, you went and collected the paper tickets! Oh how old fashioned... I remember there being a buzz around the Phantom cast recording when it was released. After the success of the singles (even though now they sound remarkably poor), there really was something special about it as a project. Part of it was the press being cheeky about the relationship between the pretty young soprano and the composer with an 'interesting' face. Part of it was certainly curiosity about how Crawford would do in the role. I had seen him as Barnum and so knew him as more than Frank Spencer. There was also, if I am not mistaken, talk over whether the production was cursed because of problems in the run up to opening night. But there was certainly awareness of the project that reached out beyond the in-crowd. Good point oxfordsimon, but I don’t remember our local WH Smith having a box office or travel agency, I’m sure he got tickets direct from the theatre box office , but I don’t think he had a credit card or cheque book back then , so not sure where he got the tickets or how he paid. Seems so easy now, with online booking, even print your tickets at home.... btw apologies if I’ve gone off subject here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 14:31:30 GMT
The local Odeon Cinema used to sell tickets for various venues and there would be telephone booking etc.
As regards percentages - big name would hopefully deliver a full house so the producers may be more inclined to offer this than a flat larger fee as it gives them a bit of insurance against lower than expected ticket sales.
Michael Crawford had been paid 10K an episode to reprise Frank Spencer for a 3rd series in 1978 and probably got a very good deal for Barnum so his Phantom fee would have been high especially as he was a late replacement. His Box Office percentage would certainly have run when he was in the company, if it still does he did a great deal and if it covers all worldwide productions even better.
Does anyone know what the highest rate paid to a West End star has been - Nathan Lane was on a rumored 50K a week for The Producers is about the highest I've heard of.
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Post by ali973 on Aug 25, 2018 15:37:59 GMT
Miss Crawford may have been the diva, but miss Brightman was a close second. She made a very quick recovery when she was feeling poorly in previews and Claire Moore went on with next to no rehearsals and outshone her in every way. ...or maybe she just recovered and went back to work as any professional would? On another note, Claire Moore is my favorite Christine. Her voice was just spectacular in Phantom. Her soprano notes were so strong and pure, and yet there was something very contemporary about the way she sang the lower notes.
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Post by ali973 on Aug 25, 2018 15:40:32 GMT
Miss Crawford may have been the diva, but miss Brightman was a close second. She made a very quick recovery when she was feeling poorly in previews and Claire Moore went on with next to no rehearsals and outshone her in every way. The only time I saw Phantom in London, Claire Moore was on, and I agree with karloscar she was wonderful. It’s one of very few times I “stage doored” and Claire Moore was very kind to everyone, having a chat when I told her I worked in her home town of Bolton. Incidentally Dave Willets was the Phantom, and I admired him and all the cast members for their patience and generosity giving their own time to make the show even more memorable for their audience . I remember one audience member at the stage door, an older lady wearing a black Phantom type cape. She had seen the show a great number of times, and took it on herself to helpfully advise the waiting crowd who was who as they came out. She said she used to wear more Phantom gear when she saw the show, but the management had asked her not to. Maybe her hat spoiled the view of those behind her, or the management didn’t want a trend setting , like the Rocky Horror Show. Anyone else remember this lady? Perhaps she’s a board member? You guys remember the woman who changed her name to Christine Daae? What happened to her? Or the Phantom Appreciation Society? Phans? Intense Phantom Phanning of the '90s was so delicious, intense and weird.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 20:10:22 GMT
Dave Willets certainly had some hardcore fans as I remember.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 22:03:28 GMT
You guys remember the woman who changed her name to Christine Daae? What happened to her? Or the Phantom Appreciation Society? Phans? Intense Phantom Phanning of the '90s was so delicious, intense and weird. Yes, I remember her. But have no idea what happened to her. The Phantom Appreciation Society and email mailing lists of the 90s were intense, but the fan fiction was always a fascinating read. I also remember Miss Saigon attracting some hardcore fans on those mailing lists.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 27, 2018 10:26:36 GMT
Miss Crawford may have been the diva, but miss Brightman was a close second. She made a very quick recovery when she was feeling poorly in previews and Claire Moore went on with next to no rehearsals and outshone her in every way. ...or maybe she just recovered and went back to work as any professional would? That anecdote was recounted by a couple of members of the corps de ballet in the documentary about POTO which is on YouTube. Not THE most reliable source (as it wasn’t from either of the actresses concerned) but close enough to be given more credence than idle speculation in the press, perhaps.
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Post by karloscar on Aug 28, 2018 8:52:06 GMT
I'd heard the story from other sources too, and although Christine hardly demands the acting chops of Dame Judi, Claire is by far the better actress. Similarly when she was standby for EP in The King and I, she was much more believable in the role, and sang it better too.
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Post by macksennett on Aug 28, 2018 10:07:06 GMT
I saw Claire in The King and I and she was a fabulous Anna. Love her voice and her recent stint in The Girls proved she’s still got it!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 18:12:21 GMT
They're probably jealous because The Lord didn't write a musical for them.
And probably because they haven't made enough money to be able to afford to go to space.
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