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Post by Backdrifter on Oct 15, 2018 11:21:14 GMT
I still shudder when I think of the A level group I took to see Crimp's 'Cruel and Tender' at the Young Vic. That was grim to the max. Yes that was appalling. It did feel like a form of theatrical torture. I still shudder when I think back to the KM-directed Crimp play Attempts On Her Life, at the Lyttleton in 2007. It was one of the five worst evenings at the theatre I've experienced. It reminded me of Vulva's play in an episode of Spaced. It was as though KM had imagined what people who hate theatre think of when they want to condemn "experimental" theatre as being a load of pretentious luvvies arsing about, then intentionally staged that. Two months later I saw Crimp's version of Brecht's The Jewish Wife, directed by Mitchell at the Young Vic, and it was excellent. It demonstrated the opposite extreme of her work, when she abandons her formulaic trademarks and keeps things minimal and focused. As per her aforementioned Rutherford & Son in the Cottesloe (1994-ish?), a superb and engrossing production. I've only just come to this thread and it's been interesting and amusing going through the posts. Is anyone going, or wanting to go, purely because they think she's beautiful? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 12:27:36 GMT
One of the best production/play combos that I've seen and, with Cleansed, two productions of the best contemporary texts that show Katie Mitchell to be among our very best directors.
Different strokes and all that.
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Post by Backdrifter on Oct 15, 2018 13:49:15 GMT
One of the best production/play combos that I've seen and, with Cleansed, two productions of the best contemporary texts that show Katie Mitchell to be among our very best directors.
Different strokes and all that.
The quotes aren't showing up but I assume you mean C&T and AOHL? Certainly the latter was indeed very divisive as I recall, with little or no middle ground. The pattern I've had with KM is I've really enjoyed her work when she's at her most restrained and relatively trope-free. I meant to say earlier, I'm with those who think the title of this play is really stupidly annoying. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 13:52:04 GMT
Isn't it just an AWFUL title? It already sounds like the kind of pretentious nonsense that convinces the non-regular theatre-goer that theatre really is as incomprehensible and inaccessible as they fear it is, and that's *before* you get into the whole Katie Mitchell/Martin Crimp thing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 14:54:13 GMT
One of the best production/play combos that I've seen and, with Cleansed, two productions of the best contemporary texts that show Katie Mitchell to be among our very best directors.
Different strokes and all that.
The quotes aren't showing up but I assume you mean C&T and AOHL? Certainly the latter was indeed very divisive as I recall, with little or no middle ground. The pattern I've had with KM is I've really enjoyed her work when she's at her most restrained and relatively trope-free. I meant to say earlier, I'm with those who think the title of this play is really stupidly annoying. Note sure where my quote went but I was referring to Attempts on Her Life and Cleansed, I never saw Cruel and Tender. The first two are most definitely seen as among the best of contemporary texts but both are pretty challenging, either through formal experimentation or subject matter. I find it strange but the one of those that really causes friction is playing with form whilst you can have all sorts of carnage onstage and people don't bat an eyelid as long as it's done within a realistic style.
On the other hand I found Mitchell's most recent production here (La maladie de la mort) to be not to my taste. Self obsessed people and a pretty bog standard runthrough a relationship. Her use of live film was much better integrated in her Fraulien Julie or The Forbidden Zone.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 9:42:15 GMT
Ooooh, there's some fancy artwork for this production. Cate. Stephen. A car. "A ballot? Stone the flamin' crows Stephen, there's a ballot? We need tickets you great galah! Put your foot down driver! "
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Post by showgirl on Nov 21, 2018 9:51:26 GMT
Bearing in mind some of the NT's less popular productions recently (being kind & not saying "flops"), maybe the title should be "When We Have Sufficiently Tortured You"?
Though so far the Dorfman has been an exception, any torture being limited to the seats.
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Post by peggs on Nov 21, 2018 9:54:17 GMT
This is on the front page of the telegraph today.
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Post by lynette on Nov 21, 2018 11:30:57 GMT
Isn't it just an AWFUL title? It already sounds like the kind of pretentious nonsense that convinces the non-regular theatre-goer that theatre really is as incomprehensible and inaccessible as they fear it is, and that's *before* you get into the whole Katie Mitchell/Martin Crimp thing. Has someone covered this, if so, apologies but it is based on one of the most awful books ever written. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 11:43:51 GMT
This is on the front page of the telegraph today. So now we’re going to be in the pot with those who otherwise wouldn’t have given a damn about seeing it. If they’d just sold it as normal then it would still sell out but the audience would be more like its natural one. Seeing as I could get two tickets on the off chance that I win and would only get one, is there anyone else in a similar position who might want to pair up? If they only allow for two tickets on the same performance it might be difficult, though. I’m aiming for 19th February or possibly 26th January (preference for matinee but can do evening as well). |
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Post by crowblack on Nov 21, 2018 12:29:58 GMT
I don't think so, but I agree it's off-putting. Sounds like the sort of thing you'd see on an 80s LP along with a pic of David Sylvian staring at a wall. But it's Cate Blanchett so yeah of course I'll try to get tickets. |
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Post by peggs on Nov 21, 2018 15:13:46 GMT
I suspect you'd be able to shift a second ticket, I thought the same Thu g in the way you consider all eventualities of something that is never going to happen. Or return the second if you couldn't?
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Post by Steve on Nov 21, 2018 16:36:47 GMT
Isn't it just an AWFUL title? It already sounds like the kind of pretentious nonsense that convinces the non-regular theatre-goer that theatre really is as incomprehensible and inaccessible as they fear it is, and that's *before* you get into the whole Katie Mitchell/Martin Crimp thing. Has someone covered this, if so, apologies but it is based on one of the most awful books ever written. Since the book is basically "The Sex Pests Appreciation Society," I think we can be certain that Crimp is going to have his own take on it lol. I mean, I just saw his "Dealing with Clair," and it burns with loathing for men, so my worry would be that the piece will be obvious, with zero nuance. :0 I have hope and faith, though, that Cate Blanchett's involvement means the piece will be more interesting than that. |
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Post by bordeaux on Nov 22, 2018 7:46:41 GMT
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Post by crazyscientist on Nov 22, 2018 10:03:17 GMT
I’m reading the terms and conditions for the public ballot just now and they state that the ballot is only open to UK residents?! Will they actually enforce this? I think I’ll just enter anyway
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 10:18:56 GMT
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Post by viserys on Nov 22, 2018 11:41:43 GMT
Scratch that. "You will be invited to login or register." In other words, not unless you register multiple times - and I'd guess risk getting weeded out. I think that's quite fair - better than hardcore fans signing up under their own 20 fake adresses and 20 addresses of various family members and their pet hamster. As for not being guaranteed a ticket - with such a huge demand, I think it's fair too. You get your chance, but if you sit back and dawdle and miss the windows, why shouldn't someone else get the chance? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 12:13:05 GMT
Site already fallen over, the error message I get says 'backend is unhealthy' which would seem to suggest a trip to the Doctors.
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Post by jek on Nov 22, 2018 12:15:39 GMT
I got an error 503 first byte timeout. I realise there is no urgency to this - just happened to be in front of a computer when they sent out the email saying that the ballot was now open.
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Post by ellie1981 on Nov 22, 2018 12:24:09 GMT
It’s open for the whole week, right? Think I’ll just come back tomorrow.
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Post by stevemar on Nov 22, 2018 12:27:25 GMT
If you've managed to get into the queue (I am 89th), it is currently paused (and has been for the last 20 minutes).
"We've paused the queue to allow people ahead of you to complete their ballot entry. Please note that you can enter the ballot any time up until 12 noon on Thursday 29 November, so you may prefer to try again when the website is less busy."
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Post by zahidf on Nov 22, 2018 12:30:33 GMT
Its open for the whole week. I'll try late night tonight or tomorrow
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 12:31:08 GMT
Site already fallen over, the error message I get says 'backend is unhealthy' which would seem to suggest a trip to the Doctors. MATRON!  |
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Post by floorshow on Nov 22, 2018 12:42:03 GMT
Number of users in the queue ahead of you 3662 The queue is paused Wow, maybe later. At least my backend is healthy  |
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Post by bramble on Nov 22, 2018 12:43:16 GMT
Ballot is open for a week
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