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Post by Distant Dreamer... on Apr 29, 2018 15:42:44 GMT
I thought this would be a really cool thread as it's always interested me and I hope it does with others too (who want to talk about it!). The architecture of the London theatres is simply stunning and what makes them even more interesting is that there are so many styles and examples with a concentrated radius...some even have contrasting examples next door to each other. In short, my experience of going to the theatre is that you are often visiting a piece of artwork in itself before the production has even started. We all have our favoured styles and venues i'm sure and it will be great to share them here, as well as famous stories or even our own personal stories in visiting these venues. Trust me, they all have quirks and funny features, but above all so much history. As tempting as it would have been to create a separate thread for each theatre venue in London...don't worry admin we will keep it into this topic. To all who share their comments/experiences please be clear which venue you are discussing though! Note we are here to discuss the performing spaces, so could I politely ask that any specific discussion of the shows be kept to the show threads on other pages...thanks Finally...if you have not already found it, I could not recommend more this website here which is an incredible wealth of free knowledge on theatre architecture not only in London, but countrywide. I'd like to start with Her Majesty's Theatre which has been home to Phantom since 1986 and sits on The Haymarket and this building has been there since 1897 This "Gothic as Hell" theatre was built for Sir Herbert Beerbohm Tree (a rather cool name if I may say!) who was a famous actor. Look he even has a plaque on the corner of the building (on Charles II Street): Imagine how cool it must be having a theatre built for you?! As the plaque says, he was a very famous and respected actor who was knighted for his efforts. So...I was in London yesterday admiring the amazing dome and I remembered that this was where Herbert had his office. He actually lived and worked in this theatre! One thing i've never been able to find is if any early photographs exist of what this dome office/living space looked like. I'm also intrigued as to what it looks like today. Is it storage, is it a private office still, a function room? I look forward to sharing our experiences here.
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Post by Jon on Apr 29, 2018 15:48:15 GMT
I'm a huge fan of 30s Art deco theatre like The Prince Edward, Prince of Wales and the Adelphi.
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Post by Distant Dreamer... on Apr 29, 2018 15:50:51 GMT
I'm a huge fan of 30s Art deco theatre like The Prince Edward, Prince of Wales and the Adelphi. They're certainly overload experiences for anyone adverse to colour hehe! I really admire the sleek design of Prince of Wales, although the routes to get to seats leaves little to be desired.
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Post by Stephen on Apr 29, 2018 15:59:54 GMT
I love the variety in the architecture of West End theatres.
I am quite the fan of a Matcham theatre and The Palladium is certainly a special one for me. It’s amazing to me that the theatre is intimate wherever you sit especially given its size!
The exterior of Her Majesty’s is my favourite. I was only recently informed that the name changes from his to her depending on the monarch. Perhaps a fairly obvious tidbit of information but I found it quite interesting.
@distant Dreamer... I would recommend that you purchase the new “London Theatres” book my Michael Coveney. It’s a beautiful addition to any theatre lovers collection. Looks good on the coffee table too!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 16:01:34 GMT
So...I was in London yesterday admiring the amazing dome and I remembered that this was where Herbert had his office. He actually lived and worked in this theatre! One thing i've never been able to find is if any early photographs exist of what this dome office/living space looked like. I'm also intrigued as to what it looks like today. Is it storage, is it a private office still, a function room? Nice topic... Here you go: www.headbox.com/spaces/1139-book-day-hire-the-dome-room-her-majesty-s-theatre-london(Used at night by the Phantom...)
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Post by Distant Dreamer... on Apr 29, 2018 16:04:53 GMT
@distant Dreamer... I would recommend that you purchase the new “London Theatres” book my Michael Coveney. It’s a beautiful addition to any theatre lovers collection. Looks good on the coffee table too! Welcome to the discussion Steve...it's actually right next to me! Hehe. It's a lovely book to look at, I also like the older book by Mike Kilburn which is more visually appealing, but lighter on information. Matcham...not a fan of mine personally, then again I have a hatred of the London Palladium!
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Post by Distant Dreamer... on Apr 29, 2018 16:08:29 GMT
Thank you caiaphas...I never would have guessed it looked like that inside now, such space! Don't you feel sorry for the actress playing Christine having to dash up all those stairs to grab her Hannibal costume? I wonder if in Tree's day there was an upper floor so he could look out of those Dome windows? If you look at one of those photos, what do you think "Reggie's Folly" is a reference to?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 16:19:37 GMT
Always had a soft spot for the Palace, the first West End theatre I ever went to back in the 70s. Always looked spectacular, on its own little island, surrounded by the chaos, and once gaudily lit with huge neon signs. The interior used to be a dark plum colour- lobby, stairs, auditorium.. until someone discovered the beauty underneath! Very different now... It has one of the steepest balconies of any West End theatre (the steepest???) and I used to love sitting up there next to one of the two follow-spot operators when Superstar was on there. Imagine my delight when my second favourite show ever transferred there! Another reason to revisit, time and time again... A sad day for the West End when Les Mis left for the Queens. I’ve also been backstage quite a bit. I used to go to the stage door (wonderful inscription above it) and ask if someone would show me round. There was always someone willing to show me where the Superstar props were kept, the moving platform for the orchestra when Song and Dance played there , and the tiny little space littered with the actors‘ Chinese takeaways behind the sloping wall of the Les Mis set!
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Post by Distant Dreamer... on Apr 29, 2018 16:26:04 GMT
We are kindred spirits caiaphas, I have always had a love of this venue as grotty and poky it can be at times. Having been in that rather steep balcony on numerous occasions I can say I agree with you it probably is the steepest, not that I minded. Your back stage experiences sound awesome...I'm not jealous at all! Hehe I was once there on a VERY hot day seeing Les Mis and one usher in the interval opened some windows to let the air into the auditorium. Who knew they were there? Not many auditoriums have external windows after all. In case anyone hasn't seen it, here is the famous stage door inscription: Does this refer to ghosts too?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 16:27:55 GMT
Thank you caiaphas...I never would have guessed it looked like that inside now, such space! Don't you feel sorry for the actress playing Christine having to dash up all those stairs to grab her Hannibal costume? I wonder if in Tree's day there was an upper floor so he could look out of those Dome windows? If you look at one of those photos, what do you think " Reggie's Folly" is a reference to? Mysterious... On the Really Useful website, it says a little more about the Dome Room. Apparently it’s where RADA started! (I’ve only recently found out that Central School started in the roof of the Royal Albert Hall...!) With regard to the open windows in the Palace, I have very clear memories of incredibly hot summers when Superstar was on there. Some of the band played wearing (short) shorts! As the matinee was finishing, they used to throw open the side doors of the stalls and you could see the actors singing the encore on stage from the street!
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Post by Distant Dreamer... on Apr 29, 2018 16:29:44 GMT
RADA in a roof? Who'd have thought.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 17:14:42 GMT
Great thread Distant Dreamer... ! Her Majesty's Theatre is quite possibly my favourite theatre exterior. I think one of the many reason Phantom works there is because it looks so in keeping with the show. Its hard to believe that once upon a time its neighbour was far more in keeping with HMT and not the stark, juxtaposing eyesore that currently exists. The Carlton Hotel, designed by CJ Phipps also, was unfortunately substantially damaged during WW2 and subsequently destroyed late 1950's. We are so lucky HMT survived in tact! More info: www.arthurlloyd.co.uk/CarltonHotel.htm
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Post by Distant Dreamer... on Apr 29, 2018 17:21:01 GMT
You're very welcome @serial Shusher and I did not know that about Her Majesty's Theatre...with it's matching partner it looks like a true palace. I suppose it was a very lucky escape for the theatre (The Queen's Theatre was not so lucky and had a hideous exterior renovation).
I'm sure you know, Maria Bjornson who designed the sets to Phantom incorporated lots of the original architectural features from the theatre into her set design which is exactly why you feel it fits well into the building.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 17:28:17 GMT
You're very welcome @serial Shusher and I did not know that about Her Majesty's Theatre...with it's matching partner it looks like a true palace. I suppose it was a very lucky escape for the theatre (The Queen's Theatre was not so lucky and had a hideous exterior renovation). I'm sure you know, Maria Bjornson who designed the sets to Phantom incorporated lots of the original architectural features from the theatre into her set design which is exactly why you feel it fits well into the building. Yes, the whole 'complex' did really look something back then! On the subject of hideous exterior renovation, Manchester Palace springs to mind (whilst not as opulent as grandiose as HMT). Another theatre exterior destroyed as a result of war-time bombings and then brutally renovated in the fashion of the time. From this: To this:
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Post by Distant Dreamer... on Apr 29, 2018 17:32:51 GMT
*sigh*
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 17:41:22 GMT
I quite like the New London. Many people dismiss it as just a lump of concrete, but I like the way the architect has made a point of texturing the concrete and using open areas and walkways so it doesn't feel heavy and oppressive. It's not what I would call a beautiful building and I wouldn't choose it as the view to have out my window but it really does make good use of the features of its materials.
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Post by Distant Dreamer... on Apr 29, 2018 17:56:11 GMT
The New London...or The Gillian Lynne as it is now called? Certainly won't win awards for asthetics, but in it's day it must have been quite something. I do admire the flexible seating arrangements as well as the very spacious audience areas, something sadly lacking in most west end venues.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 20:14:00 GMT
Thank you for starting this thread. I don't know much about art or architecture, and found this such an interesting read.
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Post by steve10086 on Apr 29, 2018 21:32:02 GMT
Great thread Distant Dreamer... ! Her Majesty's Theatre is quite possibly my favourite theatre exterior. I think one of the many reason Phantom works there is because it looks so in keeping with the show. Its hard to believe that once upon a time its neighbour was far more in keeping with HMT and not the stark, juxtaposing eyesore that currently exists. The Carlton Hotel, designed by CJ Phipps also, was unfortunately substantially damaged during WW2 and subsequently destroyed late 1950's. We are so lucky HMT survived in tact! More info: www.arthurlloyd.co.uk/CarltonHotel.htmWow, never knew that! It must have looked fabulous, and it’s such a shame it no longer exists.
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Post by Distant Dreamer... on Apr 30, 2018 21:26:00 GMT
So who are your children theatres then Monkey?
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Post by Jon on Apr 30, 2018 21:47:31 GMT
I’m a fan of former theatres like the Empire Haymarket and also the Hippodrome, does anyone know if the Cineworld Leceister Square was ever a theatre?
Looking beyond London, my favourite NY theatres are the St James and the Shubert, The Pantages In Los Angeles is visually nice as is the Ed Mirvish in Toronto and both the Regent Theatre and the Princess Theatre in Melbourne are gems too
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Post by harrietcraig on Apr 30, 2018 22:10:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 7:15:14 GMT
I’m a fan of former theatres like the Empire Haymarket and also the Hippodrome, does anyone know if the Cineworld Leceister Square was ever a theatre? Cineworld was formally The Empire and has been there in 3 different forms. www.arthurlloyd.co.uk/EmpireLeicesterSquare.htm
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Post by Distant Dreamer... on May 1, 2018 17:19:34 GMT
So who are your children theatres then Monkey? All in the West End, I guess. I mean, some trigger more wonderful memories than others, but all are special. Share some of those memories with us.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 17:35:58 GMT
^ This looks like it could be one of your youngest... The Bridge? (PS- rather pleased with this one I took recently in India!)
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