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Post by Rory on Feb 27, 2018 10:22:12 GMT
I think that the personal attacks on BB have been disgraceful. Emi has made some very good points. It is dangerous to try to curb press freedoms and the one thing I will say about this paper, of which I am certainly not a fan, is that it does do much to promote the industry we all love. There was an excellent PR response given to Carl Woodward in his blog on the subject.
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Post by crowblack on Feb 27, 2018 14:11:42 GMT
if they're buying tickets that keep the very theatres I love afloat. And maybe they'll be seeing productions that change their mindset - surely better than the echo chamber situation that some on both right and left have fallen into. |
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Post by Mr Snow on Feb 28, 2018 8:49:50 GMT
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Post by sf on Feb 28, 2018 14:29:12 GMT
I've long resisted posting here as genuinely I find it a difficult one. I find the Mail abhorrent in it's views, and I seriously think they walk dangerously close to a line of what's legal in our libel and privacy laws at times, as well as those on 'hate speech'. But equally, if they aren't breaking the law, I believe in freedom of speech and freedom of the press so who am I to say they should be outright shut down if I don't agree with them? All true. Where I start to become very, very concerned, though, is when the relationship between a newspaper and the government, or members of the government, becomes too cosy. When I read reports of, for example, the Prime Minister hosting a private, unminuted dinner at Downing Street for the editor of the Mail, I have to wonder whether the tail is wagging the dog. (While I'm certainly not a Daily Mail reader, I'd have the same reaction to the editor of any newspaper attending such a dinner. It's inappropriate.) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 14:41:52 GMT
I despise the Daily Hate Mail so much that I wouldn't even use it to beat the help with when they're slacking.
Even using it to line the bottom of a rabbit hutch would be unfair to the rabbit.
To be honest, I don't mind Baz earning a crust from them per se. What I object to with Baz is that he always picks the fugliest photos of people in his tweets. It's like he has a compulsion to select the very worst picture he can find. I mean seriously Baz, if you're going to tweet about famous people at least pick some pretty pictures of them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 17:10:55 GMT
Whch is all very nice and utopian but an issue such as gun control in the US has, for a while now, had one side refusing to compromise and to comprehend reality. So much so that many really do believe the students are actors, that Sandy Hook was staged, that there is a ‘deep state’ and so on. This is why nothing has happened, people playing by the rules of logic and of reality don’t stand a hope in hell against feelings and conspiracy. The only way to combat that is with stronger feelings and a mass movement such as the Stoneman students have miraculously begun to create. It didn’t need listening to people who have no interest in listening, it needed raw passion and the humiliation of those who stand in their way. They may not succeed but they’ve shown the way forward. After a terrible couple of years I believe that we are seeing a watershed whereby the walls of prejudice and power are being breached. It would be wonderful if we could ‘all get along in peace and harmony and listen and behave in a logical manner’ but whilst you are waiting the decades or centuries it would take for that to happen, maybe there needs to be a plan B. |
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Post by ellie1981 on Feb 28, 2018 20:22:10 GMT
I've long resisted posting here as genuinely I find it a difficult one. I find the Mail abhorrent in it's views, and I seriously think they walk dangerously close to a line of what's legal in our libel and privacy laws at times, as well as those on 'hate speech'. But equally, if they aren't breaking the law, I believe in freedom of speech and freedom of the press so who am I to say they should be outright shut down if I don't agree with them? Alongside that I recognise that the Mail is a key player in theatre marketing. If you look at their weekend supplements they run interviews/features/reviews in those magazines on theatre with equal regularity as say, the Guardian and they give theatre a hell of a lot of air time- something we all cry out for. And they reach 'middle England' (as it were). Again who I am to say that these people shouldn't be allowed to buy, or encouraged to buy theatre tickets? if they're buying tickets that keep the very theatres I love afloat. So while it's a vile hate filled rag of a newspaper, it's readers probably think the Guardian is...well we know what they think that is. So how can I ask for it to be shut down (as long as it stays on the right side of that law). The thing I find with some of these papers is that is how they maintain their readership. A lot of people don't even think about the politics of their paper of choice as they just buy them for their special supplements. No matter how much I protest, my mum buys the weekend editions just for the crosswords. She says that she doesn't care about their political standings and pays no attention to their point of view, although I have on occasion caught her spouting some absolute rubbish she's read in there before I have to stop her. I have known plenty of men who bought The Sun purely for the Football coverage; The Guardian for the Jobs and Property sections etc. It's how they draw you in, and any political leanings tend to subtly seep into your subconscious. |
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Post by Mr Snow on Mar 1, 2018 9:08:41 GMT
Whch is all very nice and utopian but an issue such as gun control in the US has, for a while now, had one side refusing to compromise and to comprehend reality. So much so that many really do believe the students are actors, that Sandy Hook was staged, that there is a ‘deep state’ and so on. This is why nothing has happened, people playing by the rules of logic and of reality don’t stand a hope in hell against feelings and conspiracy. The only way to combat that is with stronger feelings and a mass movement such as the Stoneman students have miraculously begun to create. It didn’t need listening to people who have no interest in listening, it needed raw passion and the humiliation of those who stand in their way. They may not succeed but they’ve shown the way forward. After a terrible couple of years I believe that we are seeing a watershed whereby the walls of prejudice and power are being breached. It would be wonderful if we could ‘all get along in peace and harmony and listen and behave in a logical manner’ but whilst you are waiting the decades or centuries it would take for that to happen, maybe there needs to be a plan B. All I'm going to say is, after reading that article my reaction to it is the exact oppposite to the one you express. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 1, 2018 9:24:41 GMT
The Guardian has gone down hill since it has ceased to be a Broadsheet. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 1, 2018 9:28:48 GMT
I've long resisted posting here as genuinely I find it a difficult one. I find the Mail abhorrent in it's views, and I seriously think they walk dangerously close to a line of what's legal in our libel and privacy laws at times, as well as those on 'hate speech'. But equally, if they aren't breaking the law, I believe in freedom of speech and freedom of the press so who am I to say they should be outright shut down if I don't agree with them? All true. Where I start to become very, very concerned, though, is when the relationship between a newspaper and the government, or members of the government, becomes too cosy. When I read reports of, for example, the Prime Minister hosting a private, unminuted dinner at Downing Street for the editor of the Mail, I have to wonder whether the tail is wagging the dog. (While I'm certainly not a Daily Mail reader, I'd have the same reaction to the editor of any newspaper attending such a dinner. It's inappropriate.) Wasn't that a gag that David Cameron had 3 hotlines in Downing Street, 1st to the US President, 2nd to authorise the firing of a nuclear bomb and finally the 3rd to the editor of the Daily Mail. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 9:49:46 GMT
Whch is all very nice and utopian but an issue such as gun control in the US has, for a while now, had one side refusing to compromise and to comprehend reality. So much so that many really do believe the students are actors, that Sandy Hook was staged, that there is a ‘deep state’ and so on. This is why nothing has happened, people playing by the rules of logic and of reality don’t stand a hope in hell against feelings and conspiracy. The only way to combat that is with stronger feelings and a mass movement such as the Stoneman students have miraculously begun to create. It didn’t need listening to people who have no interest in listening, it needed raw passion and the humiliation of those who stand in their way. They may not succeed but they’ve shown the way forward. After a terrible couple of years I believe that we are seeing a watershed whereby the walls of prejudice and power are being breached. It would be wonderful if we could ‘all get along in peace and harmony and listen and behave in a logical manner’ but whilst you are waiting the decades or centuries it would take for that to happen, maybe there needs to be a plan B. All I'm going to say is, after reading that article my reaction to it is the exact oppposite to the one you express. He highlights all the issues and then proposes a solution that is so perfectly 'Guardian' that it could be taken as a parody. He wants people to get together and work out their differences by listening and talking? As if that hasn't been attempted and found wanting from the year dot? Good luck to him for keeping trying but I'm not going to be sitting around waiting for any sort of breakthrough, not unless he is able to completely rewire the brain. Whilst Guardian liberals tut and fret about nobody listening and then get steamrollered yet again the alt right and their fellow travellers love this sort of stuff, it leaves the field wide open for them. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 1, 2018 10:00:41 GMT
The equivalent of Baz in New York is Michael Riedel for the New York Post who has just announced he is leaving his job.
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Post by joem on Mar 7, 2018 23:01:37 GMT
I don't read the Mail. I don't agree with strongarm tactics against a free press. If papers say something illegal, sue them. If they say something you don't like, stop reading them.
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Post by n1david on Nov 28, 2018 16:05:19 GMT
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Post by Backdrifter on Nov 28, 2018 18:39:10 GMT
will no longer be writing theatre reviews for them. Not sure he ever did, really. Not many posts here or on any board make me laugh out loud but this did. Thank you. Sadly, when you cut one slimy toadstool away, another bit of rank fungus will slither up out of the dirt, but anyway. |
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Post by learfan on Nov 28, 2018 19:01:19 GMT
will no longer be writing theatre reviews for them. Not sure he ever did, really. No he certainly didnt. Pity he is still employed. Good riddance to bad rubbish i say! |
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Post by n1david on Nov 28, 2018 19:40:37 GMT
He will now be doing theatre reviews for the Sunday Times, apparently...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 20:31:23 GMT
He will now be doing theatre reviews for the Sunday Times, apparently... So is Christopher Hart out? It’s difficult to work out which of the two is the most obnoxious but, just possibly, it’s the only paper (or its daily edition) where Letts might be a slight improvement. Both of them together would be like nightmare version of the Muppets’ Statler and Waldorf. |
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Post by learfan on Nov 29, 2018 12:36:48 GMT
He will now be doing theatre reviews for the Sunday Times, apparently... Their loss... |
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Post by jojo on Nov 29, 2018 19:15:59 GMT
Another non-Mail reader here, but I have noted the shift in editorial approach and while it's still not in keeping with my own views, I'm hopeful that it is successful in bringing along its traditional readership as it appears to become less unpalatable. I'm hoping it will be a bit like lobsters in water - you gradually increase the temperature and they won't notice that their politics have changed! To be honest, and as much as I enjoy having a go at the Mail, I think the Telegraph is just as bad these days, with the Express much, much worse. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Dec 2, 2018 20:01:34 GMT
The Express is owned by the Trinity Group now, who also own the Mirror, so expect that to shift to the left gradually which suits me, the same way Murdoch shifted the Sun from the left to the right gradually.
I also never enjoyed or agreed with the views of the Daily Mail, but agree under this new editor their views compared to the old editor are as clear as night follows day, which is a great thing. Although I don’t read the Daily Mail mum does and sounds like the Daily Mail as the majority do, my mum keeps back the Event magazine for me, which comes with the Mail on Sunday, which has the theatre reviews in it and I must say their Chief Theatre Critic Robert Gore-Langton is very good and would leave the bigoted Rev Quentin Letts standing.
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Post by jojo on Dec 3, 2018 20:08:11 GMT
Does that mean the Express is no longer questioning climate change?
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Post by learfan on Dec 3, 2018 20:44:04 GMT
The Express is owned by the Trinity Group now, who also own the Mirror, so expect that to shift to the left gradually which suits me, the same way Murdoch shifted the Sun from the left to the right gradually. I also never enjoyed or agreed with the views of the Daily Mail, but agree under this new editor their views compared to the old editor are as clear as night follows day, which is a great thing. Although I don’t read the Daily Mail mum does and sounds like the Daily Mail as the majority do, my mum keeps back the Event magazine for me, which comes with the Mail on Sunday, which has the theatre reviews in it and I must say their Chief Theatre Critic Robert Gore-Langton is very good and would leave the bigoted Rev Quentin Letts standing. Welcome back! You been ill? |
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