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Post by d'James on Mar 3, 2016 20:56:30 GMT
I'm getting a bit annoyed at how difficult it is to find out which understudies are on. (I don't care if there are I just want to know.)
Now, I'm not talking about when booking in advance, I mean on the day itself. Today at the Savoy, they had a sign behind the bar about an understudy which, when I asked, wasn't for the show I was watching. The other staff I asked told me one understudy was on, and luckily I can tell the difference between black and white people otherwise I would've believed them.
Anyway, I was told in the past that there were specific rules about how the audience should be told which understudies are on. Can anyone confirm what they are?
I have been to five, maybe six, shows this year (not many compared to some) and only one of the shows complied to the rules I was told (one other had extenuating circumstances).
(I'm not saying what the rules I was told are, in case they're wrong; I don't want to look stupid. Haha.)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 23:15:31 GMT
I could be wrong, but I have been informed there are three preferred methods (slips in programmes, signs in the foyer, verbal announcement on stage), and any understudy should be announced by two of these methods where possible. (Obviously if someone needs to be replaced midshow, slips are somewhat impractical.)
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Post by d'James on Mar 3, 2016 23:30:49 GMT
Yes. That's what I heard too. As I say, when there's extenuating circumstances, you can understand, but they seem to be not bothering in some places. It's also bad when you don't go through the main foyer, say if you're in the Upper Circle.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 23:41:11 GMT
Yeah, and I don't think I've ever seen the National or the RSC do anything other than put slips with the free cast lists, though I confess it's been a while since I bought a programme at either.
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Post by d'James on Mar 3, 2016 23:43:42 GMT
By the way, I don't blame the staff at all for not knowing. Someone obviously doesn't think it's important for them to know the information, which is disrespectful to the cast.
With the Internet, you don't need to buy a programme, but at least with announcements/cast lists in the foyer you can know who you saw to look them up later.
(Full marks to the Kings Cross Theatre for two announcements and a screen announcing the understudies all evening!)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2016 8:23:00 GMT
I don't know the answer but share that frustration! I LOVE an understudy and would be really pleased to know what 'bonus' actor I'm seeing. Also if it's a minor role (say in a big musical) it annoys me to come out thinking I've seen x and really I saw y.
I know when I ushered at a big touring venue we never got told if an understudy was on even for the lead unless they were a 'name' (sometimes not even then) so we would find out along with the audience, which isn't helpful to anyone. Even if the audience aren't annoyed FOH should be able to point out in the programme who is on instead, particularly for principle roles. Or failing that a bloody notice somewhere people can read it...
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Post by Kim on Mar 4, 2016 9:20:09 GMT
It seems to depend on the show about announcing the understudy. I've seen The Bodyguard a lot in the past year and only 3 times have seen a sign saying Zoe Birkett was playing Rachel Marron, but even on a press night with the Nicki understudy I saw no signs plus no announcement, Canterbury had a full cast list pinned up by the box office but that was all.
I prefer slips in a programme at least if you've been before you can try asking just for a slip, or an announcement
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2016 11:44:04 GMT
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Post by profquatermass on Mar 4, 2016 14:22:58 GMT
I saw Woman on the Verge on one the days all three female leads were off. The only notification was an A4 sign at the box office which I wouldn't have seen had I not been collecting tickets. There were a *lot* of annoyed people haranguin staff during the interval
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Post by Anniek on Mar 4, 2016 14:38:22 GMT
I saw Woman on the Verge on one the days all three female leads were off. The only notification was an A4 sign at the box office which I wouldn't have seen had I not been collecting tickets. There were a *lot* of annoyed people haranguin staff during the interval Had that as well when I went there (Only Willemijn was off though). I like to know, as sometimes I book especially to see an understudy. But also when Im at a theatre I just like to know. I love the announcements they do at for example Les Miserables.
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Post by profquatermass on Mar 4, 2016 15:50:36 GMT
I saw Woman on the Verge on one the days all three female leads were off. The only notification was an A4 sign at the box office which I wouldn't have seen had I not been collecting tickets. There were a *lot* of annoyed people haranguin staff during the interval Yeah, but was that actually just because the cast were off? Not sure what you mean? I got the impression there were people who bought tickets on the day who didn't know they were getting three understudies which is quite a poor show when it's the leads. And in fact the show was totally sold as a star vehicle for Tamsin Greig
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Post by Dawnstar on Mar 5, 2016 19:13:36 GMT
At least no-one could accuse the Menier of not making their understudy situation clear: so far I've counted 9 signs!
I too thought that it was supposed to be any 2 out of foyer notice/programme slip/pre-show announcement but most of the shows I've been to recently have only had one of the three, usually the foyer notice.
Thanks to the assistant at the Savoy box office who, when I inquired earlier about availability for tonight, kindly told me Jamie Parker was off, even though it lost them a potential sale.
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Post by Scots UK Theatre on Mar 6, 2016 14:04:56 GMT
It seems to depend on the show about announcing the understudy. I've seen The Bodyguard a lot in the past year and only 3 times have seen a sign saying Zoe Birkett was playing Rachel Marron, but even on a press night with the Nicki understudy I saw no signs plus no announcement, Canterbury had a full cast list pinned up by the box office but that was all. I prefer slips in a programme at least if you've been before you can try asking just for a slip, or an announcement We had Nikki understudy on press night in Edinburgh. It was obvious and I asked a member of staff, who turned out to be house manager. They advised they had been advised by production not to put sign up. Whilst it's the productions decision I think that's so disrespectful to the cast and theatregoers.
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Post by daniel on Mar 7, 2016 11:08:48 GMT
Many tours don't announce it through choice, and it seems that there is nothing in place to "force" them to do so. You'll sometimes get a cast board by the Box Office if you're lucky, but the only touring show I've ever seen do slips was War Horse, and even then they weren't in all of the programmes.
Interesting point with the West End having to inform the audience of understudies - recently I saw Les Mis at the Queens. In the past when there's been one or two understudies on they've announced it however this time they didn't, whether they just forgot or were afraid of a backlash because there 5 understudies on I don't know, but there were no slips and the cast board just states names not roles, so unless you recognised people, you'd have no idea!
The impression I get is that productions that don't (want to) announce understudies, do so in the hope that nobody will notice that the lead is missing and will think everything is as usual.
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Post by d'James on Mar 7, 2016 11:25:05 GMT
When I saw Starlight Express in Milton Keynes, they announced one understudy but it turned out there was more than one. Most noticeably a male role being played by a female swing. I had to ask the cast on Twitter who was playing which parts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 11:58:14 GMT
I was reminded on Friday that the New Theatre in Cardiff usually put large-print notices on all the doors into the theatre for understudy announcements, which is good as they're easy to spot (I think as well some in the Foyer near box office too) which is helpful.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Mar 7, 2016 12:18:41 GMT
I don't think there has ever been a slip put in my programme in the 3 years i've been going...until Saturday at Matilda. That was the first time.
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Post by d'James on May 4, 2017 0:37:48 GMT
I knew I'd started a thread about this because it really annoys me.
Tonight at The Curious Incident, during the interval I went to take a picture of the cast list so I'd know who I'd seen this evening. I checked with the staff 'is this kept up to date for every performance?' 'Yes it is!'
Imagine when I got home and started looking up the cast online alongside my programme to find that it was not correct. Not even that the reverend character was not even played by the understudy listed in the programme.
As I say, this was the interval that I took the photo and asked the staff, and the same actor played the reverend before and after it.
Of course, the person I asked is probably not the person who keeps the board up to date, but frankly, by the interval it should definitely be correct for that specific performance (I'm being lenient)!
I think it comes from laziness, thinking that no one cares, which is just offensive to Theatre lovers and more importantly the actors.
I've had enough of this slacking by certain Theatres and will be emailing the manager.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 16:50:08 GMT
I don't think there has ever been a slip put in my programme in the 3 years i've been going...until Saturday at Matilda. That was the first time. Oh I love it when someone pops a slip in my programme. I often tell them to wait until after I've had an interval G&T first though.
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Post by fiyero on May 4, 2017 20:01:52 GMT
I too love to know who I am seeing, I'd hate to give a rave (or negative) review to someone who wasn't even on! I remember seeing Starlight Express on tour, checking and being told it was a full cast and being somewhat surprised that Electra was suddenly white. I also saw Les mis and didn't see signs on the way in but checked with an usher and was told it was a full cast, There was an announcement but the audience around me was so loud I didn't hear. As soon as Gavroche came on it was obvious who the understudy was as it wasn't a young boy but a youngish female ensemble member! I was thrilled for the experience.
I do think they should make an effort to have an accurate cast board with who is on for who, surely that is what the cast deserve. An American in Paris had one of those whizzy TV screen ones, which was broken so nobody knew who was on (after checking it seemed to be a full cast).
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Post by ali973 on May 4, 2017 22:40:46 GMT
I think this might be a Savoy problem, since I've heard others complain about inconsistency with information.
Having said that, when I saw DG this weak, the cast list as you first enter was correct. On Wednesday when Amber was off sick, the cast list was correct but there were quite a few signs that said Amber is not on and Effie will be Marisha due to Amber's indisposition.
I think this kind of thing is left up to the company manager.
When Bodyguard was in London, they had their understudy slips down to the T and any understudy or alternate who'd go on would have a printed slip.
I also think that this behavior wouldn't be tolerated in a Wicked or Les Miz- where there are many die hard fans who need to know what's going on. So I really think it's up to the theatre and/or manager.
Which draws a bigger conversation about standardizing things in the West End. This is by far better managed in the US.
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Post by schuttep on May 5, 2017 8:22:36 GMT
I don't think there has ever been a slip put in my programme in the 3 years i've been going...until Saturday at Matilda. That was the first time. Oh I love it when someone pops a slip in my programme. I often tell them to wait until after I've had an interval G&T first though. You have a one track mind. Keep it up!!!
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Post by Kim_Bahorel on May 5, 2017 16:07:55 GMT
I too love to know who I am seeing, I'd hate to give a rave (or negative) review to someone who wasn't even on! I remember seeing Starlight Express on tour, checking and being told it was a full cast and being somewhat surprised that Electra was suddenly white. I also saw Les mis and didn't see signs on the way in but checked with an usher and was told it was a full cast, There was an announcement but the audience around me was so loud I didn't hear. As soon as Gavroche came on it was obvious who the understudy was as it wasn't a young boy but a youngish female ensemble member! I was thrilled for the experience. I do think they should make an effort to have an accurate cast board with who is on for who, surely that is what the cast deserve. An American in Paris had one of those whizzy TV screen ones, which was broken so nobody knew who was on (after checking it seemed to be a full cast). Les Mis only every announce main characters that are covered not ensemble. I have found sometimes they haven't even announved that. You have the cover sheet and a cast board just right of the merch desk. As I'm a cover fan I always snap a photo of each to quickly work out who I will see cover that day (I know I'm odd). Even then I found names added but werent on and not on the board but where on. The thing with Gavroche is the boy who was meant to be on may have got ill right before the performance or during the show. I heard it happening a few times before where when Charlotte who used to cover Gavroche got a call two scenes before she had to go on. But you're very lucky I have tried to see a cover Gavroche for ages. 😁
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Post by fiyero on May 5, 2017 18:44:52 GMT
But you're very lucky I have tried to see a cover Gavroche for ages. 😁 I know. I'm not complaining at all. Still waiting for a Witch Switch in Wicked though. Not sure why i didn't look that day or if I did maybe it was a late switch
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Post by Dawnstar on May 5, 2017 20:22:30 GMT
Les Mis only every announce main characters that are covered not ensemble. I have found sometimes they haven't even announved that. You have the cover sheet and a cast board just right of the merch desk. As I'm a cover fan I always snap a photo of each to quickly work out who I will see cover that day (I know I'm odd). Even then I found names added but werent on and not on the board but where on. The thing with Gavroche is the boy who was meant to be on may have got ill right before the performance or during the show. I heard it happening a few times before where when Charlotte who used to cover Gavroche got a call two scenes before she had to go on. But you're very lucky I have tried to see a cover Gavroche for ages. 😁 The one time I saw a female Gavroche they didn't announce it & it wasn't on the board either, there were just names for young Cosette & Eponine then a blank where Gavroche's name would be. I don't know if they thought the public wouldn't want to see a female Gavroche or wouldn't care or what. Personally I thought she, Daisy Maywood, was the best Gavroche I'd seen & ever since I've wished Gavroche had been written as a trouser role. The only time I remember being completely baffled by an understudy's identity at Les Mis was when there was a Grantaire on who I just didn't recognise. This was around 2009-10 time when I'd seen the show several times with that cast & I knew it was neither the lead not the first cover. After very careful programme scrutiny in the interval I finally realised it was one of the swings, George Millar, who I found totally unrecognisable in a dark wig. (I can't believe that only a few years ago he was covering students & now he's covering the Dads in Mamma Mia!)
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