The Weinstein effect

I actually think it's being directed by a woman, because it portrays exactly how men are seen these days. The women are in charge, objectifying the men. But whoever directed it, the sad part is that it's true.

Because the truth of the matter is that if it was vice versa and sexes were flipped, all the headlines in the papers tomorrow would feature "INTIMIDATION!!" Sexually intimidating commercial!!!

But for men you don't care because it has to be their fantasy. yeah, right. Double standards will never solve anything. 

It's not just intimidating for one and not for the other because you choose and decide.

I barely know where to begin...

Please, older generation of ladies on the board (and indeed men) if a man is touching himself in your vicinity, and makes it clear it's about you, quick survey...is that funny or creepy/gross? Because I think a large portion of us male and female wouldn't find it THAT amusing. No matter what our age/generation.

And when women get upset about inappropriate comments, it's not because they are intimidated and insecure, it's because those comments are inappropriate. Most women can, most of the time tell the difference between a clumsy come on and an inappropriate gesture. And that's usaully called context. If a drunk man in a bar makes a clumsy attempt at a compliment that ends in 'nice arse' it's not the greatest route to romance, but it's more acceptable than my male boss of 30 years senior ending a review meeting with 'Nice arse'.

Are you beginning to see the difference/problem here?

Women aren't complaining because they 'haven't got their way' they're complaining because at best they've suffered years of low level harassment, and at worst have been raped and assaulted. That's not 'not getting your way' that's being attacked.

ETA: Mods, I'd urge you to consider action against that poster. Have reported and would encourage others to as well. Disgusting behaviour. 

I'm sorry I don't see how in ANY circumstance a man touching himself in public, especially if directed at you is amusing.

Secondly there's a very fine line usually between 'feeling intimidated' and someone tipping over into actually attacking someone. I think the incidents this thread takes its title from are indicative of that.

It's not an opinion I don't agree with, it's someone trying to erase women's experience of sexual violence by saying they should just 'get a sense of humour' and I think that is grounds for complaint.

You genuinely believe "not getting your own way" is more intimidating that being raped Dave??

And you think men don't make sexually explicit comments about women online... words fail me.

Honestly on the basis of the comments here you sound like a sexual predator and it's concerning. At the very least you evidently have no interest in consent or women's comfort levels.

A woman never owes a man sex.

That's the whole sentence Dave. There's no grey area. Women don't owe you sex. It's that simple. One more time because it's clearly difficult.

Women never owe men sex.

And women who don't appreciate men touching themselves nearby are intimidated. 

In all seriousness, touching oneself is a perfectly healthy expression. But is not something to be done in public or directed at a person designed to intimidate or pressure them into something. 

No, it's a new line.

What's your point? Of course. Is there anyone who disagrees with this?

Choose your words carefully please. He hasn’t admitted anything.

I came across this video not long ago: a TV interview on the subject of Hollywood paedophilia. The reaction was more concern about what it would do to the industry than what it would do to the victims. Apparently reputations matter more than actual people.

Whether or not Spacey admits to the allegations - and we all know to what extent we find said allegations believable, bearing in mind any and all whispering we may have heard over the years, and how well covered the topic of false allegations being significantly rarer than certain people would wish us to believe is, and the sheer breathtaking courage it takes to speak out when one has been on the receiving end of unwelcome behaviour from older/more powerful men, and how thoroughly sourced the Buzzfeed article is - it is a staggering insult to the gay community to officially declare oneself a gay man in light of such allegations. Homosexuality has been incorrectly conflated with sexually predatory behaviour for YEARS, and this is a SERIOUS kick in the teeth to all efforts to disprove that. Even if Spacey goes through the process and is legally found to be not guilty, that narrative of his being a gay man who has been accused of predatory behaviour will always stick. I don't even have the words for how abhorrent I find that, and it's not even a community I'm a part of. May victims continue to feel safe enough to come forward and may true justice be done.

Well said @baemax

As I've said elsewhere the story toady isn't 'Kevin Spacey is gay' it's 'Kevin Spacey abused 14 year old boy' (allegedly, though it honestly makes me sick to have to say that in any circumstance, but particularly this one)

I feel sick that members of the LGBT community are by association with the headlines and his words being conflated with his actions. He doesn't have a place in that community. He's invalidated the brave stance of those who came out before him- including Anthony himself. He's fueling the fires of bigots who will say 'this is what gay men do'. And the utter bullsh*t of not even having the dececny to own it properly 'Choosing to live as a gay man' also insults everyone else by insinuating it is a choice. The choice Spacey is in not being a sexual predator (allegedly) not in being a gay man.