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Post by bellboard27 on Jan 12, 2018 0:13:49 GMT
Went this evening. What dave72 wrote is spot on. Really enjoyed it from the front row. Run time: 1st part 45 mins. 15 min interval. 2nd part 1h 12 mins. Curtain down at 9.42
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Post by bellboard27 on Jan 12, 2018 10:39:30 GMT
Just a note on TodayTix rush seats which I had yesterday. I notice on the site of @theatremonkey.com that the nine central front row seats are TodayTix rush seats and the outer ten seats of the front row are for day seat callers at the theatre. However, my seat was in the middle of those marked for day seaters, so I am not sure what the total TodayTix rush seat allocation is.
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Post by bellboard27 on Jan 12, 2018 11:51:19 GMT
You probably just got an unsold seat bellboard27 . Interesting it happened, though. This is possible. I tried to get a rush seat just after 10am, but all were in other users baskets. I kept refreshing as I know from previous experience that this works and after a few minutes a seat came up. It might have been an unsold dayseat, but that would have been quite a quick reallocation.
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Post by RedRose on Jan 12, 2018 14:25:03 GMT
Saw the 2nd preview last night. It's already in fine shape: really strong ensemble, no one predominating, Toby Jones, Zoe Wanamaker, Stephen Mangan all superb. The tone, so hard to achieve precisely in this play, is impeccable: hilarious and anxiety-producing in equal measure. I loved it. I got a Rush ticket left site not far from the middle for the 2nd preview. I wouldn't say that was already in fine shape. Although Steven Mangan was very impressive with his difficult lines. Zoe was not as fluent with her lines as I know it from her and someone- not sure if Tom or Toby- fell from the stage in the darkness and hit my shin - which terribly hurt, but no one got serious injuries thank god. It will soon be brilliant I am sure. I would like to see it again.
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Post by jadnoop on Jan 14, 2018 0:07:18 GMT
I thought this was really great. Tense, unnerving, but also darkly funny and sometimes moving. I saw the recent runs of The Caretaker and No Man's Land, and for me, this chimed with me far more than the other two. It also helps that it seemed to have what was closer to a cohesive and intriguing narrative.
The acting was uniformly excellent. If I'm being picky I might say that Stephen Manghan's accent occasionally seemed to falter, but his delivery was great especially his pairing with Tom Vaughan-Lawlor.
I loved the Quay Brothers' stylised, gothic, slightly run-down design, and the interesting use of light and sound. I'm not sure if the little touches (flames, torches, netting, etc) are in the script or not, but they worked wonderfully.
I also really lucked out with my seats. Me and my other half were sat at the very back of the stalls. Just before the play began, someone asked if we would like to swap seats with them; far closer to the front! Turns out it was director Ian Rickson, who was hoping to see the play from the back. So glad to be able to see the play closer to the action. So, on the small chance he (or others connected with the play) read this forum; thanks so much!
All in all, a solid 4 stars, maybe a smidge more.
I'm not sure I really got it in one go. I'm Quite tempted to go again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 8:14:56 GMT
Saw the matinee yesterday. Agree with the above, this is great. And nobody fell off the stage this time.
Sat in my preferred slightly restricted seat O6 in the stalls - good value as usual. You miss a tiny bit of the edge of the stage, very occasionally someone stands there but largely an entirely clear view. Suspect the equivalent seats on the high numbered side may not be quite as good as there's an armchair at the side of the stage which might be blocked. Could be wrong about that though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 10:29:35 GMT
I saw it yesterday and if I'm honest I was a little let down. The actors were all very good and all had strong performances, I especially like Zoe Wanamaker and Toby Jones, but maybe it is just me but Pinter seems a but overrated no the fact that none of it makes sense just doesn't really sit well with me. At the end of the show I felt lots of people just were quite baffled as well as me and were let feeling a bit cold. You may not think that I'm just not clever for getting it but it just seems a little dare I say I say lazy to write something that has no clear meaning to it. As well there were a few humours lines but I did not really find it that funnyat all. Yes I have a theoriy about what happened but it was all so odd. Ok my ramble out th way I did really like Toby Jones Performance and just found my self watching what he was doing and how he was the character. Stephen Mangans performance was also very good and a nice different role to see him in. Zoe Wanamaker was also very watchable with a nice accent from the times and good delivery. Also really Tom Vaughan-Lawlor and his change from reserved to intimidating. Liked Peter Wight and Pearl Mackie but they didn't have much to there characters . Also sat front row was very good but my this is a very spittty performance from Toby Jones so was worried I would be in the splash zone. The set was also nice along with the lighting and sound but for me I feel like Pinterest I still the emperors new clothes and everybody says they like it because it is a classic and they say they liked it to be intelligent. Oh well this is all my opinion and that is all.
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Post by lonlad on Jan 14, 2018 10:58:55 GMT
What's so difficult to understand about this of all plays (PInter's first)? Pinterland is actually wonderfully clear in its own way. Let's hope this production delivers it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 11:29:41 GMT
Pinter was amazing when acting in his own plays. He was "wonderfully clear" as lonlad says but also wonderfully free in sending every moment off in a different direction. He was exhilarating to watch and listen to.
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Post by lynette on Jan 14, 2018 13:45:43 GMT
"None of it makes sense" robadog? This play takes the normal, possibly boring, idea of a birthday party, something we have 'norms' for and are familiar with and subverts it into a portrayal of a cruel and threatening society which is unpredictable and disturbing, what we fear the most. Pinter takes 'ordinary' people, not people we would necessarily be keen to spend time with and shows us what happens when.......He is reacting of course to both the French Windows drama of just before his time and the way he felt society was going, a kind of 1984 trip. Like Osborne and Wesker he is an angry writer but his 'ear' for the rhythm of every day speech is amazing, often very funny ( The Caretaker prob best example) and meant to scare us into seeing what language can do. This is a play for our time too. We can see almost every day what people do with language, and on the level of content here, with bullying and with the threat of the unknown.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 14:16:46 GMT
It is all well trying to tell me how it makes sense but I just feel Pinter is really pretentious and only 'intellectual ' people get it and if you don't you are just dumb. This is a bit like Stoppard and feels elitist to me and that is not what I think theatre should be. When I was leaving I got the feeling and heard lots of people didn't get it and no one seemed to really love it.
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Post by lynette on Jan 14, 2018 14:25:12 GMT
Stoppard is elitist. He expects you know Hamlet back to front and also about Lenin and loads of other stuff. All very intellectuall party games. His best plays are not like that though. Arcadia is ok in that you don’t need to know a thing. He explains it all. But Pinter is not elitist, he is writing about a birthday party, a caretaker, a bloke taking his girl home for the first time, a marriage break up..all very ordinary stuff which he makes into something ok, weird, but certainly not ordinary.
I haven seen this production so possibly they are making it a bit weighty, I can’t say.
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Post by crowblack on Jan 14, 2018 14:59:24 GMT
I dunno - I saw this yesterday, having not seen it since I was a teenager, and it really felt like a period piece, a play from the mid 20thc whose reference points are even earlier (Kafka, or the rundown, menacing seaside stories of Graham Greene or Patrick Hamilton). Perhaps they are being too reverent, but I felt it needed some vim. Frankly, I think most episodes of Inside Number 9 knock the socks off Pinter - and have the ability to leave me in tears, feeling sick, or wanting to wash my brain out, which I've never got from Pinter.
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Post by lynette on Jan 14, 2018 15:07:10 GMT
Agree, Inside No 9 brilliant. Couldn't have happened without Pinter.... I’m also thinking, having seen that docu on Palin the other day, that Monty Python is simply the flip side of Pinter.
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Post by crowblack on Jan 14, 2018 16:09:33 GMT
Couldn't have happened without Pinter.... Probably not - he was such a fixture on the school curriculum for our generation, but Pinter couldn't have happened without Beckett, Genet etc. There's such an engaging three-dimensionality, a depth and humanity in the League/Inside No 9's work missing from Pinter or their contemporaries like Charlie Brooker.
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Post by lynette on Jan 14, 2018 17:04:36 GMT
Yep. I’m just wondering what that emoji is doing in my text. I didn’t put it there. One of Pinter's little tricks ....
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Post by mallardo on Jan 14, 2018 17:16:23 GMT
Is expecting a certain level of intelligence from your audience elitist? Every playwright worth his/her salt expects that. Stoppard is not elitist - and neither is Pinter.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 17:24:11 GMT
Is expecting a certain level of intelligence from your audience elitist? Every playwright worth his salt expects that. Stoppard is not elitist - and neither is Pinter. I think the problem people have is more the cultural expectations attached to these playwrights, rather than the plays themselves. So people think if they don't "get" or "like" Pinter they're being called "stupid" because every "intellectual" out there tells them so. Same with Shakespeare or Sondheim, because they're so 'elevated' as cultural bastions, people feel like they must be stupid or defective in their taste if it doesn't appeal. Whereas to use the above example, if someone says 'I don't like Inside Number 9' mostly people shrug and say 'Fair enough it's not your taste'* *this doesn't apply if you say you don't like Game of Thrones, in which case people think you're a freak who lives under a rock
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 18:07:22 GMT
Is expecting a certain level of intelligence from your audience elitist? Every playwright worth his salt expects that. Stoppard is not elitist - and neither is Pinter. I think the problem people have is more the cultural expectations attached to these playwrights, rather than the plays themselves. So people think if they don't "get" or "like" Pinter they're being called "stupid" because every "intellectual" out there tells them so. Same with Shakespeare or Sondheim, because they're so 'elevated' as cultural bastions, people feel like they must be stupid or defective in their taste if it doesn't appeal. Whereas to use the above example, if someone says 'I don't like Inside Number 9' mostly people shrug and say 'Fair enough it's not your taste'* *this doesn't apply if you say you don't like Game of Thrones, in which case people think you're a freak who lives under a rock I have never seen GoT so what does that make me?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 18:32:16 GMT
I like Pinter and I would have liked to see this play. On the subject of “getting” a play: one of the reasons I like to go to the theatre alone is so that I don’t have to have a conversation straight after seeing a play about what it “means”. I think some plays require a different way of seeing or thinking. You can just experience them. You don’t always have to work them out. I hate going to the theatre with people who know everything about everything. It can sometimes close things down for me and my mind stops exploring the performance in any meaningful way.
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Post by lynette on Jan 14, 2018 23:24:34 GMT
Is expecting a certain level of intelligence from your audience elitist? Every playwright worth his/her salt expects that. Stoppard is not elitist - and neither is Pinter. I agree, Pinter certainly not elitist. In fact some of his work is almost music hall. But Stoppard does expect a lot, except as I said in his best plays which I think are Arcadia and The Invention of Love. NT programmes always useful for Stoppard. In real life , however, Pinter was the one who almost refused to sign my text until his companions obviously expected him to whereas Stoppard, who was in a hurry, graciously waited for me to get a pen that would write properly! In my opinion Pinter became self important but Stoppard hasn’t. Just my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 9:12:45 GMT
Is expecting a certain level of intelligence from your audience elitist? Every playwright worth his/her salt expects that. Stoppard is not elitist - and neither is Pinter. I agree, Pinter certainly not elitist. In fact some of his work is almost music hall. But Stoppard does expect a lot, except as I said in his best plays which I think are Arcadia and The Invention of Love. NT programmes always useful for Stoppard. In real life , however, Pinter was the one who almost refused to sign my text until his companions obviously expected him to whereas Stoppard, who was in a hurry, graciously waited for me to get a pen that would write properly! In my opinion Pinter became self important but Stoppard hasn’t. Just my opinion. I suspect most writers are a tad self important. Even Caryl Churchill who doesn’t do publicity for her plays... one might say that it is because she is refusing fame etc but not doing publicity creates a mystery which in turn leads to a different kind of personality cult.
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Post by crowblack on Jan 15, 2018 9:35:47 GMT
In my opinion Pinter became self important but Stoppard hasn’t. Just my opinion. Back in the late 50s or early 60s, so only at the start of his career, Pinter kicked my young uncle off a production of one of his plays (Questors theatre group, I think) because he asked questions about the text. I've never got the impression that Pinter was a pleasant human being.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 10:07:16 GMT
Never work with children, animals or such young uncles.
Go Harold!
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Post by zahidf on Jan 15, 2018 10:08:34 GMT
Got a rush ticket for today
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