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Post by glasses on Sept 7, 2017 16:57:18 GMT
I see your "de/het" and raise you our der/die/das But as a learner of both Dutch and French (le/la) I know I tend to just go on instinct and hope for the best. English is actually a fairly easy language to learn (all things considered), so I'm glad it's the one that made it as lingua franca as the world. We'll all be screwed when the Chinese start ruling the world. Haha, I know. I actually took German in school. I still remember all of the prepostitions and which case it comes with Mit, nach, bei, seit, von, zu, aus, außer, gegenuber, entlang -> 3rd case etc.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 19:04:26 GMT
HOTTING UP!
I bloody hate the phrase. It seems to appear on telly all the time these days - "the competition's really hotting up!" AAAAAARGH!
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Post by Dawnstar on Sept 7, 2017 20:37:56 GMT
Other peoples' posts keep on making me think of more uses I dislike. "Medalling"/"medalled" as used endlessly by BBC pundits in the context of the Olympics etc.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 20:46:54 GMT
I've no objection to new words created by adapting existing ones, adding suffixes, turning nouns into adjectives and vice versa etc., as they develop the language. The area that does concern me is where there is any reduction in language, where a word starts to take on the meaning of other words which then fall out of use.
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Post by showgirl on Sept 8, 2017 4:20:22 GMT
New words invented or used to replace an existing (and often less clumsy one) do concern me, e.g. the BBC's puzzling use of "listenership" instead of "audience" and "transportation" (and many other US uses) instead of "transport".
Then there's adding unnecessarily to quite satisfactory and long-standing words such as "station-stop" on trains instead of "station" and so on. Though a cynic might think that given how poor some services are, that might be to distinguish scheduled stops from unexpected and unexplained delays in the middle of nowhere...
As for TOCs ceasing to refer to "passengers" in favour of "customers", again I suspect that's because passengers might actually hope or expect to travel somewhere, which these days is no certainty. Or maybe it's due to the monetisation of everything.
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Post by tonyloco on Sept 8, 2017 13:28:13 GMT
I've just thought of another thing that really bugs me: "How are you?" "Good". I'm asking about your well-being, not your morals. Ah, dawnstar, that is also a very Australian thing, or it was in my day many years ago. Aussies say 'good' to mean lots of things, including a simple 'Yes' as well as 'I understand' and they sometimes turn it into 'good-oh' to indicate enthusiasm!
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Post by tmesis on Sept 8, 2017 15:20:15 GMT
I hate the word artisan (and the very clumsy sounding artisanal) - not the word itself, and it's true meaning, but it's now used indiscriminately to indicate often a spurious, faux authenticity and usually with an unjustified price hike over something else that is supposedly more mass-produced.
Also, it now seems that if you stick the word 'craft' in front of anything you want to drink or eat, a similar smug, superiority of quality and purpose is implied. This obviously comes from craft beer (I still prefer proper real ale myself) but I've now seen the ludicrous term craft coffee at some cafes in London.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 8, 2017 15:31:43 GMT
Yes I'd like the hand carved hand reared free range ham on the organic artisanal granary bloomer, with a pint of your craft IPA please
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Post by Tibidabo on Sept 8, 2017 16:40:45 GMT
Pacific for specific.
And don't even start me on the huge percentage of the population that seems to think the plural of anything we commonly use abbreviated letters for (CDs, LPs, DVDs etc.) should be in the possessive, ie. CD's, LP's, DVD's.....no no no no no no NO!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 17:23:23 GMT
Possibly the worst apostrophe abuse I've seen was a warning about High Wind's near Milton Keyne's. (Click to embiggen.)
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Post by tmesis on Sept 8, 2017 17:47:55 GMT
Pacific for specific. And don't even start me on the huge percentage of the population that seems to think the plural of anything we commonly use abbreviated letters for (CDs, LPs, DVDs etc.) should be in the possessive, ie. CD's, LP's, DVD's.....no no no no no no NO! I so agree.
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Post by tmesis on Sept 8, 2017 17:51:51 GMT
....and people who are passionate about everything. Any website that begins 'I'm passionate about...' doesn't get my business.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 8, 2017 21:11:40 GMT
....and people who are passionate about everything. Any website that begins 'I'm passionate about...' doesn't get my business. Anybody at work who says that... even worse.
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Post by longinthetooth on Sept 8, 2017 21:41:58 GMT
"I literally died."
Really? Are you speaking from beyond the grave?
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Post by tmesis on Sept 8, 2017 22:23:37 GMT
....and people who are passionate about everything. Any website that begins 'I'm passionate about...' doesn't get my business. Anybody at work who says that... even worse. There's an excellent YouTube clip about this from David Mitchell with another one about the almost as annoying 'going forward.'
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Post by Tibidabo on Sept 9, 2017 6:55:22 GMT
"I literally died." Really? Are you speaking from beyond the grave? Guilty as charged! (Well, not the second bit, obvs.) I will own up to really liking that expression and think it's one of the better teenage nonsenses around at the moment. You have to say it whilst wearing a belt for a skirt and flicking your long, severely straightened hair back over your shoulder, whilst a gaggle of clones surround you chorusing "Ohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygod" for it to have the desired meaning. "It is what it is" has me wanting to (at the risk of annoying longinthetooth) literally kill someone. Aaaaaggghhhhhhggghhhhh!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 9, 2017 8:23:00 GMT
I'm super hungry/tired/happy/excited right now
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Post by TallPaul on Sept 9, 2017 11:43:14 GMT
I get mildly annoyed with people who confuse anything with nothing. "The council/government/police don't do nothing for us." To compound matters, they usually pronounce is as nothink.
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Post by tmesis on Sept 9, 2017 11:46:05 GMT
I hate the word artisan (and the very clumsy sounding artisanal) - not the word itself, and it's true meaning, but it's now used indiscriminately to indicate often a spurious, faux authenticity and usually with an unjustified price hike over something else that is supposedly more mass-produced. Also, it now seems that if you stick the word 'craft' in front of anything you want to drink or eat, a similar smug, superiority of quality and purpose is implied. This obviously comes from craft beer (I still prefer proper real ale myself) but I've now seen the ludicrous term craft coffee at some cafes in London. and the pretentious use of 'bespoke.' There was a time when only tailors used the expression but now anything that's a little bit individual is bespoke. bespoke kitchens bespoke itineraries bespoke insurance policy
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Post by Dawnstar on Sept 10, 2017 20:46:14 GMT
^That reminds me of the current over-use of "curate". As far as I'm concerned you curate a museum exhibition but nowadays people seem to curate such trivial things as a Spotify playlist. Pretentious.
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Post by Backdrifter on Sept 10, 2017 21:39:32 GMT
This might be a tad off the topic of the language as such but one of mine would be getting well-known sayings wrong, such as "it was a bit of a damp squid"
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Post by tonyloco on Sept 11, 2017 13:47:25 GMT
This might be a tad off the topic of the language as such but one of mine would be getting well-known sayings wrong, such as "it was a bit of a damp squid" And what's wrong with us damp squids?
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Post by peggs on Sept 11, 2017 21:23:52 GMT
walked past a sign today advertising hand crafted somethings, well I looked what it was it was sandwiches, is this why my sandwiches are a bit naff because I don't craft them?!
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Post by sherriebythesea on Sept 12, 2017 1:26:38 GMT
Have noticed particularly amongst Americans a tendency to say that they *could* care less when they mean couldn't. Don't know why but it drives me insane. Most of the time it does mean "we could care less, but you aren't worth the effort"
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Post by Stasia on Sept 12, 2017 8:53:33 GMT
....and people who are passionate about everything. Any website that begins 'I'm passionate about...' doesn't get my business. What would be the correct way of saying the same thing?
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