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Post by peggs on Jul 24, 2017 17:25:53 GMT
Am feeling all warm and smiley at the Globe at the moment on the back of this morning's announcement and another fun day spent there yesterday. Much Ado is one of my favourite plays so I was on side from the start but equally that does make me less patient perhaps if it's not done well but thankfully this was of those rather classic Globe productions which ended with a good jig and sends you bouncing out all enthused and feeling able to face the excitement that is the sunday train system. It seemed to be unnecessarily miced and as is in fairness usually the norm the Dogberry scenes make me want to stick my fingers in my ears but all round I thought the Mexico themeing worked and added a sort of nuance of threat to it, this seemed slight a brief respite from war that might start up again at any point. Lovely set and lots of appropriate music, buckets of humour and whilst there were some slight changes to the text to make them place appropriate (and the occasional update I guess, pretty sure Beatrice doesn't usually say 'Jesus, I'm wasted here') nothing too major. Good fiery sparing in Matthew Needham and Breatriz Romilly's Benedick and Beatrice and some nice friendly groundlings to just top it off.
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Post by lynette on Jul 25, 2017 12:50:54 GMT
Is there a ref to Jesus in Shakespeare? I know he is cagey on his religious refs, keeping to gods plural etc where possible. Just interested if anyone knows...
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 25, 2017 12:52:48 GMT
Shallow in 2H4 uses Jesu
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Post by lynette on Jul 25, 2017 12:54:03 GMT
And he is very old school isn't he?
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Post by lynette on Jul 25, 2017 13:00:33 GMT
Having a little google as they say and am learning a lot. Did you know that when the witches address Macbeth with All Hail it is a reference to Judas who greeted Jesus with hail and he betrayed him so,the Witches also betray Macbeth... gosh. Will add to my all inclusive tutorial on the play when next asked.
But the entries cover all religious language and references not just the name Jesus. Somebody must have done a thesis in it. 😳 Go seek.
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Post by peggs on Jul 25, 2017 13:37:52 GMT
Interesting Lynette, my challenge is now to find someone that will appreciate the little nugget of Macbeth knowledge.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jul 25, 2017 13:52:59 GMT
Interesting Lynette, my challenge is now to find someone that will appreciate the little nugget of Macbeth knowledge. Im offering to introduce myself! But I'm guessing you are referring to non board geeks ? |
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Post by peggs on Jul 25, 2017 14:01:07 GMT
Well I did assume you'd have read it and therefore been less than bowled over by my knowledge.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 14:37:27 GMT
The word "Jesus" pops up in Henry IV Parts 1 and 2, and Henry VI Parts 2 and 3. "Jesu" appears in Romeo and Juliet, Richard II, Henry IV Part 2, Henry V, Henry VI Part 2, and Richard III. "Christ" is in Richard II and Henry IV Part 1, and "Christian" is in Richard II, Henry VI Part 2, Richard III, Merchant of Venice, Two Gentlemen of Verona, Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, All's Well That Ends Well, Twelfth Night, and As You Like It. So he largely keeps it to the Histories, but does chuck in occasional references elsewhere (apart from Merchant, I suppose that's much more than a mere reference). I'd check for "God" but I think that would require a little more of an in-depth search to see if he means it in a general or specific way.
(Search not intended to be exhaustive.)
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Post by lynette on Jul 25, 2017 17:12:57 GMT
Thank you!
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Post by peggs on Jul 25, 2017 18:14:53 GMT
Blimey Baemax, that's an answer and a half, ditto thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 5:27:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 7:55:05 GMT
Is that why they tend to say things like 'sblood and zounds and by'r lady, 'cos it was less explicit that they were about God or Mary? (I mean I expect the link could well answer that but I ask it anyway just 'cos.)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 7:59:16 GMT
No, doesn't say there. But as I understand it words like 'sblood and 'swounds were banned too after 1606.
Anyway, looks like Emma Rice has gone back to an early pre-1606 text in her detailed textual research and reinserted "Jesus, I'm wasted here!" in line with the bard's intention.
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Post by crabtree on Jul 26, 2017 8:10:43 GMT
Along with Jesus, Christmas gets scant mention. I've not googled it but I think there's only a passing mention in LLL. I may be wrong - I usually am.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 8:19:47 GMT
It crops up in the Christopher Sly portion of Taming Of The Shrew, and there's a quick game of Taboo in the first scene of Hamlet: "Some say that ever 'gainst that season comes Wherein our Saviour's birth is celebrated, The bird of dawning singeth all night long:" Clearly Christmas, but full marks to Marcellus for not actually saying the word.  |
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