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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 19, 2017 18:11:35 GMT
I'm not a BBC basher. I support it and I support the public funding (although I think it should be through taxation and not a license fee). But I do get a smidgeon of pleasure knowing that the oh-so bloody right-on BBC are guilty of shafting their female talent whilst at the same time looking dissapprovingly at anyone who doesn't meet their very high standards of political correctness. Not the best choice of words, sorry!
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Post by crowblack on Jul 19, 2017 18:13:56 GMT
But in that whole field everything's insane - it's like Tulipmania, the madness of crowds. I presume there's some cartel of agents who rake off huge fees ramping this whole thing up in an incredibly risk averse atmosphere that rarely seems to want to bring on board new people (it seems to be the same in other fields - look at books, where it's increasingly going the celebrity-turned-author or reboot/prequel/sequel route).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 18:16:37 GMT
I'm not a BBC basher. I support it and I support the public funding (although I think it should be through taxation and not a license fee). But I do get a smidgeon of pleasure knowing that the oh-so bloody right-on BBC are guilty of shafting their female talent whilst at the same time looking dissapprovingly at anyone who doesn't meet their very high standards of political correctness. Not the best choice of words, sorry! Welllllll
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Post by crowblack on Jul 19, 2017 18:19:57 GMT
Radio salaries have not been published I was once paid £60 by Woman's Hour to talk about a thinkpiece I'd written - it was £60 more than I'd been paid for the original article, so I was rather pleased!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 18:30:19 GMT
Every single one of the people listed are in the top 1% of U.K. earners - aren't we meant to vilify the 1%-ers ? If people aren't earning enough And feel they are undervalued They are welcome To leave their job The country Retrain as something else Gain new skills Have a smaller family/ fewer children Instead of moaning about it And being envious The fact is most people are lazy And expect things given to them on a plate They end up waiting a long time and The plate Is usually empty If you aren't being paid enough The reality is your role and job is not valued by society That is the cold hard truth If you then choose to stay in it That's a personal decision based on the other (non monetary) values you hold to it However these days The salary is the only real direct marker of value and worth in wider society
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Post by kathryn on Jul 19, 2017 18:35:25 GMT
I don't mean to sound uncaring crowblack but when I was at Uni we were told hundreds of times we needed our own TV Licence in every room, if the room had a lock. Maybe I went after you and they were warning us after hearing your story. Edit: Actually, does the fact it was portable make a difference? I know you didn't use to need a licence when watching on mobile devices that weren't plugged in. The rules were quite clear. Portable TVs were only covered under their home license if they had internal power (i.e. batteries) and a portable aerial, and they were only in use outside of the household for a set period of time. University term times were over that period. We were certainly told that in our information packs before we left for university in our first term. Of course there were people who still ignored the information and just assumed they wouldn't get a visit from the TV license people, or if they did, hid. I recall returning to halls of residence one time to see people running upstairs carrying their portable TVs, and knew the TV license people had come to call! I've always been happy to pay the TV license - we get astonishing value from the BBC! I pay almost as much a month for various other TV products, like Netflix/Now TV, and I don't get nearly as much use out of them. I'm even listening to BBC radio/podcasts and reading the BBC website here in the US. As predicted, a lot of the discussion about salaries is annoying. Yes, there is a gender gap, and that gap is because of the difficulty women have reaching the levels of seniority and getting the opportunities that their male colleagues can. Particularly as higher pay comes with longevity, and longevity is harder for achieve for women because older women get replaced by younger ones. Comparing Chris Evans' pay to Claudia Winkleman's isn't a terribly useful measure, because they are doing vastly different jobs - the actual work doesn't compare like-for-like and certainly the media personality aspect of it all means that Chris Evans is in higher demand among competitors, and so can command a higher salary. We need to work on the opportunities for women, we need to change the cultural view about women, so that women are in the same position as their make colleagues to command higher pay.
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Post by Tibidabo on Jul 19, 2017 18:44:20 GMT
highest paid white man getting more than four times as much as the highest paid white woman Well at least they've saved themselves a bit on the new Doctor....
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Post by crowblack on Jul 19, 2017 19:21:10 GMT
I don't mean to sound uncaring crowblack but when I was at Uni we were told hundreds of times we needed our own TV Licence Must be a generational thing! We had to swear an oath not to kindle fire or flame in the library but there was nothing about those newfangled television sets. One of my tutors had never actually set eyes on a video machine. And the principle that an unwaged teenaged student needed a second licence for a set that was out of the family home for 24 weeks of the year was ridiculous.
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Post by d'James on Jul 19, 2017 20:27:00 GMT
I don't mean to sound uncaring crowblack but when I was at Uni we were told hundreds of times we needed our own TV Licence Must be a generational thing! We had to swear an oath not to kindle fire or flame in the library but there was nothing about those newfangled television sets. One of my tutors had never actually set eyes on a video machine. And the principle that an unwaged teenaged student needed a second licence for a set that was out of the family home for 24 weeks of the year was ridiculous. Again, when was this? We didn't have to pay for the whole year.
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Post by Dawnstar on Jul 19, 2017 20:43:28 GMT
(Off topic but I once worked in an exclusive private school near Marbella which was going through severe financial trouble. A letter went out one day threatening to send home any child in a taxi whose parents had not paid their fees by a certain date. On said date 26 children were discharged in taxis.) If the school had severe financial problems I'm surprised they could afford 26 taxis - couldn't they send them all home on the one school bus? ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 21:18:08 GMT
If any political party had the appetite to privatise the Beeb or make them take adverts then £165 a year saving for people would be a big vote winner.
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Post by boybooshka on Jul 19, 2017 21:20:18 GMT
Parsley, you are truly oblivious to how life is for most people aren't you? Are you a Tory cabinet minister by any chance?
Quite frankly I find these salaries obscene, given that the BBC is a public body and how hard life is for so many people, people who are legally obliged to pay a licence fee. Nobody needs to earn those amounts of money at all.
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Post by d'James on Jul 19, 2017 21:56:54 GMT
If any political party had the appetite to privatise the Beeb or make them take adverts then £165 a year saving for people would be a big vote winner. It might be, but things that are vote winners are not always a good thing and vice versa. It's clearly having the desired effect, publishing these salaries. I'm sure certain people will be getting grief on Twitter for their salary and I can imagine that in a year's time certain people will have left their jobs. Some people will see that as a victory, but it will only be a temporary victory.
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Post by crowblack on Jul 19, 2017 22:03:15 GMT
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Post by lynette on Jul 19, 2017 22:23:19 GMT
2 problems here 1. The amount of the salaries 2. Women not being paid same as men for same job as in the Today prog on Radio 4
I expect Claudia has clout cos Strictly is the highest audience figures for BBC ( or one of ) and this is a factor as said by bloke on Newsnight just now. It was nice watching Kirsty stopping herself from giving him a clout... We all have our faves. For me Graham Norton is worth every penny... But when you hear that a kid needs £100 a day medication to live and has to fight for it in court then I wish my licence fee would go to him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 23:02:19 GMT
I'm really surprised to hear that Gary Barlow is only earning £250,000 a year for his BBC work. I mean after tax that's just under... £250,000 a year.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jul 19, 2017 23:11:54 GMT
I'm really surprised to hear that Gary Barlow is only earning £250,000 a year for his BBC work. I mean after tax that's just under... £250,000 a year. LOLOLOLOL
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Post by infofreako on Jul 19, 2017 23:11:58 GMT
I'm really surprised to hear that Gary Barlow is only earning £250,000 a year for his BBC work. I mean after tax that's just under... £250,000 a year. Probably just over £250,000 a year when you factor in any expenses loopholes hes found
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 23:12:29 GMT
Most companies will publish what their directors earn - councils, Civil Service, Public Service pay for senior staff is published too, so I don't see what the issue with the BBC publishing these figures are. The likes of Evans, Lineker and to a lesser extent Norton are multi millionaires any way!
The BBC's main gripe is that rival broadcasters can see who gets or doesn't get what an make offers accordingly.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jul 19, 2017 23:13:24 GMT
If any political party had the appetite to privatise the Beeb or make them take adverts then £165 a year saving for people would be a big vote winner. Live in the U.S. and you soon be very glad of the T.V. License.
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Post by vdcni on Jul 19, 2017 23:26:05 GMT
If any political party had the appetite to privatise the Beeb or make them take adverts then £165 a year saving for people would be a big vote winner. Really so why has no party ever tried? The Tories would love to dismantle the BBC to make life easier for Murdoch but even they realise it remains very popular and there is no real appetite to destroy it. That means instead they do stuff like this to erode public confidence in the BBC in the same way they emphasize when the NHS has problems in order to make the argument that these institutions are out of date and can no longer be maintained all so they and their friends can make more money out of all of us. They go on and on about the BBC but when is one of them going to raise the issue of tax dodgers like the owner of the Daily Mail a much bigger threat to public funds.
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Post by CG on the loose on Jul 19, 2017 23:27:38 GMT
We can't really see what is happening because as said above some are paid through production companies. It does seem a bit murky to me trawling through other people's earnings but then if they get our dosh via the licence fee then I suppose we are entitled to know. So does anyone know what the 'lower' ranks earn, the reporters like that gloomy girl in the flak jacket and the brilliant one who reports on Russian affairs? They seem to me to be the real talent of the BBC. I think this revelation will make them all decide to go through production companies and other channels to be paid and then we will never know! Re BIB, I'm not really sure we are... you could say the same of anything we pay for. Does paying for a meal in a restaurant entitle us to know the chef's wages, or the owner of the restaurant, or the Chief Exec of the hotel chain it's part of? The law requires disclosure of data that will highlight gender gap (numbers of people of each gender in each pay band), but not the naming of names. I too find it murky. Also, as many have already said, this disclosure is only half (if that) of the BBC story and made in isolation. With no comparable disclosures from the commercial sector, and a lack of like for like comparability within the data that HAS been disclosed, it is pretty meaningless. Yes, there's some big numbers in there, but there are in every industry/sector - big doesn't automatically equal overpaid. We live in a market economy. Does anyone think that the ensemble in a show should all earn the same as the leads? That all leads should be paid the same, regardless of experience, talent, box office draw, size of production, venue, etc? Why is this any different? The Beeb pays less than the commercial sector, but if we demand high quality programming from it, they must do what they can to secure and retain talent. What does concern me is the gender and ethnicity pay gaps and they clearly have some work to do there. But again, they are hardly unique in that. I confess I'm in something of a grump today for reasons totally disconnected with this subject, but I'm really getting quite hacked off with all the indignant shouts of "how much?" I'll shut up now - and lynette, none of the above is aimed at you, you just inadvertently lit the blue touch paper ;-)
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Post by vdcni on Jul 19, 2017 23:28:13 GMT
Most companies will publish what their directors earn - councils, Civil Service, Public Service pay for senior staff is published too, so I don't see what the issue with the BBC publishing these figures are. The likes of Evans, Lineker and to a lesser extent Norton are multi millionaires any way! The BBC's main gripe is that rival broadcasters can see who gets or doesn't get what an make offers accordingly. Yes which potentially could lead to inflation of salaries. What a genius move from the government. But then this isn't about transparency this is about trying to erode public trust in the BBC.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 23:35:32 GMT
For those trying to claim that the BBC should be unique in doing this because 'public money', where do you think ITV, Sky etc get their funds from? Subscriptions from....the public. Advertisers who make their money from......the public. Etc. Every single product and service is, in the end, paid for by public money, or maybe the complainers actually do think there is a magic money tree.
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Post by CG on the loose on Jul 19, 2017 23:40:56 GMT
If any political party had the appetite to privatise the Beeb or make them take adverts then £165 a year saving for people would be a big vote winner. It might be, but things that are vote winners are not always a good thing and vice versa. It's clearly having the desired effect, publishing these salaries. I'm sure certain people will be getting grief on Twitter for their salary and I can imagine that in a year's time certain people will have left their jobs. Some people will see that as a victory, but it will only be a temporary victory. ... to go to higher paid jobs with broadcasters who won't disclose their salaries. As you say, a temporary victory.
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