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Post by Tibidabo on Jul 8, 2017 16:06:27 GMT
Why why why if you have a ticket for centre court or court one would you be looking at your phone and not the players? Court 1 at the moment - hundreds of empty seats and the ones with people in are not even watching. Funny old world.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 8, 2017 16:22:13 GMT
Wow, I always thought my great line was high in any sport classic pub conversation. But that is exceptionally high.
Only 22 men ever won at least six slams. Three surfaces means you need to have won in Paris. Of those 22 only 12 won the French Open.
You saying Sampras, Connors, McEnroe, Edberg and Becker are not great?
And then you have made no concession that Murray has played in an era with three of the greatest ever. I reckon his three is comparable to (at least) six in another era.
I deliberately said there is no right or wrong answer to avoid a conversation like this. You clearly have your opinion and that's great I'm not going to answer to your points though, sorry. Agreed, why the sporting greatest debate has been happening over a beer for years
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 8, 2017 16:24:46 GMT
I don't agree that today's players are the best ever - Sampras, Borg, Connors, McEnroe, Becker, Edberg, etc. etc are equally great I think. I'm of the not so 'great' camp when describing Murray. He's not feared for anything. I think you need something, be it a serve, forehand, backhand, athleticism, return, consistency, inconsistency(! I think I mean unpredictability here, like McEnroe or Becker) or something that other players genuinely fear to be truly great. I honestly don't think he brings the top players to a quivering jelly at the thought of facing him. I keep seeing large groups of empty seats. Annoying. His return stats are better than Nadal, hard task master you are
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Post by Tibidabo on Jul 8, 2017 16:27:39 GMT
His return stats are better than Nadal, hard task master you are ....but Nadal's serve and backhand are better (I'm guessing here...not looking at stats, life's too short lol!) Anyway, whatever Murray's return stats, he's not in Connors' league. Now there was a returner to make you tremble into your Nikes!
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 8, 2017 16:34:48 GMT
His return stats are better than Nadal, hard task master you are ....but Nadal's serve and backhand are better (I'm guessing here...not looking at stats, life's too short lol!) Anyway, whatever Murray's return stats, he's not in Connors' league. Now there was a returner to make you tremble into your Nikes! We were talking about Murray though and his strengths. I think Nadal is the best ever. Took athleticism to new levels. His wrist action to give the amount of top spin on his forehand are phenomenal and never been seen before. Love revolutions in sport me. And he became the best when the previous best ever was in his pomp. Yeah I reckon Nadal scores higher than most on most of your criteria
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Post by Phantom of London on Jul 8, 2017 18:19:31 GMT
But let's call it as it is though, Andy will be remembered as a great not for his tennis, but for his nationality Don't often disagree with you Phantom but that is wildly wrong, putting it down to you posting in the middle of the night. But winning three grand slams when three of the greatest ever players are his generation. Murray is a brilliant tennis player I like Andy and think he is brilliant, not a Scottish thing, merely mean 'nationality' as first British player to win since 1938.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jul 8, 2017 18:24:33 GMT
I don't agree that today's players are the best ever - Sampras, Borg, Connors, McEnroe, Becker, Edberg, etc. etc are equally great I think. I'm of the not so 'great' camp when describing Murray. He's not feared for anything. I think you need something, be it a serve, forehand, backhand, athleticism, return, consistency, inconsistency(! I think I mean unpredictability here, like McEnroe or Becker) or something that other players genuinely fear to be truly great. I honestly don't think he brings the top players to a quivering jelly at the thought of facing him. I keep seeing large groups of empty seats. Annoying. I don't agree with Becker is personality is more famous than his tennis. Borg yes is great, but also a complete bore to watch, just like Sampras. Edberg, Connors and McEnroe were pure class and all had a certain finesse.
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Post by Dawnstar on Jul 8, 2017 18:28:44 GMT
Most swimmers seem to be past their best by their mid to late 20s. Dancers too, alas. I don't know. Most of the Royal Ballet stars seem to dance till mid-30s or later (much later if it's Alessandra Ferri!).
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Post by d'James on Jul 8, 2017 18:29:12 GMT
Don't often disagree with you Phantom but that is wildly wrong, putting it down to you posting in the middle of the night. But winning three grand slams when three of the greatest ever players are his generation. Murray is a brilliant tennis player I like Andy and think he is brilliant, not a Scottish thing, merely mean 'nationality' as first British player to win since 1938. *British male
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Post by Tibidabo on Jul 8, 2017 19:02:08 GMT
I don't agree with Becker is personality is more famous than his tennis. Becker for me deserves the title 'great' if for nothing else winning Wimbledon, unseeded, at 17 in the modern era. I doubt we'll see that again in our lifetime.
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Post by CG on the loose on Jul 8, 2017 22:07:43 GMT
I like Andy and think he is brilliant, not a Scottish thing, merely mean 'nationality' as first British player to win since 1938. *British male *British male Singles player
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Post by lynette on Jul 9, 2017 14:43:01 GMT
I don't agree with Becker is personality is more famous than his tennis. Becker for me deserves the title 'great' if for nothing else winning Wimbledon, unseeded, at 17 in the modern era. I doubt we'll see that again in our lifetime. I expect I'm not the only one who was watching the telly when Becker like a tornado struck Wimbledon. He went for every ball, every one. By the way, don't Australians play tennis these days? Oh, that guy who whinged, yes, but is there anyone else? When people criticise Old Ma Murray I always think of how she was a Dunblaine mum.
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Post by d'James on Jul 9, 2017 16:37:55 GMT
Becker for me deserves the title 'great' if for nothing else winning Wimbledon, unseeded, at 17 in the modern era. I doubt we'll see that again in our lifetime. I expect I'm not the only one who was watching the telly when Becker like a tornado struck Wimbledon. He went for every ball, every one. By the way, don't Australians play tennis these days? Oh, that guy who whinged, yes, but is there anyone else? When people criticise Old Ma Murray I always think of how she was a Dunblaine mum. The one who knocked Andy out at Queens seemed lovely. Jordan Thompson I think. I really don't like Nick Kyrgios or Bernard Tomic (his Dad's even worse).
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Post by lynette on Jul 10, 2017 14:50:23 GMT
I watched that 'Our Wimbledon' programme. Apart from obviously being just a mash up of old footage and old ideas ( you can NOT be serious) I thought it was a bit too much Sue Barker. I like her; she is a good presenter, does her homework and so on, but I would have liked to have heard more from one or two about how tennis treated women in the past though this was touched on with Billy Jean a little. And they could have interviewed a few losers! I dunno, just seemed like a lost opportunity.
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Post by Tibidabo on Jul 10, 2017 14:56:06 GMT
What channel is it on lynette ? Can't find it on iplayer.
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Post by d'James on Jul 10, 2017 14:57:59 GMT
I think I need one of Dolores Umbridge's 'special' quills so I can write 'I must support Andy Murray,' as I keep forgetting. Haha.
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Post by vdcni on Jul 10, 2017 15:14:30 GMT
I watched that 'Our Wimbledon' programme. Apart from obviously being just a mash up of old footage and old ideas ( you can NOT be serious) I thought it was a bit too much Sue Barker. I like her; she is a good presenter, does her homework and so on, but I would have liked to have heard more from one or two about how tennis treated women in the past though this was touched on with Billy Jean a little. And they could have interviewed a few losers! I dunno, just seemed like a lost opportunity. It was a bit interview dependent - old footage and no new interviews from Martina or Serena and nothing from Graf at all so that didn't help the male/female balance. I actually liked Sue in this - she bought her own relationship to the place with her, particularly regarding Murray & Laver which prevented it being just a run through of familiar stories - how many times do we need to hear the McEnroe/Borg tiebreak stuff. I was much more interested to hear from Becker, Sampras, King and Evert as we don't hear their stories as often.
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Post by d'James on Jul 10, 2017 15:17:43 GMT
I really enjoyed the documentary but I think it should've been a series so they could've interviewed more people for longer.
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Post by Tibidabo on Jul 10, 2017 16:52:27 GMT
Oh my heavens! I was watching Poldark (seeing as no one will tell me where to find the Wimbledon documentary ) and when it finished Wimbledon came on and.....Nadal....what? This is serious and my stupid Sky signal is pixilating in and out.....
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Post by d'James on Jul 10, 2017 16:58:12 GMT
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Post by Phantom of London on Jul 10, 2017 17:04:03 GMT
I don't agree with Becker is personality is more famous than his tennis. Becker for me deserves the title 'great' if for nothing else winning Wimbledon, unseeded, at 17 in the modern era. I doubt we'll see that again in our lifetime. Also the first male German to win Wimbledon, I remember when he burst on the scene and announced his arrival, however he never lived up to his star billing though. As much as I like Becker he is a bankrupt, who spends his time at card tables instead of paying his debtors Another great player was Agassi, very understated.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jul 10, 2017 17:05:07 GMT
Predictable I just got in from work as Murray won. I thought they would have him playing an evening game, when it's cooler.
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Post by Tibidabo on Jul 10, 2017 17:07:39 GMT
Thank you d'James - I was searching for Our Wimbledon without the Sue Barker bit in front. Maybe a glimmer of hope for Nadal...
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Post by theatremadness on Jul 10, 2017 17:28:11 GMT
Another good game for Murray, I think Paire showing his frustration rubbed off on Murray as he started doing it, too! No surprise, Paire played some incredible shots, though many backfired and Murray gave as good as he got. The match certainly was not as easy as the score looks like it should've been!
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Post by Tibidabo on Jul 10, 2017 18:06:55 GMT
How are your nerves holding up d'James ?
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Post by d'James on Jul 10, 2017 18:08:06 GMT
How are your nerves holding up d'James ? They're not lol. I've got a three hour car journey ahead of me but I can't drag myself away from the match.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 10, 2017 18:23:33 GMT
Come on Rafa
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Post by d'James on Jul 10, 2017 19:36:45 GMT
Sadface for Rafa. At least he can take me to dinner now. Not as posh a dinner as if he'd won but still. Don't know who that random woman was sitting in his box . . . ;-)
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Post by theatremadness on Jul 10, 2017 19:40:05 GMT
Wow.....what extraordinary tennis!!!!
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Post by Tibidabo on Jul 10, 2017 19:54:01 GMT
Don't know who that random woman was sitting in his box . . Oh. You spotted me then....
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