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Post by kathryn on Jun 12, 2017 16:29:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 16:30:37 GMT
It's pathetic.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 12, 2017 17:00:18 GMT
Surely commercial freedom is also a thing. If you believe your brand would be tarnished by the nature of a project that you have supported financial, then it is within the rights of the company to withdraw their support.
We don't know the sort of contractual arrangements between the sponsors and the Festival - or any undertakings/indications as to the type of shows being produced with the sponsorship - so we should not rush to judgement.
Theatre has every right to challenge and be provocative - but business has every right not to pay for it.
Given the limited evidence from that article, it feels like an over-reaction on the part of two sponsors but not a massively reprehensible one. The Trump setting just feels lazy and cheap - but without seeing the production, it is impossible to judge how well it works with the text.
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Post by d'James on Jun 12, 2017 17:04:53 GMT
Interesting. Piers Morgan is going on about it on Twitter. (I don't follow him but others are quoting his tweets.)
As said above, the setting of this is a bit too easy and just trying to be provocative.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 17:18:39 GMT
I know this may be a bit morbid and I am sorry if I offend anyone but do you think we could get a re-write and revival of Assasins in the future ( there has already been an attempt one they could work in so I am not being to morbid)
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Post by Jon on Jun 12, 2017 17:19:49 GMT
It's interesting that Bank of America is only withdrawing sponsoring the production rather than the theatre itself whereas Delta is withdrawing as a sponsor of the theatre. I'm sure The Public will be able to find another sponsor to fill the gap left by Delta.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 17:43:16 GMT
Is the moral of the story that killing JC turned out to be a good move? My recollection is that it was a bit more complicated than that...
But makes me think that there's a good election 2017 Shakespeare to be done. Maybe Lady Macbeth stabbing herself?
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Post by kathryn on Jun 12, 2017 17:48:34 GMT
Surely commercial freedom is also a thing. If you believe your brand would be tarnished by the nature of a project that you have supported financial, then it is within the rights of the company to withdraw their support.. Absolutely they do - but what does that imply for theatremakers? We've seen an increasing reliance on commercial sponsorship over the years. If sponsoring a ticket-access scheme means that the brand has to be concerned about the content of the play reflecting on them - rather than taking the view that it's always good for the brand to be associated with artistic philanthropy and expression - do theatremakers start to self-censor? It's not like productions of Shakespeare (or other classic plays!) with contemporary political references are anything new. We've all seen productions make those references.
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Post by jadnoop on Jun 12, 2017 18:37:29 GMT
If sponsoring a ticket-access scheme means that the brand has to be concerned about the content of the play reflecting on them - rather than taking the view that it's always good for the brand to be associated with artistic philanthropy and expression - do theatremakers start to self-censor?. But that happens already. I'm sure there are a small number of truly socially conscious companies, or artistic companies that don't care at all about publicity/ funding at all. However, the reality is that all these decisions will be made predominantly with a view to how it affects the bottom line. That's both from the prospective sponsor's perspective (i.e. "Do we sponsor this show, or that show? Which one will appeal to our demographic, or open a new customer-base, or give us the best tax cut, or ...?") but also the theatre company's ("do we want this star, or is he too expensive? Do we advertise in this way or that way? Do we get that company to sponsor our premiere or that one?" and on and on). After all, if the sponsor wasn't interested in personal gain, they could simply donate anonymously. I'm not saying that good intentions don't play a part at all, or that it's a good thing, just that at the end of the day it's still a business decision for both parties.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 18:38:42 GMT
They have displayed a stunning inability to separate fiction from reality, no undertanding of the purpose of the arts, and no small amount of cowardice and childishness with this decision - Delta in particular in withdrawing from the theatre as a whole.
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Post by lynette on Jun 12, 2017 22:00:47 GMT
Sorry, too tired to read article but am I to understand that the JC in this show is dressed like Trump etc or are they making a critical judgement about the role as written by our Willy?. Either way, pathetic.
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Post by kathryn on Jun 12, 2017 23:49:56 GMT
Dressed like Trump with a wig, a gold bathtub, and a wife with a foreign accent and designer clothes.
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Post by hal9000 on Jun 13, 2017 0:10:26 GMT
Would it be too much to hope for that Delta may reinvest the JC $$$ into maintaining their shoddy airline?
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Post by profquatermass on Jun 13, 2017 9:03:14 GMT
Didn't the Adrian Lester Henry V use video footage of Bush?
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Post by bellboard27 on Jun 13, 2017 12:04:49 GMT
With Delta sponsoring a theatre I'm surprised we've not heard stories of audience members being ejected from their seats and kicked out just before a show starts due to overbooking.
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Post by joem on Jun 13, 2017 17:48:12 GMT
Isn't part of the problem that some theatre-makers want too much money and therefore sponsorshp rather than desirable becomes essential? I am of course not talking about the people on Equity minimum but some of the startling prices for straight plays with small casts and little or no scenery leads me to suspect that some actors are making loadsamoney.
Some of them go on to complain about the high cost of theatre tickets.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 11:48:29 GMT
I occasionally attend West End theatres and pay their exorbitant prices. But I always feel it's a slightly distasteful activity - it usually makes me feel a bit grubby to have participated in this commercial world. It would almost always be morally preferable to attend a theatre charging far less, and seeking far lower commercial profits, and to use our money to support grassroots theatre activity.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2017 5:11:21 GMT
Michael CooperVerified account @coopnytimesUnusual night at Shakespeare in the Park @publictheaterny for "Julius Caesar." I was there. Here's what happened. Heavy police presence outside the Delacorte Theater. Two guys were protesting the show, one had a "Boo the Cast" sign. They were outnumbered by pro-show counter-protesters, one of whom had a "Make America Literate Again" sign... Right after the Trump-like Caesar was assassinated, a woman with blond hair, dressed in black, rushed the stage "Stop the normalization of political violence against the right," she cried, stopping the show. A voice called for security. A young man seemed to be filming her on his phone. When she was ushered out he stood and told the audience "You are all Goebbels!" A voice, presumably of the stage manager, gave the cast their cue: she told them to pick up at "Liberty! Freedom!" The audience cheered. But the woman's screams outside the theater could be heard through the next scene. Before the funeral scene, this production has the outraged Plebeians come from the seats of the audience. Each time one got up... With a (planned) outburst, you could feel the audience tense up. And the staged mob scenes led to higher adrenaline levels than usual. When the show ended -- badly for the conspirators! -- the audience cheered the cast heartily. Here's the @jwpetersnyt story on one of the protesters, Jack Posobiec , a pizzagate conspiracy theorist www.nytimes.com/2017/06/10/us/politics/comey-fake-news-twitterposobiec.html … Contrary to what he wrote on Twitter, I heard *no one* in the audience cheer when Caesar was slain.
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Post by kathryn on Jun 17, 2017 10:57:21 GMT
Well of course no-one cheers. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of the play knows it's *a bad thing*.
Been chuckling/despairing this morning at a conservative on Twitter saying he's going to hold a production of The Salem Witch Trials where Hilary is burned at the stake.
It seems he's never seen The Crucible.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2017 12:04:55 GMT
They should copy what happened and redo it every night.
There is, of course, a long history of Shakespeare being used for insurrectionary purposes, starting with the Earl of Essex and his failed rebellion, the day after a performance of Richard II was put on at The Globe that he'd paid for. More recently, in the last gasp of the eighties, the role of Hamlet in the fall of Ceaucescu is well documented.
Assassins is being remounted by Encores in New York in July. You can guess what the response will be....
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Post by kathryn on Jun 17, 2017 12:52:15 GMT
Assassins is being remounted by Encores in New York in July. You can guess what the response will be.... *crickets*
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Post by WireHangers on Jun 17, 2017 14:58:35 GMT
Personally, I think having the play feature a Trump type character is a great idea. I'd love to see Jesus Christ Superstar with a Jeremy Corbyn type figure as Jesus, Trump and May as Caiphas and Annus, Boris Johnson as Herod.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2017 20:18:54 GMT
Apparently the Trump crowd have decided the playwright is to blame.... www.broadwayworld.com/article/Shakespeare-Theatres-Across-Country-Receive-Hate-Mail-Sparked-by-The-Publics-JULIUS-CAESAR-20170617"Shakespeare & Company in Lenox, Massachusetts received a letter wishing them 'the worst possible life you could have and hope you all get sick and die.' Meanwhile Shakespeare Dallas has a collection including one hoping the theatre staff will be 'sent to ISIS to be killed with real knives.' Representatives of the affected theatres have various theories as to why the hate mail is coming to them instead of The Public. Raphael Parry of Shakespeare Dallas says, "They're just doing a general Google search. When you Google 'Shakespeare in the Park' in the Texas region, our name pops up first, and they just go to town."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2017 20:21:13 GMT
Apparently the Trump crowd have decided the playwright is to blame.... www.broadwayworld.com/article/Shakespeare-Theatres-Across-Country-Receive-Hate-Mail-Sparked-by-The-Publics-JULIUS-CAESAR-20170617"Shakespeare & Company in Lenox, Massachusetts received a letter wishing them 'the worst possible life you could have and hope you all get sick and die.' Meanwhile Shakespeare Dallas has a collection including one hoping the theatre staff will be 'sent to ISIS to be killed with real knives.' Representatives of the affected theatres have various theories as to why the hate mail is coming to them instead of The Public. Raphael Parry of Shakespeare Dallas says, "They're just doing a general Google search. When you Google 'Shakespeare in the Park' in the Texas region, our name pops up first, and they just go to town." F****** morons.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2017 22:03:30 GMT
It's only a matter of time before they demand that Shakespeare is banned from entering the United States.
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