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Post by d'James on Feb 15, 2016 19:08:27 GMT
I think the problem is it just didn't work. Whether or not she found it funny herself, the audience didn't because it was an inside joke and/or his delivery was off.
Also his response is very annoying. He should have just said said, sorry if people thought I was insulting but she's a friend etc. and not been so defensive.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 19:38:52 GMT
It might be hard not to get defensive if thousands of people on Twitter are @ing you in unpleasant messages, though.
He was making a joke and, as happens sometimes with jokes, not everybody found it funny. (Though for what it's worth, I think the fact a winning costume designer turned up to an awards ceremony having made no discernible effort with her outfit is pretty amusing.)
He's also right that the professionally outraged are throwing their weight around far too much, on social media and elsewhere. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but that lot tend to band together into a cadre of bullies against whoever they've decided is the target that day, and it's very unedifying. Especially since most of the time they've taken something completely out of context.
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Post by longinthetooth on Feb 15, 2016 19:57:02 GMT
The way I saw it, simply, was a very rude comment about a BAFTA winner (who, let's be honest, was not exactly dressed for the occasion, either by accident or design, who knows?). I would guess that 99.99% of viewers were not in on the fact that Stephen Fry and Jenny Beavan were good friends and it was an 'in joke', so he can hardly have been surprised when Twitter took off. He responded with an expletive ridden rant, before flouncing off Twitter yet again. I don't see that mental health is an issue here - just another Luvvie throwing a strop.
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Post by d'James on Feb 15, 2016 20:04:04 GMT
His tone and response are going to get people's backs up more though, that bit should've been obvious to him. He should've waited until today to respond probably. Then to delete his Twitter or suspend it, is very petulant.
Just delete the app. for a week, let it all die down and move on. This way he's just drawn more attention to himself and the comment.
I did gasp when he said it but I probably would've forgotten about it by now, but he has prolonged the whole thing. Also, in this case, if he'd given a bit of context rather than expecting us to just think it's automatically hilarious because it's him, we would've avoided this whole load of nonsense. If he'd said '... bag lady. Fantastic woman/I love that woman,' we wouldn't even be talking about it now.
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Post by kathryn on Feb 15, 2016 20:20:35 GMT
It might be hard not to get defensive if thousands of people on Twitter are @ing you in unpleasant messages, though. He was making a joke and, as happens sometimes with jokes, not everybody found it funny. (Though for what it's worth, I think the fact a winning costume designer turned up to an awards ceremony having made no discernible effort with her outfit is pretty amusing.) . I think the problem was that it was ad libbed. If it had been written into the script then some thought would have gone into making it clearer to the audience that it was banter between friends. I was reminded of his introduction of Emma Thompson a couple of years ago, which was over-the-top ridiculously insulting and she responded to by saying how touched she was! It's pretty hard, when people are frothing at you on the Internet, to have the discipline to walk away and let it all cool down. I'm pretty sure all of us here have got into an Internet argument we regretted at some point over something really quite petty. |
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Post by d'James on Feb 15, 2016 20:28:20 GMT
Yeah. If we'd actually seen her reaction it would've been better. Apparently there's a picture of them at the after party, so obviously there's no hard feelings. Maybe he apologised first. We'll never know.
Next year, hopefully he'll learn how to deliver those lines better, although he'd have to admit he made a mistake first.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 9:31:13 GMT
Well all he needed to have said was "only my dear friend, one of the greatest cinema costume designers blah blah blah" to have made it clear that she wouldn't have been offended. If indeed, she wasn't offended. I haven't seen her rushing to Stephen Fry's defence to be honest.
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Post by Steve on Feb 16, 2016 10:28:07 GMT
Well all he needed to have said was "only my dear friend, one of the greatest cinema costume designers blah blah blah" to have made it clear that she wouldn't have been offended. If indeed, she wasn't offended. I haven't seen her rushing to Stephen Fry's defence to be honest. First, comedians working in the moment, trying to get laughs, by thinking up surprising correlations, do not always get every word right. As long as they are not Bernard Manning, actively peddling bigotry, I prefer to cut them some slack. Second, she defended him, but wants to protect him by not saying too much, so the furore dies down quicker: www.independent.co.uk/news/people/stephen-fry-bafta-joke-award-winner-jenny-beavan-absolutely-not-upset-over-bag-lady-joke-a6876141.html |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 16, 2016 10:40:08 GMT
If they wanted the furore to die down quicker then he could have helped by:
Not flouncing off Twitter
Not writing a lengthy blog entry about flouncing off Twitter yesterday
Not announcing this morning his departure from these troubled shores to live in LA and his plans to apply for a green card.
One cannot help thinking that Mr Fry is waiting for the chorus of "don't leave us!" from his fans. Either that, or he's just a media whore with an insatiable appetite for publicity.
Is there a book due to come out or something?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 11:37:01 GMT
Did you see the Beeb programme last night about bipolar disorder? It featured Fry amongst others, talking about their experiences of the condition. Sheds quite a bit of light on this, I think.
Given that Fry's diagnosis has worsened in the last few years, and that he's previously attempted suicide, I really think Beavan is right to try to draw a line under it and the media/social media should ease up a bit.
I'm sure with the benefit of a little time, Fry will take a more proportional view of the whole thing too.
Let's face it, there are far worse things being said about women in the entertainment industry every day - and they're not even jokes. We should probably be worrying a bit more about those!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2023 11:46:38 GMT
The Ariana DeBose number last evening was quite cringe-worthy. I thought her Tony Award pefforts were overrated and this sealed it for me.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Feb 20, 2023 11:49:22 GMT
I mean the song was atrocious and there's that much she could do about it. As for the awards, it was nice to see Western Front doing so well after the Golden Globe virtual snub, although I wish somebody else had won best actor, even just to get a break from the Elvis impersonator.
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Post by alessia on Feb 20, 2023 13:09:52 GMT
Hilarious how Cate Blanchett was pretending to be surprised that she'd won. For such a great actress, she wasn't convincing lol. Haven't seen Elvis OR All Quiet but interesting that they both won so much. I keep meaning to watch All Quiet but I'm never in the mood for horrible war scenes when at home in front of the tv.
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Post by mkb on Feb 20, 2023 13:42:32 GMT
Unlike a lot of people on Twitter, I didn't have a problem with Alison Hammond's contribution. What was completely off though was taking her backstage interviews, which would have worked fine as a separate follow-up programme after the ceremony, and editing them in between individual awards.
Richard E Grant's script needed work. The jokes were weak.
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Post by mkb on Feb 20, 2023 13:54:08 GMT
I had to Google The Good Nurse and Blonde. Somehow they had escaped my attention. I'm not sure they were even released at any cinemas near me.
Similarly I was disappointed that the very limited screenings of All Quiet on the Western Front here were during a week I was abroad. I happened to be staying in a hotel with Netflix access last weekend, so saw it then, and it was painfully obvious that this is a movie that needs to be seen with attention uninterrupted on a big screen. I might have liked it more had I been able to do that.
It's very good but not great (four stars), and is spoiled by a sci-fi style, industrial score that jars and distracts. Winning the BAFTA for best score is hilarious.
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Post by alicechallice on Feb 20, 2023 14:14:50 GMT
I had to Google The Good Nurse and Blonde. Somehow they had escaped my attention. I'm not sure they were even released at any cinemas near me. Similarly I was disappointed that the very limited screenings of All Quiet on the Western Front here were during a week I was abroad. I happened to be staying in a hotel with Netflix access last weekend, so saw it then, and it was painfully obvious that this is a movie that needs to be seen with attention uninterrupted on a big screen. I might have liked it more had I been able to do that. It's very good but not great (four stars), and is spoiled by a sci-fi style, industrial score that jars and distracts. Winning the BAFTA for best score is hilarious. The Good Nurse and Blonde were also both Netflix. |
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Post by Marwood on Feb 20, 2023 15:54:17 GMT
I’m happy that The Banshees of Inisherin did so well (haven’t got Netflix so haven’t seen All Quiet… so can’t say if it deserved to win) but in the Best Actor category , Bill Nighy, and to a lesser extent Colin Farrell were robbed, I’ve seen Elvis and Austin Butler was the weakest thing about it. Father Ted did a much better portrayal of Elvis (and the three ages too, none of this finishing before we get to see him ending his days on the toilet)
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Post by mkb on Feb 20, 2023 16:36:58 GMT
I had to Google The Good Nurse and Blonde. Somehow they had escaped my attention. I'm not sure they were even released at any cinemas near me. Similarly I was disappointed that the very limited screenings of All Quiet on the Western Front here were during a week I was abroad. I happened to be staying in a hotel with Netflix access last weekend, so saw it then, and it was painfully obvious that this is a movie that needs to be seen with attention uninterrupted on a big screen. I might have liked it more had I been able to do that. It's very good but not great (four stars), and is spoiled by a sci-fi style, industrial score that jars and distracts. Winning the BAFTA for best score is hilarious. The Good Nurse and Blonde were also both Netflix. I know, but I believe they have to have had a cinema release somewhere in the UK in order to qualify for the film awards. (Is that still true?) In previous years, I have known some films get an unannounced and unmarketed one-week-only run at my local Showcase in Coventry, and nowhere else in the country. Often this was in advance of an official release the following year. The whole purpose was to qualify for the next awards season. I have come across it happening at other cinemas too, typically low-profile ones with a lot of screens, where this short advance release can be largely hidden. It's less common now, because US and UK release dates tend to align, so you don't get the scenario where a film qualifies for the Oscars one year and the Baftas a year later, which is what this advance release tries to avoid. |
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Post by distantcousin on Feb 20, 2023 16:51:31 GMT
The Ariana DeBose number last evening was quite cringe-worthy. I thought her Tony Award pefforts were overrated and this sealed it for me. Truly awful, and she was out of tune for most of it.
Who approved this performance?!
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Post by distantcousin on Feb 20, 2023 16:52:43 GMT
Unlike a lot of people on Twitter, I didn't have a problem with Alison Hammond's contribution. What was completely off though was taking her backstage interviews, which would have worked fine as a separate follow-up programme after the ceremony, and editing them in between individual awards. Richard E Grant's script needed work. The jokes were weak.
Yes, I worked on the Awards and the ceremony actually took place from 6pm til 9pm, so there was some very clever fast editing going on.
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Post by mkb on Feb 20, 2023 17:08:25 GMT
I was surprised Andrea Riseborough did not even manage a Leading Actress nomination for To Leslie. For me, she pips Cate Blanchett if you're going solely on merit.
To Leslie was another movie that popped up for one week in November at the Empire Haymarket in London, presumably to qualify for the Baftas. It then got a very limited outing on the art-house circuit a few weeks later iirc. Annoyingly, it was scheduled for the Empire's lovely (and huge) screen 1 -- one of the most underrated screens in London -- but had to be moved to screen 3 because of unspecified problems that shut screen 1 for a few weeks.
People on here may be familiar with screen 1, as it was the home of Kneehigh's Brief Encounter in London. They replaced the screen with a much larger, slightly curved one after that run.
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Post by alessia on Feb 20, 2023 17:47:43 GMT
To Leslie- I went to see the 1 showing at my local Everyman, on a Thursday evening (me and the other 6 people in the room lol) I really rate AR's performance, she was brilliant- wouldn't say as good as CB but close! She definitely ought to have at least be nominated, if Michelle Yeoh and Emma Thompson were.
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Post by peggysue on Feb 20, 2023 18:05:29 GMT
I’ve seen the Elvis film and thoroughly enjoyed it. Austen Butler was brilliant and deserved his best actor award. Unfortunately couldn’t say the same for The Banshees of Inisherin as I was totally bored throughout.
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Post by crabtree on Feb 20, 2023 18:27:22 GMT
Awards dos like this are always grim, unless you win. Years ago there was a trend for BAFTA to do a modern dance interpretation of the five nominated best films. I'm still scarred by such a dance for the Last of the Mohicans. But the frocks, absurd
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Post by justfran on Feb 20, 2023 20:26:07 GMT
Overall I enjoyed the Baftas last night. Richard E Grant was clearly nervous towards the beginning but settled in and he always comes across as a genuinely nice person. Most of the winners were quite predictable and it can get a bit boring seeing the same people/films "sweeping the board" across all of the award ceremonies so I was glad that Austin Butler won for Elvis. I've seen the film a couple of times now and he is brilliant in the role (as good, if not better than, Rami Malek and Taron Egerton in similar biopic roles in recent years). Whilst I liked The Banshees of Inisherin and Colin Farrell's performance, I don't think he will be too disappointed at missing out on one award this year. In terms of live music at the awards ceremony, why not have performances of songs from films that year since at least there's a link so wouldn't seem so random.
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