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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 28, 2017 6:42:20 GMT
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 28, 2017 6:44:12 GMT
Next time you hear an Elphaba riffing the sh*t out of something, just stick with the jazz hands please.
🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 7:52:54 GMT
f***ing hell these people are parasites. The fact that deaf people do not see themselves as disabled makes this even more creepy. I find if f***ed up that in a world that is being swept with right wing nationalism that this is how left wing students respond - STOP CLAPPING UR EVIL. f*** this sh*tty world
(Sidenote - 'jazz hands' is how deaf people 'clap')
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Post by bellboard27 on Apr 28, 2017 8:00:58 GMT
Wouldn't jazz hands exclude blind people?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 8:08:48 GMT
Ok I'm on the board of a theatre company that specialises in inclusive theatre, and particularly does a lot of work with D/deaf performers and audiences. Never once has the notion to stop people clapping, or indeed whooping ever come up. In fact it's a very reflection of inclusivity that audiences do both "jazz hands" for the BSL version of clapping and vocalise their enjoyment.
As someone who also used to work in disablity support for a University this NUS response makes me want to scream in a very not silent manner, while making gesture that is definatly NOT jazz hands.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 8:14:21 GMT
Funnily enough, I was the Elected LGBT Officer for my University 2 years running (first time ever, thank you every much!) and represented my University at two NUS National Conferences and in the big Committee meetings, you had to do the jazz hands and no cheering at the end of speeches because it was more inclusive and apparently cheering for someone was a trigger for people who may have anxiety. To be honest, it all felt a bit too awkward having someone do a passionate speech and silence.
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Post by infofreako on Apr 28, 2017 8:22:39 GMT
My experience with NUS officials is that they love the chance to be offended on someones behalf, they don't seem to check whether that person or group is offended or want their help first
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 8:24:41 GMT
I know I'm old and out of touch, but at some point you have to say that practically anything can be a 'trigger' for someone and there's a limit to how far you can get pretending that the world is other than it is, no matter how much you want to it to.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 8:25:52 GMT
Appreciation by jazz hands is an affront to the dyspraxic community.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 8:30:49 GMT
My experience with NUS officials is that they love the chance to be offended on someones behalf, they don't seem to check whether that person or group is offended or want their help first Completely true. It is why, having now left Uni, I have distanced myself from alot of what the NUS do. And even whi,st at University, because I really deteste and and disagree with alot of their beliefs and the way they look for any reason to argue. And also that they want you to picket and proteste stuff that really has nothing to do with the NUS at every chance. No disrespect, I am very grateful for the oppertunities and friends I have made from it, an amazing experience, but there is alot of goings on behind the scenes that I absplutely hate. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 8:56:26 GMT
It's so nice to be young and enthusiastic and want to change the world as a social justice warrior but when you're decrepit and cynical like me it does get a little wearing.
As someone else said perhaps ask the community you are so keen on protecting before you do things. Then you don't look idiotic
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Post by kathryn on Apr 28, 2017 9:51:43 GMT
Funnily enough, I was the Elected LGBT Officer for my University 2 years running (first time ever, thank you every much!) and represented my University at two NUS National Conferences and in the big Committee meetings, you had to do the jazz hands and no cheering at the end of speeches because it was more inclusive and apparently cheering for someone was a trigger for people who may have anxiety. To be honest, it all felt a bit too awkward having someone do a passionate speech and silence. Anything can be a trigger for someone who has anxiety - even going out the front door. We can't change the world to accommodate everyone who has anxiety - and it's not productive too. far better for there to be decent mental health services who can help people deal with their anxiety. That's what the NUS should be campaigning for. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 10:35:27 GMT
Funnily enough, I was the Elected LGBT Officer for my University 2 years running (first time ever, thank you every much!) and represented my University at two NUS National Conferences and in the big Committee meetings, you had to do the jazz hands and no cheering at the end of speeches because it was more inclusive and apparently cheering for someone was a trigger for people who may have anxiety. To be honest, it all felt a bit too awkward having someone do a passionate speech and silence. Anything can be a trigger for someone who has anxiety - even going out the front door. We can't change the world to accommodate everyone who has anxiety - and it's not productive too. far better for there to be decent mental health services who can help people deal with their anxiety. That's what the NUS should be campaigning for. Exactly, and it's nigh on impossible to predict what can be a trigger for both people with anxiety and PTSD related issues. You can 'warn' for all the things under the sun, but you can also get people with the most obscure phobias or triggers than reasonably it's impossible to plan for- it's just not realistic. Therefore far better to put time and energy (and money!) into support services, to allow people with real issues to be able to better cope. |
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Post by hulmeman on Apr 28, 2017 11:33:53 GMT
Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but if one were to offer appreciation by clapping, surely those people who are deaf can see it, and those people who are blind can hear it, so no one is excluded.
I should be in the United Nations me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 11:49:19 GMT
Best to fart at the same time so that the blind and deaf can smell it and not feel left out.
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Post by Mr Snow on Apr 28, 2017 11:50:13 GMT
Wouldn't jazz hands exclude blind people? I'm more worried that students doing Jazz hands will be rather too inclusive for those of us with a 'sensitive' olifactory sense. |
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Post by martin1965 on Apr 28, 2017 12:00:53 GMT
Is it April 1st?
Honest to god get a 'king grip😱😱
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Post by Dawnstar on Apr 28, 2017 16:32:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 17:13:38 GMT
What if you're not actually there? Why should you be excluded by some thoughtlessly locationist action? The absent are people too, you know.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 17:22:19 GMT
Avoiding eye contact is also, in some cultures, a sign of deference, so not looking at someone imbues that person with a higher status. The opposite of what was suggested. |
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Post by kathryn on Apr 28, 2017 17:58:31 GMT
Avoiding eye contact is also, in some cultures, a sign of deference, so not looking at someone imbues that person with a higher status. The opposite of what was suggested. Yes. So, funnily enough, judging people who don't make eye contact as racist will probably make you racist yourself, since it's mainly people from non-European cultures you'll be judging. |
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Post by duncan on Apr 28, 2017 22:54:36 GMT
Funnily enough, I was the Elected LGBT Officer for my University 2 years running (first time ever, thank you every much!) and represented my University at two NUS National Conferences and in the big Committee meetings, you had to do the jazz hands and no cheering at the end of speeches because it was more inclusive and apparently cheering for someone was a trigger for people who may have anxiety. To be honest, it all felt a bit too awkward having someone do a passionate speech and silence. I went to the NUS Conference in '95, Jim Murphy got re-elected President despite being a colossal cock, Gonch from Grange Hill was there and Arthur Scragill told me I'd have an Mi5 record for evermore just for being there. We lasted about 3 hours of bullsh*t from the Executive before going off and spending the rest of the week in the bar. Happy times and places. |
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Post by joem on Apr 29, 2017 10:57:19 GMT
There are far more people in UK who are opposed to th existence of the theatre for, for example, religious reasons than there are deaf people who go to the theatre. If every concern is to be addressed and acted upon, irrelevance of its merits, then surely this discussion on clapping, whooping, hollering or thumbs-upping is all academic? We should be closing down all the theatres.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 16:42:04 GMT
Funnily enough, I was the Elected LGBT Officer for my University 2 years running (first time ever, thank you every much!) and represented my University at two NUS National Conferences and in the big Committee meetings, you had to do the jazz hands and no cheering at the end of speeches because it was more inclusive and apparently cheering for someone was a trigger for people who may have anxiety. To be honest, it all felt a bit too awkward having someone do a passionate speech and silence. I went to the NUS Conference in '95, Jim Murphy got re-elected President despite being a colossal cock, Gonch from Grange Hill was there and Arthur Scragill told me I'd have an Mi5 record for evermore just for being there. We lasted about 3 hours of bullsh*t from the Executive before going off and spending the rest of the week in the bar. Happy times and places. Agreed, best part about NUS Conference was getting pissed. |
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Post by showgirl on Apr 29, 2017 19:22:40 GMT
Late to this thread but, going back to the whooping, I assume this is more of an MT thing? As I mainly see plays and am glad to say I've heard none there. I did however hear some whooping recently (at a musical) and it was most unnerving and unpleasant to have this chap making loud noises randomly so close to my ear - and he was the only one, too. I don't see why anyone would need to do it anyway: you can show your appreciation by clapping and if you're really enthused, you can stand (those who are able). So why whoop? It seems to me perhaps to be more about the person doing it than the performance s/he is ostensibly commending.
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