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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 17:46:09 GMT
I disagree that Andy's performance is nowhere near as good as Ben's. I think it's slightly (slightly!) better. And I'm not saying this because I dislike DEH, because I've never been one of the big Groundhog Day fans either. But I think though I wouldn't wish Ben to change anything about his performance because it works, it's the easier performance to impress with. Whereas I think Andy's character is very hard to make likable as well as engaging considering he's doing the same things over and over, but he completely pulls it off. Truthfully though, I think either is deserving and if Josh Groban wasn't category frauding it a little bit, then I'd include him too, he's truly excellent.
Ben and Bette are certainly the closest to locks but I don't think either are 100%. I would have said Bette was a couple of weeks ago but with all of this business with not performing at the Tonys, not turning up at the Drama Desks etc., it could harbour resentment. It likely wont but it could. I think though in her favour, there's no strong second place.
Rachel and Gavin certainly aren't locks. The only one I'd be shocked to see win featured actress is Kate Baldwin, just because there seems to be no buzz around her. I know a lot of people say Mary Beth Peil has no chance but she's 75, this is only her 2nd nomination, first in decades, has never won, is completely beloved and is really pulling off a great performance. I see a path for her. As for featured actor, I don't think Gavin is even close to having that one locked up. The only person that I feel definitely wont win is Mike Faist. Andrew and Brandon have the disadvantage of Falsettos being closed but they, particularly Andrew, are well loved and well known in the industry, as is Gavin. But Lucas Steele is giving the showiest performance and is who I am currently predicting. As I saw someone tweet, he pratically 'f***s the audience' and if you're into it, you're really into it.
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Post by ali973 on Jun 7, 2017 18:59:57 GMT
I swear that snutte is my spirit animal. I was reading your post and was just nodding my head in approval. Though I think Ben will win, I think Andy's performance is by far more well rounded.
Regarding Mary Beth, yes I agree with what you said, but I also think that she could win based on the committee wanting to tick off an age demographic. It gives more diversity to the winners, considering how much younger the general actors/actresses are in all categories. Most patrons of the arts/Broadway are also of a certain generation, and would want to see some representation.
Midler has it in terms of buzz and providing a delicious start vehicle show- but considering how racially diverse last year's awards were, they tend to be slightly short in diversity. So again, if they want to tick off that box, they've got Denee and Eva to chose from. I doubt Eva will win, considering the relatively low buzz Miss Saigon is getting (surprised it was nominated for best revival), so if there's anyone who can beat La Midler, it could be Denee, whose performance is maybe not as larger than life as Midler, but is beautifully understated.
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Post by madsonmelo on Jun 8, 2017 6:33:56 GMT
I think Platt and Midler are locks and we'd be fouls to believe otherwise, it's the two most talked and raved performance of this season in two really beloved shows by the Tonys, it's a given.
I'd be really surprised to see the Falsettos cast winning in featured.
Bay Jones has 1) the role 2) the buzz 3) the show. And Colella is promoting herself to death and it's the representation of a beloved ensemble and got the two pre-Tony awards (Even if they don't share voters). Also, the three of them have the same time in the industry, I guess, so no advantage in this situation. This Beth Peil talk could make sense, but Anastasia got no love and rarely does an actor wins to a show with - basically - no other nom. Also, again, you'd have to go to the 90's to see a performer win from a closed show in the musical categories.
And the main point with the boys is the fact that both got love and so they will, clearly, split the votes. Also, both Steele and Creel have hot shows right now, Steele is also the only acting nomination with a shot of win from a show that can win big and sometimes they just carried out an acting win(remember Nikki M. James/Book of Mormon or Cady Huffman/The Producers), also the flashiest role of them all.
Faist and Baldwin are fillers.
I'd bet on Platt, Midler, Bay Jones and Steele with Colella and Creel as close RU, would be surprise to see others winning (maybe not Beth Peil, but still).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 7:06:25 GMT
I think Platt and Midler are locks and we'd be fouls to believe otherwise, it's the two most talked and raved performance of this season in two really beloved shows by the Tonys, it's a given. This Beth Peil talk could make sense, but Anastasia got no love and rarely does an actor wins to a show with - basically - no other nom. Also, again, you'd have to go to the 90's to see a performer win from a closed show in the musical categories. I'd bet on Platt, Midler, Bay Jones and Steele with Colella and Creel as close RU, would be surprise to see others winning. I think this year's Oscars have ruined me, because after the biggest front runner in a decade lost Best Picture, I find it hard to believe anything/anyone is a 100% lock or a given. You do know Anastasia is still open? (And selling very well). And whilst you're right about there usually being a lack of winners in barely-nominated shows, I think that's more of a coincidence than anything else as the Tony nominating committee is a separate (and much smaller) group of people from those that vote for the winners. I would be surprised to see Peil win, but not outright shocked. If I were to bet money, I'd probably agree with the four winners you list. I'm very unsure on Creel vs. Steele, mostly because I haven't been able to see Creel's performance so I have no idea how much the love for him is down to performance versus goodwill for him as a longstanding member of the Broadway community. |
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Post by ali973 on Jun 9, 2017 1:24:30 GMT
Honestly, I'm so surprised Steele and Creel were nominated to begin with. They were both good. But that's all. Neither their roles or performances were Tony worthy as, for example, Daveed Digg's Lafayette or Andrew Rennells in Falsettos. What I thought was shocking was that Comet's supporting leading actresses were overlooked. They were all outstanding and had moments that totally stole the show- Brittain Ashford as Natacha's best friend, Amber Grey as Anatole's sister and Grace McLean as Natacha's cousin were SO. GOOD. Grey and McLean totally stole the show during Charming and My House.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 2:33:34 GMT
Honestly, I'm so surprised Steele and Creel were nominated to begin with. They were both good. But that's all. Neither their roles or performances were Tony worthy as, for example, Daveed Digg's Lafayette or Andrew Rennells in Falsettos. What I thought was shocking was that Comet's supporting leading actresses were overlooked. They were all outstanding and had moments that totally stole the show- Brittain Ashford as Natacha's best friend, Amber Grey as Anatole's sister and Grace McLean as Natacha's cousin were SO. GOOD. Grey and McLean totally stole the show during Charming and My House. If I may ask, which Supporting Actress would you of bumped out for one or two of the Comet girls? I'm guessing Kate Baldwin, who seems from what I have seen more to be swept along. |
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Post by ali973 on Jun 9, 2017 2:56:10 GMT
Kate Baldwin and Jenn Colella. Who were both superb- but I'm not sure if their performance screamed Tony Award (or any award for that matter).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 3:00:50 GMT
Agreed about swapping Colella for any of the three. Haven't seen Kate so can't comment there.
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Post by ali973 on Jun 9, 2017 3:08:37 GMT
Facebook conversation between my friend, a total theatre queen, about his thoughts after listening to the Jenn Colella character on cast recording:
"Her song is just dumb
I'm a woman who did things and flew so high!!!!
And I'm belting high!
Get it???"
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Post by madsonmelo on Jun 10, 2017 0:00:10 GMT
I think Platt and Midler are locks and we'd be fouls to believe otherwise, it's the two most talked and raved performance of this season in two really beloved shows by the Tonys, it's a given. This Beth Peil talk could make sense, but Anastasia got no love and rarely does an actor wins to a show with - basically - no other nom. Also, again, you'd have to go to the 90's to see a performer win from a closed show in the musical categories. I'd bet on Platt, Midler, Bay Jones and Steele with Colella and Creel as close RU, would be surprise to see others winning. I think this year's Oscars have ruined me, because after the biggest front runner in a decade lost Best Picture, I find it hard to believe anything/anyone is a 100% lock or a given. You do know Anastasia is still open? (And selling very well). And whilst you're right about there usually being a lack of winners in barely-nominated shows, I think that's more of a coincidence than anything else as the Tony nominating committee is a separate (and much smaller) group of people from those that vote for the winners. I would be surprised to see Peil win, but not outright shocked. If I were to bet money, I'd probably agree with the four winners you list. I'm very unsure on Creel vs. Steele, mostly because I haven't been able to see Creel's performance so I have no idea how much the love for him is down to performance versus goodwill for him as a longstanding member of the Broadway community. The ''closed show'' that I was referring was ''Falsettos'' to a possible win from Block being ''unlikely''. I don't think it's a coincidence that barely nominated shows almost never wins anything, I really doubt the theater community is keen to Anastasia for example. And yes, I know the difference between the committee that nominated and the whole bunch of voters total, but as it happens at the Oscars, they will likely will spread the votes and give the most nominated shows one award here and another award there and and that when Steele and Colella, for example, have a real shot at win because they are both the most likely choices to ''big award'' from two beloved shows, and so on. |
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Post by madsonmelo on Jun 10, 2017 0:03:41 GMT
Beth Peil and Colella didn't deserve the nominations above the Comet ladies, have not seen Baldwin.
At first I thought that one of them would bump the other in a Gentleman's Guide style, but when both got snubbed I was really upset.
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Post by ali973 on Jun 10, 2017 1:09:28 GMT
There was something quite striking about Mary Beth Peil. I also think it's the committee's honoring her and her work in the theatre- I am certain this will be her last musical. As I've said before, I also think that her nomination adds a diversity to the lineup. Supporting wise, Coella and Baldwin are 42 and Block is 44, which makes them all the same age.
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Post by ali973 on Jun 10, 2017 3:46:25 GMT
Just watched Theatre Talk with Michael Reidel and his sidekick, as well as a panel of New York Times and New York Post critics. Firstly, I love how everyone thought Come From Away is a mediocre show- I'm glad I'm not alone in this. Secondly, I'm bitter sweet about Michael's predictions, though I'd rather go with this. He says that Best Musical will be Come From Away, and Best Actor will be Andy Karl. As I type this, I thought that this would be impossible because this completely leaves out Dear Evan Hansen, which will not happen. I think best scenario would be Best Musical for Hansen and Best Actor For Karl. I just want some recognition for Groundhog Day, which I think is by far more superior than Come From Away and Dear Evan Hansen.
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Post by Mark on Jun 10, 2017 9:04:09 GMT
Beth Peil and Colella didn't deserve the nominations above the Comet ladies, have not seen Baldwin. At first I thought that one of them would bump the other in a Gentleman's Guide style, but when both got snubbed I was really upset. I think Colella could actually win, she's rest and there's a lot of love for her performance. She's made.a more memorable impact on me than any of the featured comet ladies. |
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Post by ali973 on Jun 10, 2017 9:13:33 GMT
She's also been campaigning like hell. I think Come From Away will either win Best Musical or earn Colella her first Tony. I doubt it will get both.
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 10, 2017 13:34:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 13:56:42 GMT
Final predictions. Basing my should wins on both what I've seen and what I've heard.
BEST ORCHESTRATIONS
Will win: Dave Malloy, Natasha, Pierre & The Great Comet of 1812
Could win: Larry Hochman, Hello, Dolly!
Should win: Dave Malloy, Natasha, Pierre & The Great Comet of 1812
BEST CHOREOGRAPHY
Will win: Sam Pinkleton, Natasha, Pierre & The Great Comet of 1812
Could win: Andy Blankenbuehler, Bandstand
Should win: Sam Pinkleton, Natasha, Pierre & The Great Comet of 1812
BEST DIRECTION OF A MUSICAL
Will win: Rachel Chavkin, Natasha, Pierre & The Great Comet of 1812
Could win: Michael Greif, Dear Evan Hansen
Should win: Rachel Chavkin, Natasha, Pierre & The Great Comet of 1812
BEST DIRECTION OF A PLAY
Will win: Bartlett Sher, Oslo
Could win: Rebecca Taichman, Indecent
BEST LIGHTING DESIGN OF A MUSICAL
Will win: Bradley King, Natasha, Pierre & The Great Comet of 1812
Could win: Japhy Weideman, Dear Evan Hansen
Should win: Bradley King, Natasha, Pierre & The Great Comet of 1812
BEST LIGHTING DESIGN OF A PLAY
Will win: Christopher Akerlind, Indecent
Could win: Donald Holder, Oslo
BEST COSTUME DESIGN OF A MUSICAL
Will win: Paloma Young, Natasha, Pierre & The Great Comet of 1812
Could win: Catherine Zuber, War Paint
Should win: Linda Cho, Anastasia
BEST COSTUME DESIGN OF A PLAY
Will win: Jane Greenwood, Lillian Hellman's The Little Foxes
Could win: Susan Hilferty, Present Laughter
BEST SCENIC DESIGN OF A MUSICAL
Will win: Mimi Lien, Natasha, Pierre & The Great Comet of 1812
Could win: Santo Loquasto, Hello, Dolly!
Should win: Mimi Lien, Natasha, Pierre & The Great Comet of 1812
BEST SCENIC DESIGN OF A PLAY
Will win: Nigel Hook, The Play That Goes Wrong
Could win: Douglas W. Schmidt, The Front Page
BEST ORIGINAL SCORE (MUSIC AND/OR LYRICS) WRITTEN FOR THE THEATRE
Will win: Benj Pasek & Justin Paul, Dear Evan Hansen
Could win: Dave Malloy, Natasha, Pierre & The Great Comet of 1812
Should win: Dave Malloy, Natasha, Pierre & The Great Comet of 1812
Should have been nominated: Lynn Ahrens & Stephen Flaherty, Anastasia
BEST BOOK OF A MUSICAL
Will win: Irene Sankoff & David Hein, Come From Away
Could win: Steven Levenson, Dear Evan Hansen
Should win: Irene Sankoff & David Hein, Come From Away
BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTRESS IN A FEATURED ROLE IN A MUSICAL
Will win: Rachel Bay Jones, Dear Evan Hansen
Could win: Jen Colella, Come From Away
Should win: Mary Beth Peil, Anastasia
Should have been nominated: Brittain Ashford, Natasha, Pierre & The Great Comet of 1812
BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTOR IN A FEATURED ROLE IN A MUSICAL
Will win: Gavin Creel, Hello, Dolly!
Could win: Lucas Steele, Natasha, Pierre & The Great Comet of 1812
Should win: Lucas Steele, Natasha, Pierre & The Great Comet of 1812
Should have been nominated: John Bolton, Anastasia
BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTRESS IN A FEATURED ROLE IN A PLAY
Will win: Cynthia Nixon, Lillian Hellman's The Little Foxes
Could win: Johanna Day, Sweat
BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTOR IN A FEATURED ROLE IN A PLAY
Will win: Danny DeVito, Arthur Miller's The Price
Could win: John Douglas Thompson, August Wilson's Jitney
BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTRESS IN A LEADING ROLE IN A MUSICAL
Will win: Bette Midler, Hello, Dolly!
Could win: Patti LuPone, War Paint
Should win: Bette Midler, Hello, Dolly!
Should have been nominated: Christy Altomare, Anastasia; Phillipa Soo, Amélie
BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTOR IN A LEADING ROLE IN A MUSICAL
Will win: Ben Platt, Dear Evan Hansen
Could win: Andy Karl, Groundhog Day
Should win: Andy Karl, Groundhog Day
Should have been nominated: Jon Jon Briones, Miss Saigon
BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTRESS IN A LEADING ROLE IN A PLAY
Will win: Laurie Metcalf, A Doll's House, Part 2
Could win: Laura Linney, Lillian Hellman's The Little Foxes
BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTOR IN A LEADING ROLE IN A PLAY
Will win: Kevin Kline, Present Laughter
Could win: Corey Hawkins, John Guare's Six Degrees of Separation
BEST REVIVAL OF A MUSICAL
Will win: Hello, Dolly!
Could win: Falsettos
Should win: Hello, Dolly!
BEST REVIVAL OF A PLAY
Will win: August Wilson's Jitney
Could win: Lillian Hellman's The Little Foxes
BEST MUSICAL
Will win: Dear Evan Hansen
Could win: Come From Away
Should win: Natasha, Pierre & The Great Comet of 1812
Should have been nominated: Anastasia
BEST PLAY
Will win: Oslo
Could win: A Doll's House, Part 2
Natasha, Pierre & The Great Comet of 1812 - 6
Dear Evan Hansen - 4
Hello, Dolly! - 3
Lillian Hellman's The Little Foxes - 2
Oslo - 2
Arthur Miller's The Price - 1
August Wilson's Jitney - 1
Come From Away - 1
A Doll's House, Part 2 - 1
Indecent - 1
The Play That Goes Wrong - 1
Present Laughter - 1
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 17:31:36 GMT
Has anyone been watching the Broadwsy.com First Time Tony Winner edition? Pati LuPone has jo chill haha, "who did you think would win that year?", "me!". She also says she thought Eva was the hardest role to come along in a decade. Least she is honest!
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Post by ali973 on Jun 10, 2017 17:42:52 GMT
LuPone give me life. In her recent Showpeople interview, Paul says that Helena's paintings in War Paint have been LuPoneified. She interjects and says no, not they haven't. They are exact replicas of Helena's collection.
Fast forward to David Korins' interview on the War Paint's official channel, where one of the segments is about Helena's paintings and have they superimposed LuPone's portraits and blended them in with the originals. As he explains, the video shows us the process in the design studio where the LuPonification happens.
She is every communication manager's worse nightmare, and I love it.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Jun 10, 2017 18:21:38 GMT
I am more of a Christine Ebersole guy myself
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 14:02:27 GMT
Will anyone be staying up to watch the awards live tonight?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 14:06:10 GMT
Not planning on it, but then I wasn't planning on staying up for the election either. Any tips on how to internationally tune in? If, say, I get like insomnia or something?  |
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Post by ali973 on Jun 11, 2017 14:13:08 GMT
I normally watch things after they air, and there are tons of sites that would have these things up. But does anyone know where we can stream this live?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 14:15:47 GMT
I don't think there's any legal way. Illegally, just search for a CBS live stream. I'll be staying up, never risking not watching live again after this year's Oscars.
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Post by ali973 on Jun 11, 2017 14:19:17 GMT
I'm not one that is obsessed with legal media practices  |
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